Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

2010-09-23 Thread Matt Jenkins
I was really liking Chrome until I discovered there is no print selection capability So back to Firefox for me too! On 09/22/2010 11:23 PM, RickG wrote: I rolled back to Firefox :) On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com mailto:tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-23 Thread Steve Barnes
Is that an African or English swallow? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] Carrier pigeons faster then rural wierless?

2010-09-23 Thread Philip Dorr
Antarctic On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Is that an African or English swallow? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West

Re: [WISPA] 189 mile wifi link- 5.8G Ubiquiti

2010-09-23 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 09/23/2010 12:28 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: Any hams on the list who know if the XR5 and XR3 meet Part 97 rules? I think the high-speed digital emission is legal on the 3.5 and 5.7 GHz ham bands... and these would be neat to have for VHF contests! I don't see that as a problem Leon WA4ZLW

Re: [WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz

2010-09-23 Thread Leon D. Zetekoff
On 09/22/2010 10:18 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: DECT phone in the install rig with a 10mhz radio and a ATA. or A DECT IP phone and 10 mhz radio. I have a Siemens A580IP base + handsets works fine...cuts one item out of the picture. leon On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

2010-09-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Take a look at this.. to see if it solves your problem. http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2010/09/print-selection-in-google-chrome.html?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/23/2010 5:13 AM, Matt Jenkins wrote: I was really liking Chrome until I

Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

2010-09-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
One of my son's recently asked me about Opera I had not taken a look at it in a long time... They have come a long way, and in initial look, appeared pretty impressive. Anyone else following / using Opera ? Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 9/23/2010 2:23 AM, RickG wrote: I

[WISPA] Morning report Copper Theft

2010-09-23 Thread Blake Bowers
From the DHS Morning report. I have to admit, the story gave me a bit of a chuckle - 1 million dollars worth of copper? Wow! http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/09/copper_taken_from_communicatio.html Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an

[WISPA] Referral Programs

2010-09-23 Thread Jeremy Rodgers
We are looking into creating a solid referral program. Does anyone have input on what has worked well and what hasn't? We were thinking of a free month of service for the new customer and referring one. Is this too much? Any thoughts? -- Jeremy J. Rodgers

Re: [WISPA] Morning report Copper Theft

2010-09-23 Thread David Hannum
Well, they corrected the value. Now they say $8k in damages . . . LOL http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2010/09/copper_theft_causes_8k_in_dama.html Dave Hannum New Era Broadband, LLC On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: From the DHS Morning

Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

2010-09-23 Thread Jeremie Chism
I use it some. The latest version is pretty good. Sent from my iPhone4 On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: One of my son's recently asked me about Opera I had not taken a look at it in a long time... They have come a long way, and in initial look,

[WISPA] Whitespaces

2010-09-23 Thread Charles n wyble
Meeting is very soon. I'm jazzed. You all watching it live? I have a client today so won't be able to give it my full attention. Looking forward to a positive ruling!!! -- from the desk of Charles wyble ceo president known element enterprises xmpp/sip/smtp: char...@knownelement.com legacy

Re: [WISPA] Referral Programs

2010-09-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't cap how much they can get. If they bring me a $10k/month account, I compensate them appropriately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/23/2010 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Free month up to 50 for a new customer that's installed for 90

Re: [WISPA] Referral Programs

2010-09-23 Thread Jeremie Chism
We usually give a free month to the one referring if it is equal to or greater than what they have. We give the customer the credit after the new customer pays the first bill. Also I have had a few employees from companies we have that have referred people to us. For those we get a gift card

Re: [WISPA] FW: TechNet Flash: IE9 Beta is here

2010-09-23 Thread Greg Ihnen
I use it some, but end up using Firefox or Chrome because I like the look and feel plus I want plugin support for thing like ad blocking and LastPass. I'm a big LastPass user. Greg On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: One of my son's recently asked me about Opera I had not

Re: [WISPA] VOIP PHONE 10 Mhz

2010-09-23 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I had forgot about the IP base's as none of them did what I wanted. I would murder to have a IP base stations that could hand off to each other and handle 4 lines. So far everything I find use's its own repeaters and limits the handsets to 1 or 2 lines. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:05 AM, Leon D.

Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces

2010-09-23 Thread St. Louis Broadband
What is the twitter hashtag? #TVWS? Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010

Re: [WISPA] Morning report Copper Theft

2010-09-23 Thread Blake Bowers
1 mill was a lot more fun! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: David Hannum oujas...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:59

Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces

2010-09-23 Thread Dennis Burgess
What is the final result? --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn

Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces

2010-09-23 Thread Josh Luthman
It makes me want to hit mute. Lots of Connected Nation type talk. Let's do awesome stuff, ya!!! How? ??? PROFIT!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces

2010-09-23 Thread Jeremie Chism
Then you wouldn't be able to hear the politics. Sent from my iPhone4 On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It makes me want to hit mute. Lots of Connected Nation type talk. Let's do awesome stuff, ya!!! How? ??? PROFIT!!! Josh Luthman Office:

[WISPA] TVWS

2010-09-23 Thread Rick Harnish
I'm sure we will have much more detail in the coming 24 hours. Notes I took: No Spectrum Sensing mandated, but further development is encouraged Geo-location Database to be developed in the next few months Two channels reserved for microphone use Large users of microphones can apply for

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] TVWS

2010-09-23 Thread Josh Luthman
I did not see any of this, can we read what was said or was it recorded somewhere? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: I’m sure we will have much more detail in

Re: [WISPA] TVWS

2010-09-23 Thread Charles N Wyble
So is there going to be a new report and order published? If so any idea on when it will be released? On 09/23/2010 08:54 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: I'm sure we will have much more detail in the coming 24 hours. Notes I took: No Spectrum Sensing mandated, but further development is encouraged

[WISPA] Netflix goes to Canada partly because of great Broadband

2010-09-23 Thread David Hannum
*Reed Hastings:* For now we're focused on Canada. If we succeed in Canada, we will certainly look at other markets. But each market is unique, and what attracted us to Canada is great broadband, and a great love of movies and TV shows.

Re: [WISPA] Netflix goes to Canada partly because of great Broadband

2010-09-23 Thread chris cooper
Interesting language from the CEO of a consumer services company regarding his customer base: THR: Are you concerned that American Netflix subscribers will look north and ask for the same discount Canadians get at $7.99? Hastings: How much has it been your experience that Americans follow what

Re: [WISPA] Netflix goes to Canada partly because of great Broadband

2010-09-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Aren't all Canadian broadband users charged by the meg? On Sep 23, 2010 12:50 PM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: Interesting language from the CEO of a consumer services company regarding his customer base: THR: Are you concerned that American Netflix subscribers will look north

Re: [WISPA] Referral Programs

2010-09-23 Thread Marco Coelho
We provide a credit equal to one months $ at the rate the new customer picks. No limits. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

2010-09-23 Thread Rick Harnish
2nd Memorandum and Order http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/index.do?document=301652 Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

2010-09-23 Thread Charles N Wyble
Hmm... looks like we need to keep up the good fight: Finally, it is important that we address additional proposals to set aside TV channels in rural areas for fixed licensed backhaul in the very near future. The ability of both new and incumbent wireless providers to provide 4G wireless

[WISPA] Minimum Receive Antenna Height Removed

2010-09-23 Thread Rick Harnish
56. With the elimination of the spectrum sensing requirement for TV bands devices that use geo-location and database access, there is collaterally no longer a need for a minimum receive antenna height for fixed devices, and we are consequently removing that requirement from the rules. We are also

Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

2010-09-23 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/23/2010 03:43 PM, you wrote: Hmm... looks like we need to keep up the good fight: I know this is out of line with the WISPA consensus, but it seems to me that if there are more than 10 white space channels in a given area, then letting Part 101 point-to-point operations share them

[WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Rick Harnish
65. Decision. We decline to increase the maximum permitted transmit antenna height above ground for fixed TV bands devices. As the Commission stated in the Second Report and Order, the 30 meters above ground limit was established as a balance between the benefits of increasing TV bands device

Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

2010-09-23 Thread Brian Webster
And the fact still remains that if these areas are so rural, there will also be access to 6 GHz and other licensed microwave channels for the same exact arguments they make for the licensed backhaul use of TVWS. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]

[WISPA] Fixed Licensed Point-to-Point Backhaul Use

2010-09-23 Thread Rick Harnish
137. Decision. We decline to set aside TV channels for fixed licensed backhaul use as requested by FiberTower at this time. As indicated above, the Broadband Action Agenda recently indicated an intention that the Commission initiate rule making proceedings to increase spectrum efficiency and

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Fred Goldstein
This item alone may be the show-stopper, the poison pill that makes it useless to WISPs in much of the country. In places where the routine variation in elevation is more than 75 meters, there will be houses (subscribers) that are more than 76 meters AAT. I notice this in the areas I'm

Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

2010-09-23 Thread Brian Webster
But if they become licensed you have to also protect the first adjacent channel for that licensed link. That would remove 3 channels from the available white space and to get that proposed licensed link they also have to protect the first adjacent channels of the incumbents. Remember when we talk

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Brian Webster
If you are on a high mountain and there are also a lot of other high locations around you your HAAT number could still be low. If however you are on a high mountain and the rest of the area all the way around your site is much lower, your HAAT figure will go up. Sites built on side hill locations

Re: [WISPA] Referral Programs

2010-09-23 Thread Matt Jenkins
We actually mail a check for $25 to the person who referred. The check in hand is a physical reminder of the referral. We feel that this is better than the nebulous credit they really don't see or interact with. On 09/23/2010 06:59 AM, Jeremy Rodgers wrote: We are looking into creating a solid

Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

2010-09-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I believe the FCC has another proceeding for freeing up 750 MHz of white space in other bands for backhaul purposes. I believe 6 and 13 GHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/23/2010 3:04 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 9/23/2010 03:43 PM, you

Re: [WISPA] Referral Programs

2010-09-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
We did a 50/50 Referral Program for our Customers... $50 for the person Referring $50 for the person being referred. You can change the amount to suit. Our logic was, both sides should get the incentive, especially when folks were referring friends, or professionals referring others. There

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Matt Jenkins
They listed all fixed devices must be below 75 meters HAAT. A lot of customers fixed CPE could be well above that as well. On 09/23/2010 01:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote: If you are on a high mountain and there are also a lot of other high locations around you your HAAT number could still be

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/23/2010 04:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote: If you are on a high mountain and there are also a lot of other high locations around you your HAAT number could still be low. If however you are on a high mountain and the rest of the area all the way around your site is much lower, your HAAT

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Matt Jenkins
Especially since the 900 works in the low areas where you can shut out the noise using the terrain. On 09/23/2010 02:34 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 9/23/2010 04:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote: If you are on a high mountain and there are also a lot of other high locations around you your HAAT

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Charles n wyble
Make sure to comment to the fcc about this. Get involved and ensure your voice is heard. Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 9/23/2010 04:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote: If you are on a high mountain and there are also a lot of other high locations around you your HAAT number could

[WISPA] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept. 23rd, 2010

2010-09-23 Thread Rick Harnish
Today's FCC decision to open up the TV Whitespaces for unlicensed operations is a decision that validates the WISP industry, WISPA, it's members and the grassroots efforts we have achieved since our birth in 2004. I would like to thank all of the WISP operators who have joined this movement and

Re: [WISPA] Referral Programs

2010-09-23 Thread RickG
Same here but we give $25 off the install fee as well. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: We actually mail a check for $25 to the person who referred. The check in hand is a physical reminder of the referral. We feel that this is better than the

Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

2010-09-23 Thread Francois Menard
Sorry guys, Where does the FCC document speak of additional spectrum in the 3GHz band ??? F. On 2010-09-23, at 3:43 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: Hmm... looks like we need to keep up the good fight: Finally, it is important that we address additional proposals to set aside TV channels in

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

2010-09-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Marco, Be aware of one very important principle when deploying Ubiquiti MIMO With them, you can NOT disable either of the polarities, both polarities always hear noise. In mode 8-15, double the capacity is acheived, each pol with unique data. Even in Modes 0-7 (single chain), I believe the

Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

2010-09-23 Thread Mike Hammett
I've wondered that as well, but the proceeding has been ongoing for the better part of a decade, so it's quite possible that the 3 GHz section is the 2650 band that has already been open for years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/23/2010 5:15

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Yeah, that really sucks. Many areas needing served have thick forest/trees easilly 70ft tall. A 90ft height, just wouldn't allow enough of the signal to have open air, and the signal would be going through trees most of the full path. In 900Mhz, the difference between having the tower side over

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

2010-09-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Canopy C/I numbers: ~3dB @ 2 Level FSK, ~10dB @ 4 Level FSK The 430 series didn't list its C/I. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/23/2010 6:03 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Marco, Be aware of one very important principle when deploying Ubiquiti

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Brian Webster
But what if you are able to use spectrum around 200 or 300 MHz? That certainly goes through trees. Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] Just Released: UNLICENSED OPERATION IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS/ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND

2010-09-23 Thread Gino Villarini
2650 bad? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

2010-09-23 Thread Gino Villarini
From the 10.4 release notes Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:37 PM

Re: [WISPA] Transmit Antenna Height

2010-09-23 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/23/2010 07:41 PM, Brian wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_16AA_01CB5B57.64FF81E0 Content-Language: en-us But what if you are able to use spectrum around 200 or 300 MHz? That certainly goes through trees. The rules allow antenna heights up

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

2010-09-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Hey Tom, Great post with great info. have no quams with the info you have presented. Just wanted to point it.. that I think you read Marco's email backwards... What I understood from Marco's post is that HE is currently operating the Moto Canopy Tower, and a competitor is getting ready to light

Re: [WISPA] Referral Programs

2010-09-23 Thread Robert West
We just give one free month. Same as we always did with the dial up that worked tremendously! But we DO give a FREE install and first month free to anyone to sends a farmer our way with a grain leg we can use!!! Well worth it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept.23rd, 2010

2010-09-23 Thread Josh Luthman
With $50 billion in revenue they can give at least one to the little guys. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Bill Lentz b.le...@certifiedinstallationassociates.com wrote: Everyone in the group

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Today is a Momentous Day for our Industry - Sept.23rd, 2010

2010-09-23 Thread Josh Luthman
Ubiquity or Motorola. Taking all bets! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Bill Lentz b.le...@certifiedinstallationassociates.com wrote: Now we wait for devices to be developed and accepted. I am