Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40

2009-10-17 Thread Mike
One particular farmer I dealt with had a similar experience. He had a 900 Mhz panel on his machine shed from a competitor (actually my upstream) They sold the boxes to this fellow with no regard to what it was going to do to existing 900 MHz gear. Well he called me and told me his Internet

[WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Phil Curnutt
We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik? I have been really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
Josh, What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Scott Carullo
17 miles at 30MB on 20Mhz channel Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Phil Curnutt
We have looked at Mikrotik in the pass as an AP, but the learning curve is to steep for our volunteer organization. Phil On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh, What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput? Bob-

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Several are right around 7 miles. Through put well exceeds what I need (3 megs tops) so I have never checked on it. Currently they're running 20mhz channels and the bandwidth test shows 15 megs aggregate. RSSI is -78 and it is running WDS (which eats bandwidth). These links were the Airmux's I

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
Not bad for the price of the equipment. What antenna are you putting that through? Have you tried any of the N cards in a backhaul yet? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Josh Luthman
ARC kits http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= They LOOK LIKE this picture http://quicklinkwireless.com/mmQUICK/Images/KIT-58-23A-R52H.jpg Decent CPE devices too, though costly. The arm is a bit short so it can't turn all the way in 1/5 installs. Throw a pipe

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 11:05 -0400, Robert West wrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. I have done this several times. See this blog

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Josh Luthman
On price...it probably can't be beaten. $400 bucks to move 15 to 30 megs is a nice feeling. On quality...30 megs per 20mhz of precious precious spectrum? MT uses cat5 up the tower so you can upgrade to AN80s later. Not sure about the Motorola PTP, Ligowave, etc products. Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
Thanks, Butch. There is much value in your experience. I'll look it over and will certainly ask some questions if they decide to do this. Thanks again. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right

2009-10-17 Thread RickG
I want a car, a boat, an rv, a 2nd home, what else? You get it all! But wait, there's more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four -rickg On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yeah.  A legal right.  In that case, I ground my son from that damn

Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells

2009-10-17 Thread RickG
Jack, didnt you say this is not the place for this? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to

Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells

2009-10-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Friday morning sales... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:33 PM, RickG

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Jayson Baker
We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system,

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread 3-dB Networks
You might want to check out the Radwin 2000 also... it's probably going to cost a bit more, but I have at least one customer that is ripping out Ligowave links and replacing them with Radwin... he claims to be doubling their throughput. I'd be happy to provide quotes offlist :-D Daniel White

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread lakeland
Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up to the National Crime Computers. A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and crime networks Just FYI -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Blake Bowers
Regardless of the technical side, I would urge you before spending any money or time - contact the AG's office or whoever is the TAC for NCIC in Ohio. While OHLEG does have an internet portal, when you go to the other data centers such as LEADS or NCIC your transport options begin to disappear,

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread Gino Villarini
Is he Selling the ligo stuff? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:50 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: You might want to check out the Radwin 2000 also... it's probably going to cost a bit more, but I have at least one customer that is ripping out Ligowave links

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread lakeland
You did not expect me to type all that from a Blackberry did you? LOL Thanks Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:59:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police

Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul

2009-10-17 Thread 3-dB Networks
Redeploying for customer point to point links for now... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Josh, It kind of depends where you live, just like it does for any 3G service. Where I personally live, ATT's 3G service is excellent. I switched from Verizon and have better coverage and better performance. I'm sure the reverse is true in other areas...but you really cannot legitimately

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Josh Luthman
West Bend Wisconson St Louis MO Chicago IL Top Sail Beach NC All the way up and down I75 in Ohio Not one of these places has a solid ATT 3G service. Neither using the PC Express Card nor the integrated Sierra modem. I have had what I consider bad service all around, which is why I said what I

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Scott Carullo
I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Who makes 4.9 gear and what would you need in the police cruiser? On 10/17/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread 3-dB Networks
Not for mobility it won't. 4.9GHz is great for point to point or point to multipoint... but if you want mobility... your back to a 4.9GHz mesh to make it work reliably. There is an alvarion 900MHz system that alvarion claims will work from one tower in a situation like this... but without having

Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
I understand the need for not having postings of for sale items, you can easily get 90% of all postings being that but we should have possibly a separate list of wanted and for sale items or maybe even just a page to post them on that gets wiped after 30 days? Members of the list only, of course,

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread 3-dB Networks
What type of 4.9GHz gear... point to point, point to multipoint, mesh? Motorola makes 4.9GHz gear for all of those applications... Proxim has it for point to point and point to multipoint... I think Firetide has 4.9GHz Mesh... Redline has a point to point radio I believe... Daniel White 3-dB

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
What about the air card? I would assume that the aircard service fee isn't being paid by the state? That would be the ideal situation but this town Very political. I know there would be a fight over who had access to it and when and anything else they could fight over. But I;; write that

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
Then you should sue them for a violation of your god given broadband rights as a human being! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
So the cops could be watching You Porn while driving at 144mph? That's a very good selling point that could sway some departments. I personally like the Cellular option. The infrastructure is already in place for the most part, just tie into office system with a VPN and a firewall and they

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 11:45 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service I have done this MANY times without cellular and without mesh. Cellular is too expensive and WAY too slow to be really very useful. Mesh

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Scott Carullo
You must think the wireless carriers defy physics is you don't believe you can deploy any solution yourself that can't go over 30MPH. Why would your 4.9 not work over 30MPH. Put one good set of equipment on a tall tower with no noise and you are home free. Actually I'd put two sets on the

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread 3-dB Networks
I agree 100% that cellular is the best option for case like this :-D But if you need watch Youporn while flying in an Apache helicopter... Motorola has an app for that :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
Yeah, that's the part I was leery of when he asked. I knew there were some sort of safeguards that had to be followed and I'm totally green in that area. We've done a few medical sites that had to be HIPPA compliant and it wasn't such a big deal but I hate messing with the cops. They have other

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Scott Carullo
air cards are a good option as well... usually having them attached to a laptop requires vpn or other encryption software on the laptop which is a bit problematic in real world scenarios ive seen. I would recommend taking air card, plugging it directly into mikrotik router and having mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread 3-dB Networks
What... I never said 4.9GHz doesn't work past 30MPH. I know for a fact it does What I said is that to assume you put a 4.9GHz AP on a tower in the middle of town and that's going to do it is very short sighted. The EIRP rules in 4.9GHz are not great... and physics is going to prevent you from

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread lakeland
Yeah. We would dump this right in their lap and outline that the system is strictly for transporting data. Data security is their responsibility. We do the same thing in the banking and health care industry. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Robert

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
Thanks, Blake, Yeah, I had in my mind to talk to someone at the State side of things since this guy didn't seem to have any clue about what he could and couldn't do. Hey, they're cops, they make it up as they go along.. I just need to be pointed away from the wrong ideas! -Original

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
In my area, South Central Ohio, Verizon, Sprint, ATT all have issues. The latency is all over the place and the ul/dl speeds are inconsistent over the span of even 5 minutes. I have a customer who we were trying to hook up to her office in town from her home in BFE via VPN but it was miserable.

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
And that's what my original thought was. I'm big on the trade and I would love to have full reign of the water tower in exchange for free labor. I could use the thing for a redundant gateway since Time Warner runs right past it and it's in a good spot for backhauling to some outlying grain

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
Aren't there frequencies set aside for law enforcement and other safety services? Hey, I'm a freebie kinds dude, the licensed thing has been what the other people with cash use. However, if they have their own spectrum why not use it? If 4.9 Safety Services? I could look it up but hey, you

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
I hear ya, brother. As I said before, the cops make me nervous anyhow. Especially this guy who gave me a ticket for a crooked license plate. That was an interesting evening to be sure. No matter what they want to do or not do, I'll have to make it clear that it's gonna be a we'll see how it

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
I would guess just one AP on the water tower of Town Hall. The place is all flat, no tall buildings but lots of residential with trees. If he could drive, say, faster than 299,792,458 miles per second, he could probably drive back to the station and answer his own radio call. In that case the

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Robert West
They do? Oh, man, it's a $2.99 download fee from Verizon. Forget that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 15:39 -0400, Robert West wrote: You were watching live streaming video from the cruiser? That's impressive, for sure. While their plan wasn't to build a system where live streaming from every car was a requirement, that is how we chose to demonstrate the successful

Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells

2009-10-17 Thread RickG
Your idea is a fine one. I'm not complaining about Matt's ad. It's just that I got a slap for doing the same. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I understand the need for not having postings of for sale items, you can easily get 90% of all postings

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread RickG
And from there, all the way south down I-75 into Florida... On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: West Bend Wisconson St Louis MO Chicago IL Top Sail Beach NC All the way up and down I75 in Ohio Not one of these places has a solid ATT 3G service.  

Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells

2009-10-17 Thread Chuck Hogg
What happened to the rule that Fridays was an ok for this? The problem stems from people doing it outside of the allotted timeframes. Everybody knows it is going to happen on Friday. I myself wouldn't sign up for a FS/WTB list because I would expect it to be a spam heaven. Regards, Chuck

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread 3-dB Networks
Butch, Cellular isn't that expensive when you're talking a few cars... if you're talking 30 patrol cars... I agree it's expensive. Heck, if the city has a ton of cell phones already they might be able to get the service free. I've heard of cities getting aircard equipment to do network

Re: [WISPA] for sale, oops

2009-10-17 Thread Chuck Profito
Look at the site www.signweb.com then message boards, then the For Sale Maybe our webmaster could do the same... BTW it's a very good place to start looking for bucket trucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert

[WISPA] For sale items - was - DIY Special - Tranzeo shells

2009-10-17 Thread Mike
While not being sure how unbridled for sale posts might get, I second the belief the casual way it has been conducted has been in good taste. Perhaps a Friday only stipulation on a trial basis would suit most members. If it gets excessive, it can be banned -- again. My observation is the

Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser

2009-10-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 20:04 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: but for instance one city I am working with now wants to be able to watch streaming video from security cameras while driving up to 75MPH... that's hard to do without a Mesh IMO. Maybe hard..but not impossible. Is my solution better?