Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yeah it does, as long as there aren't three 500W 930Mhz paging vert pol Omnis next to your radios. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tim Edwards t...@telescience.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Processor Load

2009-09-02 Thread Scott Reed
I checked all of this before posting. That is the reason for the original question about how to see processor load. I was hoping someone would know that Mikrotik had provided something like top (for Linux) or Task Manager (for Windows) that shows the processes using the processor. Would

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Processor Load

2009-09-02 Thread eje
Their isn't any way to see the processes running on a MikroTik unit. If you have run away cpu load. Create a supout.rif file and send it to MikroTik support and they can figure it out. The supout.rif contains info I understand about running processes but they are the only ones that have the

Re: [WISPA] 5.8ghz PTP

2009-09-02 Thread 3-dB Networks
Radwin 2000... plus its quad-band (2.4GHz, 5.3GHz, 5.4GHz, 5.8GHz) and DFS compliant... and under $5k Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of c...@midcoast.com Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Processor Load

2009-09-02 Thread Mike
Couldn't you run a bridge computer with something like Untangle running to see what the traffic contains at the tower site? I've never run Untangle, but have considered setting up such a device to put at a troublesome node for analysis. Thoughts? Mike At 07:41 AM 9/2/2009, you wrote: Their

[WISPA] Mountaintop Propane...

2009-09-02 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Hello, While this is not necessarily a WISP issue, I would like to lean on the experience of the WISPs and wireless operators on these lists. I am building a new repeater site on the top of a 4K foot peak. I have my solar worked out and I am augmenting it with a TEG. The TEG burns propane and

Re: [WISPA] Mountaintop Propane...

2009-09-02 Thread Jory Privett
You can purchase a one way vavle for this type of setup. You shoudl be able to get it from the local propane seller or maybe an RV supply. Place it at the top between your fill line and the tank. If the pipe does break for some reason the only gas that will be lost is what is in the

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Processor Load

2009-09-02 Thread Scott Reed
Thanks Eje. If it looks like it is really a problem I will send them the file. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Their isn't any way to see the processes running on a MikroTik unit. If you have run away cpu load. Create a supout.rif file and send it to MikroTik support and they can figure it

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Robert West
Why horizontal polarity? Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do what I'm not supposed to do. But, also as my luck runs, the opposite of what I try first will work So it actually won't matter what I do including

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Using horizontal polarity helps avoid interference from vertical polarity. From what I read/experience a 25db difference. For example, my MT AP is hpol. On a customer site with nice clean LOS was getting -85, weaksauce. I went down, turned it 90 and back up to get -60. Someone built that one

Re: [WISPA] Mountaintop Propane...

2009-09-02 Thread Chuck Profito
Ryan, I know very little about this but in the Sierra's during high snow fall years, people without a high load protective roof above their tanks almost always have tank leaks and explosions due to the weight of snow breaking the regulator and or copper pigtail. On a slope I guess you would also

Re: [WISPA] 5.8ghz PTP

2009-09-02 Thread Randy Cosby
Cam, Are you using WDS for the link? I hear (and we're going to experiment today if I have some time) that WDS on 802.11N doesn't work full speed, but that you can set up a normal bridge / station link and run mpls across is much more efficiently. I do also have a Radwin in the air for a

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread RickG
But look at all the experience you are gaining :) On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes to 900mhz and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works until I do what I'm not

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Paul Rice
Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx 13 inches long -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz

[WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-02 Thread Mark Nash
It appears that only SOME of the Ubiquiti products enable compression fast frames, some don't. Is this accurate? Any success stories using the WRT firmware on these products? It seems that the hardware is capable, just hasn't been enabled in the firmware unless you purchase the higher end,

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-02 Thread Jayson Baker
I believe the processor is different between something like a NanoStation 5 (no SuperAG) and PowerStation 5 (Super AG). I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it. We have absolutely no problems with the UBNT equipment. Install it, and forget it. Jayson On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM,

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-02 Thread Mark Nash
I have no doubt that the equipment is good. My specific question was about the equipment and whether or not it's a software or hardware thing. I've heard that you can load Open WRT on it and then you get those features. Fast Frames and Compression are what give us the performance increase per

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-02 Thread ralph
I know that with DDWRT, you have to pay for the license and you get a key. Not sure about OpenWRT. I don't recall any current UBNT I have used that did not support ff and comp. I have used most, except for the newest that just came out. Ralph -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread ralph
And the fact that most interference sources are vertical! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Rice Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Folks like

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Paul Rice
yep excellent point -- From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question And the fact that most interference sources are vertical!

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread ralph
Oh- you must be using Ligowave (ducking) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM To: t...@telescience.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Why

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Well now that's not very nice On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 14:43 -0400, ralph wrote: Oh- you must be using Ligowave (ducking) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:37 AM

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Paul Rice
Hey Harold. Good to see you on this list. -- From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Well now that's not very nice

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Robert West
Exactly! But the wife never listens to that explanation of why I have to redo it again after the fourth or fifth time. Never let someone tell you it can’t be done because even out of failure lessons are learned. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Robert West
It's not the size of the wave cycle, it's how you use it. Or something like that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Rice Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread richard sterne
But does not practice make perfect Richard 2009/9/2 Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com It's not the size of the wave cycle, it's how you use it. Or something like that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-02 Thread Mark Nash
According to Ubiquiti, these DO support ff comp: Nanostation 5 Nanostation Loco 5 Bullet 2 HP Picostation 2 HP All powerstations All others do not, including: Nanostation 2 Nanostation Loco 2 Bullet 2 (non-HP...WTF???) Bullet5 Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Tom DeReggi
Bob, no matter what I do it will never work the first time LOL, but actually you hit the nail on the head on that comment. No one can conculsively predict an unknown environment. The odds are 50/50 one will guess right. In my mind thats the biggest advantage of Dual Pol sectors for towers,

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread ralph
I figured I would wake you up lol -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question Well now that's not very nice

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti CPEs - SuperAG

2009-09-02 Thread RickG
Mark, It appears that is correct. I also run StarOS AP's. Interesting though, I have not seen any performance differences between the units with ff comp and those that dont support it. I wonder if its just something you cant view? -RickG On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Mark

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread RickG
The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul Ricepaul.r...@boomerang-networks.com wrote: Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx 13 inches long -- From: RickG

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread RickG
I've got two customers on a 900MHz AP RB-433/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10, with a 13db v-pol omni. Customer 1 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10, with a 18db grid. 1 mile of solid trees. Signal is -85. Noise floor = -102. Customer 2 has RB-411/XR9 running Mikrotik 3.10 with a 15db yagi. 1/4 mile

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread RickG
LOL, I can identify! -RickG On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Exactly!  But the wife never listens to that explanation of why I have to redo it again after the fourth or fifth time. Never let someone tell you it can’t be done because even out of

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread RickG
Size matters :) On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: It's not the size of the wave cycle, it's how you use it.  Or something like that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Paul Rice
same size. The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to the orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side. 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle). -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September

[WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-02 Thread John J. Thomas
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread RickG
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul Ricepaul.r...@boomerang-networks.com wrote: Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle approx 13 inches long I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified horizontal. I guess you might have said Folks like 900 MHz due to the

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Obama Man can... http://www.youtube.com/v/zhhkF3dqXR0 Can't wait for 2012 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-02 Thread RickG
He'll have to pry my radios from my cold, dead fingers! What I cant figure out is why we are giving this guy so much power? At any rate, the comments are interesting: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/28/senate-president-emergency-control-internet/comments/ -RickG On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at

Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question

2009-09-02 Thread Paul Rice
heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is trying to give him power to due? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Actually Internet wasn't really made for anything. If you want to tie it to any one thing, commercial purposes was the primary focus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-02 Thread Frank
Exactly! One of the best reasons to have the Internet is to hack (with free speech) the government. Frank -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:02 PM Wasn't the internet made for the exact opposite of what this bill is trying to give him power

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-02 Thread Robert West
I thought it was to watch funny cat videos on YouTube. Have I been wrong on this??? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate

Re: [WISPA] Senate Bill

2009-09-02 Thread Josh Luthman
For the last couple of years, that's how it has been. Took us more then a decade getting everything prepared for the lolcats though! On 9/3/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I thought it was to watch funny cat videos on YouTube. Have I been wrong on this??? -Original