[WISPA] contract for use or tower

2010-08-02 Thread Liam Cummings
I'm looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone's tower. Anyone want to share what they have with us? Would save me tons of time. :-) TX Liam WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] contract for use or tower

2010-08-02 Thread Chuck Bartosch
If you're a WISPA member, I think the wiki has a number of sample contracts. Chuck Sent from my iPad On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote: I’m looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone’s tower. Anyone want to share what they

[WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremie Chism
I noticed on Friday that everything I had seemed very slow. I went through checking the usual things and found no problem. After digging into everything I could put my hands on, I resorted to calling my upstream to see if they noticed any problems. They of course said no. At 430 that afternoon

[WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
You need one of the 4.x releases of MT for XBox uPNP to work. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 9:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Nick Olsen
Well, if its not hitting YOU then its not to easy to tell. If its hitting your routers you should see it. But if your upstream is getting attacked that's a whole different story. We share a upstream router with a datacenter a few cities over. They got hit hard from china asia a year or two ago,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Nick Olsen
I've heard it a bit. Personally, I've never had a problem when my Xbox would list my NAT as strict. But I've heard people scream about it. You can either port forward to them, Or enable UPnP and it will do it for you. If your double NAT-ing then you will need to do it on both routers as UPnP

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Justin Wilson
The easy answer is give the complainers a public. The problem you will run into is XBOX live tells them their nat status. In my experience you will have the people who are being told by Microsoft they need to have a simple nat or whatever the box tells them. You can make it work with

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
Jeremie there are a few ways to investigate a suspect DOS attack. First and foremost you want to take a peek at your incoming connections. Do you see a large influx of incoming traffic? If so - are you able to identify where it is coming from? Chances are if you know where it is coming from

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Matt
to 1.2Gb/s if I recall correctly. At first we were getting crazy packet loss because the upstream router was getting hammered. After that they put in a few rules to drop the traffic and that made it stable, But latency was like +140ms going into it. What rules can really help a DOS attack? I

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Nick Olsen
Well, I believe in this case it was all Asia IP space, Mostly from the same hand full of subnets. So they dropped the associated /24's Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:56 AM

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremy Parr
Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network? On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Jon Auer
I see a lot of replies about what to do if *you* are the target of a DOS attack but not many about how to tell if your upstream is getting slammed. Really a DOS attack on a upstream should have symptoms of any other upstream capacity issue that you want to know about, just it will probably have a

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremie Chism
Thanks. I am looking into all of that now. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Jeremie there are a few ways to investigate a suspect DOS attack. First and foremost you want to take a peek at your incoming connections. Do you see a large influx of

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
This could be a huge advantage to you. Walk with me a second... or two. If a client wishes a Dedicated IP address that works for services such as Gaming, VPN, etc. Then let them pay a little extra for it. I see this as a natural money maker myself. -- glenn On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Adam Kennedy
I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else.

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Nick White
http://staros.tog.net/wiki/List_of_APNIC_IP_Blocks There is a more up to date list somewhere, but at a previous company I worked for we ended up blocking lots of APNIC. Saw way too many scans/hack-attempts/DOS from them. Occasionally had a customer (twice in five years) complain about no

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. -Kurt Fankhauser

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
One good example I can bring up is a customer that has an Xbox plugged in to a WGT624v4 (nat 1), into our MT CPE (nat 2), goes through backhauls - Redline, Mikrotik, into our core router (nat 3). He has never once complained about any Xbox issues. His #1 concern when signing up was that the Xbox

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
or do 1 to 1 nat On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS BRIDGE NETWORKS - what happens when they place something in a loop on their network - unless you are STP ready - you will have fun tracking it down. On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Justin Wilson
Call it a gaming package and it will sell like hotcakes. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:55:24 -0400

[WISPA] Looking for a voice consultant

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremy Parr
I am looking for someone who can assist with deploying a voice solution for us. Billing, provisioning, SIP, and SS7 required. Please contact me offlist. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 8/2/2010 12:07 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS BRIDGE NETWORKS - what happens when they place something in a loop on their network - unless you are STP ready - you will have fun tracking it down. Have the vendors in this space caught up to Carrier Ethernet yet? LAN

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
uPNP on the only router between public and private will play friendly with multiple XBoxes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 9:32 AM, Nick Olsen wrote: I've heard it a bit. Personally, I've never had a problem when my Xbox would list my

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Correction: A DDoS comes from thousands of IPs, a DOS from a few or singular. (Distributed being the difference.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 9:56 AM, Matt wrote: to 1.2Gb/s if I recall correctly. At first we were getting crazy

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network? On 8/2/10, Kurt

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up big security hole for the end user (your customers) because there are trojans that use UPnP to poke a hole in the router and then it phones home with the IP address and port it opened. If that compromised machine starts

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Justin Wilson
We have a network of 7 routers that is running dual stack. Actually have some customers receiving IPV6 addresses. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Reply-To:

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread RickG
So, do you turn off UPnP or not? On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up big security hole for the end user (your customers) because there are trojans that use UPnP to poke a hole in the

[WISPA] ITElite

2010-08-02 Thread Mike Hammett
What company would the quality of ITElite antennas best compare to? I'm interested in their dual polarity 5 GHz CPE and APs, both with integrated radio enclosures. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Blair Davis
we do. RickG wrote: So, do you turn off UPnP or not? On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up big security hole for the end user (your customers) because there are trojans that

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Default for everything I'm aware of is off. Unless someone has a different experience? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: we do. RickG wrote: So, do you turn

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Greg Ihnen
I do and only do manual port forwarding. Greg On Aug 2, 2010, at 1:51 PM, RickG wrote: So, do you turn off UPnP or not? On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up big security hole for the

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Around here everyone charges 15 for a static. On Aug 2, 2010 7:29 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
Five bucks? TW and ATT charges fifteen bucks or more for a static around here. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
Ditto! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Around here everyone charges 15 for a static. On Aug 2, 2010 7:29 PM, John

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Scott Lambert
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 09:56:01AM -0500, Matt wrote: to 1.2Gb/s if I recall correctly. At first we were getting crazy packet loss because the upstream router was getting hammered. After that they put in a few rules to drop the traffic and that made it stable, But latency was like +140ms

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Scott Lambert
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 10:09:04AM -0500, Jon Auer wrote: I see a lot of replies about what to do if *you* are the target of a DOS attack but not many about how to tell if your upstream is getting slammed. Really a DOS attack on a upstream should have symptoms of any other upstream capacity

[WISPA] ATT fiber

2010-08-02 Thread Jason Bailey
A new fiber demarc was installed in the same building as we are.Anyone have contact info for Michigan rep? Thanks!  Jason   WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Glenn Kelley
Time Warner is about $15 In this neck of the woods there are not that many providers - you going elsewhere would necessitate you either going into business for yourself or moving to Sneaker Net ;-) On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Around here everyone charges 15 for a

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread RickG
BellSouth (ATT) charges $10. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:27 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
Or dreaming. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Time Warner is about $15 In this neck of the woods there are not

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Chuck Profito
For residential we charge 10 per month too, Business is included in the monthly billing... Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-Access, Inc. www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com Providing Broadband Internet Access to California's Rural Central Valley -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike
Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
Fired. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 2 August 2010 20:26, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Time Warner is about $15 In this neck of the woods there are not that many providers - you going elsewhere would necessitate you either going into business for yourself or moving to Sneaker Net ;-) For a *static* or just for

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Mike
Yup! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Fired.

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
With me, a static and public is one in the same. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP On 2 August 2010 20:26, Glenn

[WISPA] FW: About to switch

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
Oh, I just have to share my Time Warner drama. Moved the office, gave them over 30 days’ notice to move our copper and fiber but still hasn’t happened. Imagine crawling under your neighbors deck at 7 AM , dragging coax, just to connect into their coax drop with no permission to do so just to

Re: [WISPA] FW: About to switch

2010-08-02 Thread Josh Luthman
At least you still have your since of humor. I think you should be proud of yourself for knowing how to make it work instead of just sitting there staring at it until someone else fixes it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremie Chism
I see 15/month for static public all the time here. I guess it depends on your market. But I also have comcast doing 50/5 here to. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 6:27 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Jeremie Chism
True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Blake Covarrubias
I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a consistent public IP. NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread Robert West
Depends on if you have to pay for it. Some upstreamproviders give them for free, others not. Some WISPS pay for their own block. Either way, as with everything in business, if I have to pay 15 bucks for a static you better believe that cost is gonna be passed on. That's a HUGE percentage of

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
Are you always that quick to jump to conclusions? I guess I am just spoiled living in CA and NV as all the ISPs I have ever known of assign IP addresses either free or $5 per month. Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2,

Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP

2010-08-02 Thread John Thomas
Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a portable /19 I am going to start renting.. John Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Depends on if you have to pay for it. Some upstreamproviders give them for free, others not. Some WISPS pay for their

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance

2010-08-02 Thread Tom DeReggi
yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean

Re: [WISPA] MIMO 5.8 GHz panel antennas?

2010-08-02 Thread Tom DeReggi
Fred, The Arc Wireless dual pol panel is a great value with embedded genII enclosure. You have to use the enclosure for the mount to screw on to the antenna. You can still use cables to an external radios, its just that your cables are inside the enclosure, and pass thru the case holes. That

Re: [WISPA] DOS attack

2010-08-02 Thread Gary Garrett
Lately I have had some Pfishers get passwords to users E-mail and start sending out from their Webmail accounts. I have taken to blocking the entire /8 . about 16 million addresses each. Really cuts down on the incoming spam also. No complaints yet. Well, I believe in this case it was