Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
I don't see LTE being developed for other markets than cellcos Don't expect a LTE system for EBS spectrum Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 30, 2009, at 3:00 AM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Stuart Pierce
Sounds like you gave a choice for the answer, if the government does, then you have, twice. WIMAX equipment cost is the entry block. As broadband needs keep growing, you'll see an increased number of smaller wisp cells using equipment such as UBNT. That is until the government uses your money

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Depends... are you deploying WiMAX for fixed operation or for mobile operation with self install kits, etc. If Fixed... then yes I think it has a future. Professional installs, and better QoS in typically virgin spectrum ='s opportunity. If not... then I don't think a WISP (as we probably

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30,

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Bret Clark
I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while the Porsche race drivers are pretty cool, I find most Porsche "off track" owners to be rather snobbish...but I not sure what any of that has to do with Wimax??? 3-dB Networks wrote: Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas

2009-12-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I don't think you have to register your cpe. The anti competitive nature of that is very clear. Chris Twoomey would know for sure though. marlon - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29,

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Robert West
Maybe one can outrun 802.16e? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I race Corvettes and would take one any day over a Porsche and while

[WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread Robert West
UBNT says it's cool to use the same paint for plastic on their sector radome. Like the Krylon plastic paint? Anyone go this route and has it affected your signal? I can find radome paint on the net but if the Krylon for Plastic from Ace Hardware works the same, would save me some time and cash.

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Its started comparing Motorola up coming Wimax 802.16e MiMO with Ubiquity MIMO Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Bret, If you follow the thread, the corvette was the $89 Ubiquity AP and the Porsche is the $3,500 WiMAX AP. Someone else made the reference, not me. Anyways, the argument is that for $89 your AP is more likely to break so to speak, spend the extra money you get a higher quality product.

Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
I've used spray paint on radomes for licensed links before and Canopy AP's, no problem. Paint will only negatively affect the signal if it has metal in it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread Ryan Spott
To test for metal perform this experiment in a microwave that is not owned by you. (that last part is key!) Spray on paper plate, allow to dry, place in microwave for 10 seconds. Press start. Sparks? There is metal in that there paint. No Sparks? Pretty sure it is free of metal! ryan On Wed,

[WISPA] Freeside import

2009-12-30 Thread ccrum
Sorry to bother everyone again with a freeside question, but has anyone ever successfully imported data using a csv file into freeside? If so, could you hit me off list. Regards, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join

Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread Robert West
Hey, good tip, Ryan! We're used to sparks in the microwave. We do experiments as it is. The kids favorite is making plasma balls with grapes. We have an odd household.. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread Greg Ihnen
I've heard of using the microwave for testing plastics and other materials as well as paint. I've heard that sparks are one thing to look for but another and perhaps equally as important is heat. For example, if you want to make your own radome take a piece of plastic and put it in the

[WISPA] CRM Integration with Platypus

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Anyone integrating a Sales oriented CRM with Plat? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread Ryan Spott
Ever nuked a CD-ROM? The metal gets hot, liquefies the plastic that quickly cools when you press stop. You get some pretty cool lightning bolt patterns. ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Hey, good tip, Ryan!  We're used to sparks in the

Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread Robert West
Yeah. There was a time when we looked forward to getting those AOL discs in the mail. One of the few families who liked getting them -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread Mike Hammett
They make cheap clay pigeons. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-30 Thread Ugo Bellavance
On 2009-12-30 10:31, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Does anyone have any experience with having an attack done on your domain where the sender spoofs the header and then puts your domain in it as the sender. I think this is called a JoeJob and we are getting 1000's of the bounced messages because of

[WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Ugo Bellavance
Hi, We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users. We have a 60mbps pipe from our ISP, but some wise ones are dowloading like crazy, and enabling traffic shaping on the firewall is just of little help. What are you

Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob

2009-12-30 Thread Matt
Does anyone have any experience with having an attack done on your domain where the sender spoofs the header and then puts your domain in it as the sender. I think this is called a JoeJob and we are getting 1000's of the bounced messages because of it and are now having difficulty sending to

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman
What kind of equipment do you have? The best place to limit is the CPE. On 12/30/09, Ugo Bellavance u...@lubik.ca wrote: Hi, We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is allocates more fairly amongst our (~300) users. We have a 60mbps pipe from our ISP, but some

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Philip Dorr
We use an Allot NetEnforcer for bandwidth limiting. We do not do any policy enforcement aka unlimited download/upload at advertised rate. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Ugo Bellavance u...@lubik.ca wrote: Hi,        We are currently looking at a way to make sure the bandwidth is allocates

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Leary
Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz

Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2009-12-30 Thread Ugo Bellavance
On 2009-07-13 20:08, Don Grossman wrote: It seems time to take a look at our anti-spam solution. Currently we are looking to replace out Barracuda due to ongoing issues with the box that after several attempts to work with Barracuda can not be resolved. I tend to use a mix of: -

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Ugo Bellavance
On 2009-12-30 16:28, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of equipment do you have? A firewall, managed switches, Ubiquiti and Skypilot antennas. The best place to limit is the CPE. We don't have CPEs, users simply use their own wireless NICs. We're about to change our access points, though. We

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Ryan Spott
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper will get you started for pennies. Then you can grow from there. ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Ugo Bellavance u...@lubik.ca wrote: On 2009-12-30 16:28, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of equipment do you have? A firewall, managed

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ryan Spott
Unimog. Forget speed, just get there. :) ryan On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it.   Had a lot of fun on the take it home

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Leary
Good point Matt, except for dropping the topand 3x the money! But as a true ragtop lover (I've had 5 over the years), it is hard for me to not have one. Gotta get my vitamin D somehow. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Gino Villarini
For that i have my Nissan Pathfinder Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
Are we still talking about WiMax? Me thinks this thread hath strayed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Brad Belton
I was close to buying a GL550 the other day. Dave Ramsey drives one, so it must be fiscally ok, right? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2009-12-30 Thread Michael Baird
We have a mailfoundry, no failures in the 1.5 years it's served as a gateway, plus no per domain/user fees. Development seems to have stalled on it though, no new OS releases in a year. It is cost effective, reliable and flexible and easily managed, coming from the MailScanner/Spamassassin

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Patrick Leary
Hey, we are all winding down from a long year... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:48 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Terry Hickey
funny I figured most people on this list would prefer American Made me I'll take my Ford Expedition and my Harley for fun - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
no worries. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Hey, we are all winding down from a long year... Patrick

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Philip Dorr
the equivalent would a x86 based mikrotik with 9 mini-pci slots (3 each for 2.4, 3.65, and 5.8), 4 gigbit wired interfaces, a gbic port, and running the dude On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof

Re: [WISPA] Re-evaluating our anti-spam solution

2009-12-30 Thread Randy Cosby
We still love (and beat the heck out of) can-it from Roaring Penguin. http://www.roaringpenguin.com/ On 12/30/2009 2:58 PM, Michael Baird wrote: We have a mailfoundry, no failures in the 1.5 years it's served as a gateway, plus no per domain/user fees. Development seems to have stalled on it

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Ugo Bellavance
On 2009-12-30 16:38, Ryan Spott wrote: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/TransparentTrafficShaper will get you started for pennies. Then you can grow from there. Thanks, Our firewall is a Pfsense and I think it can do something similar... What is the hardware required for the above setup?

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Robert West
We do it at the CPE. But depends on what you are using. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ugo Bellavance Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:19 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation

Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread Scottie Arnett
I have an old 1984 Litton Microwave that you can put metal in. It even came with a metal rack in it. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread Greg Ihnen
Mikrotik does a much better job of bandwidth management than pfSense though there is a bit more of a learning curve but don't let that scare you. All the talk of the Mikrotik learning curve put me off for too long till I finally decided I had to make the leap. Like jumping off the high dive it

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth limitation enforcement

2009-12-30 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Uh.. Dell GX150 i think? It has a celeron slow as heck processor. I found it near a dumpster at some point. The license cost me $45. Originally I used it to find the bandwidth hogs, now I control them with it. Wonderful stuff I tell you! ryan On Dec 30, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ugo Bellavance

Re: [WISPA] Painting Radome

2009-12-30 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Metal is fine in a microwave if it is carefully crafted to be the correct non-destructive RF length in all directions. It wasn't a special capability of the Litton Microwave Oven. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[WISPA] Blackberry email problems

2009-12-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries. The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on the 26th they stopped completely. No changes were made

Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems

2009-12-30 Thread Jeremy Parr
2009/12/30 Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com: We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries.   The calls started on Monday, and my tech determined that we had about 2000 connections a week coming from RIM, but on

Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems

2009-12-30 Thread Josh Luthman
Try sending one to me - jluth...@att.blackberry.net It works to/from Gmail which is all use as of 2 minutes ago. On 12/30/09, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: We have some customers complaining that they cannot retrieve their emails from our mail server with their Blackberries.

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
If not... then I don't think a WISP (as we probably define it) is ever really going to be profitable with it. Off the top of my head, I know of 5 WISPs that are still deploy pre-WiMAX systems in the 2.5 GHz band and are doing quite nicely (and they aren't Clearwire / Digital Bridge type

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the

Re: [WISPA] 3.65GHz in grandfathered earth station areas

2009-12-30 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 07:33 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I don't think you have to register your cpe. The anti competitive nature of that is very clear. Hi Marlon...I believe any fixed CPE needs to be registered. Especially in a no-fly zone (grandfather area) the incumbents want to know

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2009-12-30 Thread Chuck Profito
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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ralph
We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread eje
You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems

2009-12-30 Thread eje
Works nice for me but on our server that is. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Matt Larsen - Lists Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List To: Motorola Canopy User Group ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Blackberry email problems Sent: Dec 30, 2009 17:43 We

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ralph
Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Hi RALPH! ryan On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote: Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal.

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Ralph
Sorry. Dumb iPhone auto correction changed Tropos to tripod. Lol On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
Here we go again. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 5:15 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Go ahead and

Re: [WISPA] fight over MikroTik certification AGAIN, was Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread George Morris
No kidding! It sure would be nice if it stopped, or those involved had the courtesy to mark these toxic threads with a fresh subject line. We've been through an audit with MikroTik gear, passed clear as a bell. My understanding is that FCC rules are very similar to IC rules so modular certs in

[WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know that there are plenty of MikroTik units out there that passed FCC cert lab testing and have FCC approval and modular systems that passed FCC enforcement

Re: [WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Jerry Richardson
Please take it off list. Sent Mobile Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:48 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. But there's a huge difference between using a few here and there and

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-30 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Charles, I don't think that is the point that is being made. While you are correct with your this is a 'apples to oranges' comparison, it is hard to ignore the very fact that when folks such as Ubiquity enter the market place, they end up causing a 'shake down' for everyone, forcing the other

[WISPA] OT: Nebraska

2009-12-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
...just put a serious beat down on Arizona in the Holiday Bowl. Proud to be a Husker today! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear - licensed bands btw

2009-12-30 Thread Charles Wu
Speaking of which, did anyone notice the results of the latest BRS Auction (#86) Licenses went for an average of $0.03 / MHz POP That means if 60 MHz covering 100,000 people (as defined by Census 2000 numbers) would have gone for $180k -- with the small business 35% credit - that means a WISP