I'm looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone's
tower. Anyone want to share what they have with us? Would save me tons
of time. :-)
TX
Liam
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If you're a WISPA member, I think the wiki has a number of sample contracts.
Chuck
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On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Liam Cummings lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com
wrote:
I’m looking for a good contract to use for exclusive use of someone’s tower.
Anyone want to share what they
I noticed on Friday that everything I had seemed very slow. I went through
checking the usual things and found no problem. After digging into
everything I could put my hands on, I resorted to calling my upstream to see
if they noticed any problems. They of course said no. At 430 that
afternoon
So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you
about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being
behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers.
From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play
You need one of the 4.x releases of MT for XBox uPNP to work.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 9:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to
you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX
Well, if its not hitting YOU then its not to easy to tell.
If its hitting your routers you should see it. But if your upstream is
getting attacked that's a whole different story.
We share a upstream router with a datacenter a few cities over. They got
hit hard from china asia a year or two ago,
I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even
this requires a public IP on the
I've heard it a bit. Personally, I've never had a problem when my Xbox would
list my NAT as strict. But I've heard people scream about it. You can either
port forward to them, Or enable UPnP and it will do it for you. If your double
NAT-ing then you will need to do it on both routers as UPnP
The easy answer is give the complainers a public. The problem you will
run into is XBOX live tells them their nat status. In my experience you
will have the people who are being told by Microsoft they need to have a
simple nat or whatever the box tells them.
You can make it work with
Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told
that it's a big security hole.
Thoughts on that?
marlon
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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
Subject:
Jeremie
there are a few ways to investigate a suspect DOS attack.
First and foremost you want to take a peek at your incoming connections.
Do you see a large influx of incoming traffic?
If so - are you able to identify where it is coming from?
Chances are if you know where it is coming from
to 1.2Gb/s if I recall correctly. At first we were getting crazy packet loss
because the upstream router was getting hammered.
After that they put in a few rules to drop the traffic and that made it
stable, But latency was like +140ms going into it.
What rules can really help a DOS attack? I
Well, I believe in this case it was all Asia IP space, Mostly from the same
hand full of subnets. So they dropped the associated /24's
Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106
From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:56 AM
Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who
is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network?
On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you
about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very
I see a lot of replies about what to do if *you* are the target of a
DOS attack but not many about how to tell if your upstream is getting
slammed.
Really a DOS attack on a upstream should have symptoms of any other
upstream capacity issue that you want to know about, just it will
probably have a
Thanks. I am looking into all of that now.
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
Jeremie
there are a few ways to investigate a suspect DOS attack.
First and foremost you want to take a peek at your incoming connections.
Do you see a large influx of
This could be a huge advantage to you.
Walk with me a second... or two.
If a client wishes a Dedicated IP address that works for services such as
Gaming, VPN, etc.
Then let them pay a little extra for it.
I see this as a natural money maker myself.
-- glenn
On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM,
I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my
own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For
that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through
65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else.
http://staros.tog.net/wiki/List_of_APNIC_IP_Blocks
There is a more up to date list somewhere, but at a previous company I
worked for we ended up blocking lots of APNIC. Saw way too many
scans/hack-attempts/DOS from them. Occasionally had a customer (twice in
five years) complain about no
Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote:
I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me
Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the
customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins*
and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the
customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves.
-Kurt Fankhauser
One good example I can bring up is a customer that has an Xbox plugged
in to a WGT624v4 (nat 1), into our MT CPE (nat 2), goes through
backhauls - Redline, Mikrotik, into our core router (nat 3).
He has never once complained about any Xbox issues. His #1 concern
when signing up was that the Xbox
or do 1 to 1 nat
On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy wrote:
I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my
own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web.
For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from
FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS BRIDGE NETWORKS
- what happens when they place something in a loop on their network - unless
you are STP ready - you will have fun tracking it down.
On Aug 2, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal
Call it a gaming package and it will sell like hotcakes.
--
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http://www.mtin.net/blog
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From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:55:24 -0400
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us. Billing, provisioning, SIP, and SS7 required. Please contact me offlist.
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At 8/2/2010 12:07 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS BRIDGE NETWORKS
- what happens when they place something in a loop on their network
- unless you are STP ready - you will have fun tracking it down.
Have the vendors in this space caught up to Carrier Ethernet yet?
LAN
uPNP on the only router between public and private will play friendly
with multiple XBoxes.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 9:32 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
I've heard it a bit. Personally, I've never had a problem when my Xbox
would list my
Correction: A DDoS comes from thousands of IPs, a DOS from a few or
singular. (Distributed being the difference.)
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 9:56 AM, Matt wrote:
to 1.2Gb/s if I recall correctly. At first we were getting crazy
I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote:
Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who
is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network?
On 8/2/10, Kurt
I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up big
security hole for the end user (your customers) because there are trojans that
use UPnP to poke a hole in the router and then it phones home with the IP
address and port it opened. If that compromised machine starts
We have a network of 7 routers that is running dual stack. Actually
have some customers receiving IPV6 addresses.
Justin
--
Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net
http://www.mtin.net/blog
Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
Reply-To:
So, do you turn off UPnP or not?
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up big
security hole for the end user (your customers) because there are trojans
that use UPnP to poke a hole in the
What company would the quality of ITElite antennas best compare to?
I'm interested in their dual polarity 5 GHz CPE and APs, both with
integrated radio enclosures.
--
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
we do.
RickG wrote:
So, do you turn off UPnP or not?
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up big security hole for the end user (your customers) because there are trojans that
Default for everything I'm aware of is off. Unless someone has a
different experience?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
we do.
RickG wrote:
So, do you turn
I do and only do manual port forwarding.
Greg
On Aug 2, 2010, at 1:51 PM, RickG wrote:
So, do you turn off UPnP or not?
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up big
security hole for the
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find
a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.
John
Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the
customer is Im gonna have to sell
Around here everyone charges 15 for a static.
On Aug 2, 2010 7:29 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.
John
Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
Five bucks? TW and ATT charges fifteen bucks or more for a static around
here.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live,
Ditto!
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Around here everyone charges 15 for a static.
On Aug 2, 2010 7:29 PM, John
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 09:56:01AM -0500, Matt wrote:
to 1.2Gb/s if I recall correctly. At first we were getting crazy
packet loss because the upstream router was getting hammered.
After that they put in a few rules to drop the traffic and that made
it stable, But latency was like +140ms
On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 10:09:04AM -0500, Jon Auer wrote:
I see a lot of replies about what to do if *you* are the target of a
DOS attack but not many about how to tell if your upstream is getting
slammed.
Really a DOS attack on a upstream should have symptoms of any other
upstream capacity
A new fiber demarc was installed in the same building as we are.Anyone have
contact info for Michigan rep? Thanks! Jason
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Time Warner is about $15
In this neck of the woods there are not that many providers - you going
elsewhere would necessitate you either going into business for yourself or
moving to Sneaker Net ;-)
On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Around here everyone charges 15 for a
BellSouth (ATT) charges $10.
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:27 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month.
John
Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Or dreaming.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Time Warner is about $15
In this neck of the woods there are not
For residential we charge 10 per month too, Business is included in the
monthly billing...
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
Providing Broadband Internet Access to
California's Rural Central Valley
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From:
Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go.
Or not.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live,
Fired.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:46 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather
On 2 August 2010 20:26, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote:
Time Warner is about $15
In this neck of the woods there are not that many providers - you going
elsewhere would necessitate you either going into business for yourself or
moving to Sneaker Net ;-)
For a *static* or just for
Yup!
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Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:57 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Fired.
With me, a static and public is one in the same.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
On 2 August 2010 20:26, Glenn
Oh, I just have to share my Time Warner drama. Moved the office, gave them
over 30 days’ notice to move our copper and fiber but still hasn’t happened.
Imagine crawling under your neighbors deck at 7 AM , dragging coax, just to
connect into their coax drop with no permission to do so just to
At least you still have your since of humor.
I think you should be proud of yourself for knowing how to make it
work instead of just sitting there staring at it until someone else
fixes it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon,
I see 15/month for static public all the time here. I guess it depends
on your market. But I also have comcast doing 50/5 here to.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 2, 2010, at 6:27 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:
And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would
True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me.
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On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote:
Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go.
Or not.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs.
We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All customers
get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a consistent public
IP.
NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with
Depends on if you have to pay for it. Some upstreamproviders give them for
free, others not. Some WISPS pay for their own block. Either way, as with
everything in business, if I have to pay 15 bucks for a static you better
believe that cost is gonna be passed on. That's a HUGE percentage of
Are you always that quick to jump to conclusions? I guess I am just spoiled
living in CA and NV as all the ISPs I have ever known of assign IP addresses
either free or $5 per month.
Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote:
True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me.
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On Aug 2,
Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a
portable /19 I am going to start renting..
John
Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
Depends on if you have to pay for it. Some upstreamproviders give them for
free, others not. Some WISPS pay for their
yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even
when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few
hundred thousand out of pocket.
Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford
to chose to live. I dont mean
Fred,
The Arc Wireless dual pol panel is a great value with embedded genII
enclosure.
You have to use the enclosure for the mount to screw on to the antenna. You
can still use cables to an external radios, its just that your cables are
inside the enclosure, and pass thru the case holes. That
Lately I have had some Pfishers get passwords to users E-mail and
start sending out from their Webmail accounts.
I have taken to blocking the entire /8 . about 16 million addresses
each.
Really cuts down on the incoming spam also. No complaints yet.
Well, I believe in this case it was
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