Any benefit of generally using a yagi over a wire grid or vice versa for a
CPE install?
Robert West
Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
740-335-7020
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Is there anyone out there interested in working or non-working units
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Scott Piehn
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I give these away to my competitor.
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
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Bucyrus, OH 44820
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:19 AM
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http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm
Take a look at the antenna patterns in there. A yagi is actually a very
nice antenna. Much better than a grid as far as MOST of the antenna pattern
goes.
I like panels better because they tend to be even better
Marlon do you have a list or single access to all these little articles you
have written. Or do you just hand them out when you find it helpful.
Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of
trial and
And I always suffer from gain envy. Must be why I've always used grids.
Thanks for the info, I only have a few panels but they are 900mhz, thinking
about trying some Arc panels though for 5 and 2.4 to see how they do.
Bob-
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Marlon, one of the reasons I got into this business I curse him every
day. :)
ryan
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
Marlon do you have a list or single access to all these little articles you
have written. Or do
I have been using Arc 19db panels instead of grids recently. I will be
moving that way more.
Only disadvantage I see is with the grids we mount the radio at the
bottom of the TV tower for easy maintenance. With the panels we are
using the integrated enclosure, which is really nice, but the
Just need two.
Greg
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I was looking all over yesterday and the day before. Only found them in
Europe so I gave up. Some UBNT stuff being delivered, from what I hear,
first part of next week, dunno what though. So I'm back ordered on what I
needed and installing bullets and grids till I get it.
Bob-
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Yeah, I'm doing Bullets to tide me over too. But with the bullets there's no
mimo unfortunately.
Sure wish there was an MT offering that had router board and radio (or RB and
integrated radio) with enclosure antenna all for $100 or less. Oh yeah, and it
be in stock more often then out of
I'm with ya. With MT, a 411 is around 50, the card 30 or so, then a mimo
antenna ?? and shipping and you're way past the hundred.
I talked to StreakWave this morning, salesman told me UBNT is making a push
to always be in stock after the first of the year and if that's true, lots
of my stress
Sure they do! 1X Mimo! LOL!
I never understood how you can have 1 of multiple...
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$200 is about my CPE cost limit. I can get an RB411, 24 dBi RooTenna, MT 5
GHz radio, and all supporting equipment for that.
UBNT seems to have a better MIMO\non-802.11 setup than MT, so that's what
I'm planning on going forward... once they come out with a PowerStation M,
that is. No Nanos
Man, If they come out with a PowerStation5 M and it's under 200 bucks, I'm
there in a heartbeat.
Bob-
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Is there any compelling reason to stick with the Bullet as the CPE when the
CPEs are out of stock?
Is the only trade off of using another pmanufacturers product during those
shortage periods just that you pay $30-$50 more diring that period?
There is also a flip side... When CPEs are costing
Just cost, less assembly and config
Greg
On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
Is there any compelling reason to stick with the Bullet as the CPE when the
CPEs are out of stock?
Is the only trade off of using another pmanufacturers product during those
shortage periods just that
Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since
it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used
insulated Cat5. Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's
brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are pinging 1-4ms, it averages
40-50ms and the
Maybe NCR may want to talk...
From CEA SmartBrief today:
NCR will convert newly bought DVDPlay kiosks into its licensed Blockbuster
Express brand name as it continues to challenge Redbox in the quest for
movie lovers' loyalty. While the move isn't huge, as Redbox has 20,000
kiosks while NCR has
On 12/11/2009 2:03 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since
it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used
insulated Cat5. Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's
brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are
Make sure you have the latest firmware on it, also verify your Ethernet
negotiated properly.
Regards
Michael Baird
Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since
it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used
insulated Cat5. Today the pings are
Yes, but he's accessing it via a backhaul which should take the wireless
bits out of this equation, since he can ping the other AP's served by
the same backhauls fine.
Regards
Michael Baird
On 12/11/2009 2:03 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree
I've used lots of MT 411's and enclosure and grid for the CPE and they work
fine but with the Airmax I'm trying to use what I think I will use more of
in the future. If I go to an Airmax AP then only a CPE with Airmax can
connect.
I'd gladly buy much more equipment for shortages but I've been
We just got some rocket5m stock. We needed 2, but ordered 6 because we
never know where/when more might be in stock. It's guys like us that
cause inventory to fluctuate on the demand side. I do hope they improve
in their supply. Until then, the gear is cheap enough that we'll
continue to order
I was thinking earlier today to try using a Rocket5M instead of a Bullet,
use a SMA to N pigtail and see how that works out for us, just using one
side of the Mimo. I'd hate to get too many Bullets as substitutes and then
want to use the full MIMO later down the road. I have enough of the older
Jp said,
I'm pretty much done buying their regular nanostations
Yeah, I was talking to a distributor this morning about how everyone now has
scads of NS2's and they aren't moving. Everyone wants the new versions.
Last year this time we would have been falling all over ourselves for what
I just saw this, found it interesting, not really wireless since it's
wires but thought it to be a darned imaginative process to upgrade copper
to fiber.
http://www.kabel-x.com/
Robert West
Just Micro Digital Services Inc.
740-335-7020
http://odessaoffice.com/wireless/
Look under articles. Most of them are there.
thanks,
marlon
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From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Yagi vs. Grid?
Marlon do you
Tinkering today. I have a PowerStation2 with the panel but the board was
popped due to surge, (my fault, didn't like the 48v power supply I plugged
into it). Was gonna replace the board with a LightStation, never did...
But if I put a 411ah in it with a R2N and used pigtails to convert the MMCX
Hmmm, that is very clever! I wonder how often they run into cases where the
cable is so crushed that it won't turn loose of the old copper.
marlon
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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
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Sent: Friday, December 11,
Hi All,
I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know
the routes to be used etc.
I've got a Garmin Etrex Summit and we've used that with TopoUSA to map the
routes. I can't seem to figure out how to get that data into a format that
others can use to download into
Hmmm, that is very clever! I wonder how often they run into cases where the
cable is so crushed that it won't turn loose of the old copper.
marlon
Or spliced and repaired underground...
Matt
http://www.kabel-x.com/
Your Garmin MapSource software should be able to export to Google
Earth and KML/KMZ format. Then from Google Earth, you can save
and email a KML/KMZ file to others and then they can view in
Google Earth and export to various trail GPS's that support
working with Google Earth KML/KMZ files.
My
From attending an OpenStreetMap lecture, I recommend GPS Babel.
http://www.gpsbabel.org/
Going to Google Earth (KML/KMZ) is a good idea.
-Izzy
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Hi All,
I'm working on a trail system for our local Chamber of Commerce. We know
the routes to be used etc.
I've got
I thought so too. Saw it on that Stop the Cap website. Buckeye Cablevision
in Toledo is trying it out to put fiber to the home. The thing about
Buckeye Cable is, (I used to live there years ago and had them) they use a
dual cable system, as in 2 runs of coax to the home. They had a A/B switch
But to replace an entire 1000' of underground copper with fiber in 3 hours,
that's a heck of a cost savings. Think they would pass that savings along
to us??? Huh??? Is the fiber to the home from the cable providers
comparable to dedicated fiber or is the a considerable difference? If one
of
Yes, that will work if it is the DP version of the Powerstation.
Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Friday,
Is that for real? Reminds me of Google hoax internet technology commercial
about using the sewer lines. It was a NIC you'd connect to your computer then
flush down the toilet. Using dark sewer pipes they provided high speed
internet.
Greg
On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Robert West wrote:
I
http://www.google.com/tisp/
On Dec 11, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Fiber to the Toilet
On 12/11/09, os10ru...@gmail.com os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
Is that for real? Reminds me of Google hoax internet technology commercial
about using the sewer lines. It was a NIC you'd connect to
Yep, it is. May go well then.
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Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Convert PowerStation2 to 411 with MIMO? Slow day.
Yes,
http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx
The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is
not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according
to a new study from Insight Research.
Scottie
Wireless High
You mean the Tisp? Love the Tisp! I tried it but it was all crap.
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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
Is
A MIMO antenna alone is $100 or more. All I've seen is ArcWireless with
dual pol enclosure antenna.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Friday, December
Maybe if it was given to those who are truly interested in providing
broadband, it would be more than enough.
How much more could YOU do, Scottie, if they gave you 100 grand outright? I
bet it would go directly towards the customer.
Now I'm sure that there are plenty of well meaning companies
I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking
Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million
half of the households in the United States.
Somebody is wrong somewhere on these numbers?
and...
Insight Research claims that it takes
That's nuts. No wonder there isn't enough cash. HA!
I don't think I'm charging enough of an install fee after reading that.
Hmm That'll be a $1000.00 install fee please.
Gotta be a whole lotta padding in those numbers.
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I'd expect something similar to happen with such a large beamwidth\low gain.
That's why I won't buy Nanos for CPE. What do I use them for?
non-critical, low distance links.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Technically, yes. In accordance with their terms, who knows, doubtful.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:29 PM
To: 'WISPA
A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going
forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com
Sent:
And that's what I would expect.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Kabel-x ??
Technically, yes. In accordance with their
And that makes sense, however back during the rural electrification days,
they weren't after 200 amp service, just a line and a light bulb made it all
good. Everything after was built on top of that. But one could also argue
that dial-up was the start and this is the additional upgrading.
Word from UBNT, the Rockets can't be used with only 1 chain, as in one
antenna single polarity. Can't turn off chain 2 in the firmware and with no
load it will adversely affect the Rocket. So, of course I still want to
do it but not kill a Rocket. I'm gonna try to see if a dummy load will at
I'm sure the $1,500 per customer figure was total cost for everything
(bandwidth, backhaul, switches, routers, etc.). It seems like a lot,
until you start adding up everything we need to get service to that
customer... AP's, backhaul, towers, routers, switches, UPS's, etc.
Travis
Microserv
The suggestion to convert to Google Earth/Google Maps kml/kmz file
format is probably best. The issue most will have is that different GPS
companies can format the data differently for their particular GPS and even
the same company can format it differently for various models. The Google
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