Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Tom Sharples
For a complete system, these guys are the best IMO: http://www.sunwize.com/ Robert Damrau Reno, Nevada; Tel: 775-969-3131 What you need should be around $2K assembled. You can build your own from scratch for maybe $1200, but if e.g the solar cell or charger goes bad, it's all on you. Tom S.

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Greg Ihnen
Check out Sunwize http://sunwize.com/. They're one of the places I've purchased from. They can engineer the system for you, sell you everything you need even the wire and junction boxes, and their prices are good. I have no financial interest in recommending them. Greg On 8/24/09 11:39 PM,

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread eje
Tyconpower is one alternative. It's a product by Scott Parsons (founder of Pacific Wireless). Scott is on the list and might chime up. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:55:00 To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Google Earth Census Tract

2009-08-25 Thread Vickie Edwards
Finally catching up on my list messages, and saw that there was another thread about this as well. The shapefiles provided by the Census Bureau CAN be imported into Google Earth on a county-by-county basis. Not sure exactly HOW, because I'm not the one who personally imported them, but it can

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Mike
I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels, their $49.00 charge controller, a deep cycle marine battery from Walmart and built my own. So far, the fully charged light comes on every day. The battery should run my two radio repeater for more than a week. Might not be the club

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Hi Marlon, Solar isn't that hard we just need to look at a details to figure out what is required and move on from

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Steve Barnes
Let me get this right, You said; I have a site with 1 starOS, 3 MT with 4 radios (total), 2 alvarion vl, 1 trango 5830, 1 SB ap, Cisco 16 port managed switch and an Airaya backhaul. According to the digital logger at the site I'm pulling a total of about 1.8 amps. Then; This will only service

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Thanks for all of the advice Scott! Do I understand correctly that you can NOT sell this to me because you specialize in even smaller systems? thanks again, marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Parsons sc...@e-zy.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Cc: 'Principal WISPA

Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
H. Note to self. Build good mounts, but make them so that they collapse in high winds instead of breaking. Thanks for the tip Bill! marlon - Original Message - From: Bill Prince part...@skylinebroadbandservice.com To: Principal WISPA Member List w...@wispa.org Cc: 'WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Are you really saying that less than 500 bucks will build a solar system good enough for our radios these days? Dude, if that's true I can open up a LOT more doors! marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Paul Rice
Hey Marlon is that 1.8 amps at 120VAC or 1.8 amps at 12VDC? volts x amps = watts the precise nominal and max watts that is the real factor determining the size of the power system needed the difference is 25 watts or 250 watts :) CostCo has a solar panel + charger + frame that would work for

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
There is when the customer is buying all of the equipment I can afford to maintain it. Like it or not, that's a LOT of what my areas is made up of. Little pockets of customers here and there. It's taken us roughly 20 tower sites to service a little over 600 subs! And 3 of the sites

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Oops, I missed part of what you said. I was trying to show how little power the gear actually uses. That's one of my main sites. The NEW one will only have 5 or so subs. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread AJ
Note to sell - NEVER EVER use radiator clamps to hold steel L beam brackets to a Trylon steel tower leg... Microburst winds snapped the brackets right off the tower, shattering the panel... Hard lesson learned :( On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote:

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Jerry Richardson
Uh oh. So what do you use? Regular U bolt clamps? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Note to sell - NEVER EVER use

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread AJ
You engineer a fold down bracket with sheer pins for the designed hinge point but grade 8 hardware for most anything else. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Uh oh. So what do you use? Regular U bolt clamps? -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
120 - Original Message - From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site Hey Marlon is that 1.8 amps at 120VAC or 1.8 amps at 12VDC? volts x amps = watts the

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Paul Rice
Yikes, that is daunting. Is that the site your putting in, or your example site? -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar site

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Paul Rice
I'd recommend you use either a unmanaged or managed industrial DC powered switch 12-20 vdc otherwise your going to need a LOT of solar panels (650 watts is what my calcs came up with) In fact eliminate all 120 AC from your outdoor install for the best results to save money on smaller solar

Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Scott Parsons
Yeah, We don't have the higher capacity yet. For instance our largest panel is 30W right now and our largest controller is 5A. You could use 3 30W panels and 2 5A controllers but I wouldn't suggest that because it's too costly. Next year will be a different story :-) Regards, Scott

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Just an example of how little power we really need. I guess I'm too used to those 500 horse power irrigation pumps we use. marlon - Original Message - From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:09 AM

[WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660

2009-08-25 Thread Doug Ratcliffe
Has anyone used the Engenius EAP-3660 (600mW / 4dbi Smoke Detector style AP) in a hotel/motel environment? Any word on coverage, etc? Will they run open-mesh? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Chuck Profito
Our solar site has 2 deep cycle marine batteries in series running everything at 24 volts with no inverter. It lasts more than a week, closer to two I think, running 2 star boards w/ two radios each. We don't have temp problems so we just put batteries and injectors in a water heater stand.

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Mike
I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00. I ordered some and they work great. You need a charge controller, $45.00 to keep the batteries from over charging. You have to get creative with uni-strut and angle iron to make your own mount, or buy them. Batteries are the

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Mike Hammett
Indeed. AC/DC conversions lose 20% each way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Paul Rice paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First

2009-08-25 Thread Forbes Mercy
I have to agree here, I've done more tower climbs alone than I should. Every time I do I'm filled with the feeling that if I fall no one will know until someone comes looking at my remote tower site the next day or so. We all look at OSHA sometimes and think of them as more revenue officers than

Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660

2009-08-25 Thread Josh Luthman
If you aren't using them already I can only suggest one thing. Ruuun! My experience hasn't been very good (though I will admit not horrible) with the Engenius data products. They do not last long at all (weeks/months - really lucky to get years) outdoors and the indoors do not seem to be

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Here is the setup that we recently did for a combination solar/wind powered site. This is a StarOS site, X4000 board with four Mikrotik R52H cards in it. One is 5ghz backhaul, two are for APs and the third card is a spare. 2 60 watt solar panels solar charge controller air-x wind

[WISPA] Location agreement

2009-08-25 Thread Mike
I am going to plant a 60 foot pole on a fellow's farm. The plan is to light up a river valley which can't get fast Internet. Does anyone have a friendly agreement they've used and would share? Thanks, Mike

Re: [WISPA] Location agreement

2009-08-25 Thread Jason Hensley
This is an friendly one we did with another company that let us colo a tower on their place. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Location

[WISPA] EUM 3004/3005

2009-08-25 Thread chris cooper
Im looking to pick up some waverider eum. 3004/3005 only. Hit me offlist if you have any to sell. Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Tower sighting

2009-08-25 Thread Mike
I probably shouldn't admit this but I think I discovered a novel way to find a tower from a distance without using balloons or kites. We put one of those small two bulb rotating 12V emergency lights atop our 180' Rohn 9N this weekend. I had some spare CAT5 already up the tower so split it

Re: [WISPA] Location agreement

2009-08-25 Thread Jason Hensley
Oops, didn't mean to post that to the list. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Location agreement This is an friendly

Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First

2009-08-25 Thread D. Ryan Spott
I think IIFSTA and the NFPA (while gathering lots of $$) helped quite a bit more than OSHA. :) ryan Forbes Mercy wrote: I have to agree here, I've done more tower climbs alone than I should. Every time I do I'm filled with the feeling that if I fall no one will know until someone comes

Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First

2009-08-25 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Never climb alone. Even if you do 100% tie off. A slip and fall and you could hit your head and be hanging upside down. If you use right equipment you are not going to slip out of your harness BUT Hanging upside down for any longer period of time is fatal. Always have someone on the ground

Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660

2009-08-25 Thread Eje Gustafsson
The EAP-3660 is not EOL'd at least they have not let us know and we generally are the first one to know as soon as they make their decision. I played and used the EAP-3660 and it's a pretty nifty cool product. Only run it for a few months so far so good no issues what so ever. The firmware can

Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660

2009-08-25 Thread Josh Luthman
I was referring to the other Engenius products as far as my experience. Never used that particular model, keep in mind. Just 5 or 6 other models. On 8/25/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: The EAP-3660 is not EOL'd at least they have not let us know and we generally are the first

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread ralph
I was going to ask about this. Harbor freight has a set of 3 on sale for 199 with controller and a few other goodies. I keep meaning to go get some before they go off sale again (I may be too late already) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First

2009-08-25 Thread ralph
Funny you should mention that. Another WISP I know just got nailed today by OSHA for not having the harness on in the bucket. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Scottie Arnett
Interesting. What radios are you powering this with? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:50:14 -0500 I bought two of the Northern Tool $79.00 15 watt panels,

[WISPA] a better bit-torrent?

2009-08-25 Thread RickG
Maybe that sucking sound you hear from your network will get better? http://torrentfreak.com/isp-friendly-bittorrent-tracker-doubles-download-speeds-090823/ -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread RickG
Are you running ac/dc transformers? -RickG On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Chuck Profitocprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Our solar site has 2 deep cycle marine batteries in series running everything at 24 volts with no inverter. It lasts more than a week, closer to two I think, running 2 star

Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread John Thomas
Is there any reason you can't mount the panels close to the ground? In Nevada, this is common practice. Can you setup a small windmill? Home Depot has these ( as do many other suppliers)

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread John Thomas
Absolutely, 12, 24, or 48 volts depending on what you are trying to do. John Paul Rice wrote: I'd recommend you use either a unmanaged or managed industrial DC powered switch 12-20 vdc otherwise your going to need a LOT of solar panels (650 watts is what my calcs came up with) In fact

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread John Thomas
It looks like there is a sweet spot at 60 watts http://www.solarhome.org/51-60wattsolarpanels.aspx About $250 each. John Mike wrote: I was shocked to find the 15W panels at Northern for $79.00. I ordered some and they work great. You need a charge controller, $45.00 to keep the

[WISPA] U.K. says illegal downloaders may lose Web access

2009-08-25 Thread Scottie Arnett
Interesting turn on copyright material downloader's outside the US are downloading. Funny, I am just guessing, but I would bet that the US has more copyright material being downloaded than either France or U.K. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as

Re: [WISPA] U.K. says illegal downloaders may lose Web access

2009-08-25 Thread Scottie Arnett
OOps. forgot link: http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-UK-illegal-downloaders-Web-access-082509.aspx -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Reply-To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009

Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660

2009-08-25 Thread Scottie Arnett
My experience with Engenius products in an outdoor environment with an enclosure is that when lightning gets ANYWHERE around...it either hits it totaling it out, or it wipes out the config. Both require a truck roll. Scottie -- Original Message -- From:

Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660

2009-08-25 Thread Josh Luthman
Never had one default, not one. Had maybe up to 100 now just stop working. Doesn't work on assigned IP nor the default. On 8/25/09, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: My experience with Engenius products in an outdoor environment with an enclosure is that when lightning gets ANYWHERE

[WISPA] OT: Hotspot companies.

2009-08-25 Thread Scottie Arnett
I was just going through an old Linksys AP running DD-WRT and looking at their Hotspot portal companies. I see Sputnik, Wifidog, and Chillispot. Are any of these companies still going? What do they charge? Can we do this on our own, with Linux type stuff? I have a few remote clients that I am

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Mike
This particular setup is mounted to a 4 x 6 x 4 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer. I painted it bright white and added my logo and on one side Solar Powered Wireless. I park it at events and provide free WiFi. I park it downtown every Friday for Farmers Market and the name recognition has been

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread ralph
That sounds like great public service and a way to get recognized too! If you want to see something that really gets attention, have a look at my site survey/portable AP rig. http://ralphfowler.com I have been reluctant to put signs on it though, for obvious reasons. (people already think I am

Re: [WISPA] OT: Hotspot companies.

2009-08-25 Thread ralph
Our entire network is run as a hotspot. Eliminates billing entirely. Every month the regulars just pay online. Sputnik (and I think WiFiDog) are outfits that will take a part of your $$ for doing very little. Chilispot is gone, but the Chili software has been reincarnated as Coova-Chili (which

Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660

2009-08-25 Thread ccrum
Yep, but if you line the enclosure with foil tape or put it in a metal enclosure, the problem goes away. I deployed several hundred of these about 6 years ago and still have a lot in the field. As they would lose config, I took a roll of aluminum tape with me and lined the plastic boxes with

Re: [WISPA] solar site

2009-08-25 Thread Steve
Here is another one to check out: http://www.alpha.com. They are here in Bellingham, Washington. They were recommended to us by BelAir. I talked to them a few times, then our opportunity to use solar went away, at least for now. Steve Hansen Tom Sharples wrote: For a complete system,