Re: [WISPA] More FCC News - Net Neutrality

2008-07-26 Thread Forrest W. Christian
I have said this over and over in various forums: Throttling/shaping on a per-application basis is not a good idea. Bandwidth caps and pay-per-bit are the correct way to handle bandwidth hogs. The FCC doesn't care how you limit, as long as you apply it equally to all bandwidth types.

Re: [WISPA] Story on Telco Bit Caps

2008-08-22 Thread Forrest W Christian
IANAL.. but, I have maintained for quite a while that Bit Caps, Traffic Shaping, Pay-per-bit, etc., which affects *all traffic* the same is the only correct way to implement controls, and is the least likely to get you in trouble with the FCC. The FCC basically wants to ensure that ISP's don't

Re: [WISPA] OT: 24 port Cisco Gigabit Switch?

2008-08-30 Thread Forrest W. Christian
I've heard good things about the Dell switches... I've got a Dell 48 port Gig-E layer 3 switch on the bench which I hope to have gotten into our core network in the next few days. So far, all the tests I have thrown at it seem to indicate that it will be just fine. A new layer 2 gigabit

Re: [WISPA] Satellite internet

2008-09-05 Thread Forrest W. Christian
I half expect that the whole speed of light latency issue will be eliminated sometime in my lifetime - that is, instantaneous communication between any two points with no meaningful delay. Unfortunately, when it happens, I suspect that those of us in the business of putting up infrastructure

Re: [WISPA] MT DOMs

2008-09-27 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Just curious, is MT bootable from a USB key? If so, that might be cheaper still. Travis Johnson wrote: Yes. Thanks. I found another unit, but it was more expensive for smaller size. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: http://www.memory.com/item.asp?item=TS1GSDOM22V This is what

Re: [WISPA] Trylon Titan Foundation Work

2008-10-15 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Having done two of these, I can say that doing the foundation yourself isn't all that bad. Dig the appropriate size hole, including undercuts, build a rebar cage which matches the print, throw it in the hole, then suspend the bottom section with legs over the hole, and pour. If you want to

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Forrest W. Christian
I'm going to ignore the first part of your email (since I'm sure others will discuss), and point out a couple of things you missed: Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I have MAJOR problems with the stance on adjacent channels. We give up 3 for 1 every time a TV channel, or microphone etc. fires up in

Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade

2008-10-24 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: The difference between sensing in 5 GHz and sensing in TV spaces is that the TV transmitters are published and easily accessed in terms of location, height, transmitter power, etc. But microphone users are not. The sensing proposals indicate that sensing devices *must*

Re: [WISPA] Whitespaces filing

2008-10-26 Thread Forrest W Christian
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: These data points would include geographic coordinates, antenna beam width, transmitter power, antenna height, antenna polarization and antenna azimuth, which in turn could be used to calculate D/U (desired/undesired) protection ratios, geographic separation or any

Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers

2008-11-01 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Tom DeReggi wrote: However, it also supports my core points... that you do not give 100% of the capacity to any one user. (8 out of 10mb still allows some headroom for TCP and Bandwidth shapers to self-tune) You actually can permit the full 10Mb/s bursts under canopy. As long as the

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: Does anyone know of a single outlet or otherwise small Ethernet based remote reboot and power metering device? I don't want to spend $700 on a regular rack mounted one because I would never make my money back. Are you looking to switch an AC outlet, or are you talking

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Forrest W. Christian
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Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-03 Thread Forrest W. Christian
may call it excessive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Forrest W. Christian f...@mt.net wrote

Re: [WISPA] Power Reboot and Meter

2009-01-04 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: Then the whole collocation industry is up poop creek. Maybe that's why only 1 or 2 companies have servers in MT. :-p You might be surprised I know of at least two multistory buildings full in Billings Hotwire has a major installation in billings. KOA is

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-11 Thread Forrest W Christian
Richard Goodin wrote: I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begin delivery of bandwidth to customers. Since Canopy hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll mention it. You really can't go wrong with a canopy installation. It works, even in the presence of noise that would

Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP

2006-04-11 Thread Forrest W. Christian
John Scrivner wrote: I sure thought I saw certs once on their site. I guess maybe you could call them and ask for the URL to their FCC certs? If you see this then passing those along here would sure be nice. Tranzeo in the past has played fast and loose with certificates besides what they

Re: [WISPA] DAWN ...and Ken....ARRL Requests changes to Part 15 rules for 2.4GHz Systems]

2006-04-15 Thread Forrest W Christian
George wrote: And I should also say that it is being discussed and addressed by on the wispa fcc committee list. I'm working on the first draft of a response from WISPA.. Basically saying that this is a BAD idea, at least in those bands shared with ISM/UNII users. -forrest -- WISPA Wireless

Re: [WISPA] calea

2007-01-15 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: There are already standards in place on what and how to do this for the DSL industry, cable is working on a standard. The conversation was more technical than I can recall word for word, but it sounds like it would be a very very good idea for us to

Re: [WISPA] Moto Spectra lite

2007-12-07 Thread Forrest W Christian
Not up yet, but we have a link engineered for somewhere between 300-400Mb/s full duplex at just under 10 miles with three foot dishes both ends in 23ghz... Waiting for FAA approval on the one end. 50Mb/s with 3footers over that distance should be doable... -forrest Rick Harnish wrote: 50

Re: [WISPA] Akamai

2008-01-06 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Travis Johnson wrote: We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :) We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get

Re: [WISPA] Mail server setup

2008-01-06 Thread Forrest W. Christian
David E. Smith wrote: How small is small? That will be the single biggest issue in deciding just what you need. Honestly, all the multiply-redundant backend stuff and virtual-machine-migration and hyper-scalable backends sound seriously overkill for most of what I'd consider small. Agreed

Re: [WISPA] Service Needed in San Juan

2008-01-12 Thread Forrest W. Christian
That would be most likely [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or he could point you in the right direction. -forrest JohnnyO wrote: Will need service at this location. Please respond offline with quotes. This is for me personally. I will be renting this home for 180days. I can do my own install ! ! ! !

Re: [WISPA] ekahau for missing children

2008-06-30 Thread Forrest W Christian
The other thought I might have would be to give each kid an RFID tag, and then strategically set up the RFID readers throughout the park. I can also think of lots of interesting data you could gather as a theme park owner about patron habits if each was carrying a RFID tag... -forrest

Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was: Report: FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking

2008-07-13 Thread Forrest W Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in relation to a previous statement about CALEA being good for WISPA: I can find NO benefit to it of ANY kind. Nor has anyone I know of explained a single benefit, ever. It is a mandate on how a network must function, a limitation to equipment, software,

Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade AssociationWas:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking

2008-07-13 Thread Forrest W Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No matter how many times you try to change the subject to you need to help law enforcment, which has NEVER been the issue, it still fails to address the fact that no properly designed and operating wireless network can be CALEA compliant. Explain how your network is

Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking

2008-07-13 Thread Forrest W Christian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't imagine how this is true. Are you attempting to tell me that all of you operate with a single point of failure? No, but all you have to do is to ensure that all of the traffic for the customer passes by one of your collection points, which do not have to

Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade AssociationWas:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking

2008-07-13 Thread Forrest W Christian
here - Original Message - From: Forrest W Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade AssociationWas:Report:FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [WISPA] Nanostations - question

2008-07-20 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Charles Wu wrote: Now, it seems to me that the Nanostation, although cheaper in price, due to being limited to running CSMA/CA, does not do a good job in competing with the Motorola Canopy / Trango / Alvarions of the world...people who buy those products are paying for the extra RD effort

Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-12 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: Then why can I purchase a Netgear PCI card for my Dell desktop? Because the Netgear PCI card has been certified both as a computing device and a Part 15 intentional radiator - but only if it is used with the antenna which the Netgear was certified with. -forrestc --

Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

2007-06-12 Thread Forrest W. Christian
device for the unintentional emissions. Think of it as two different devices - the radio part and the computer interface part. Forrest W. Christian wrote: Mike Hammett wrote: Then why can I purchase a Netgear PCI card for my Dell desktop? Because the Netgear PCI card has been certified both

Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC

2007-06-12 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: 2) Adding an FCC certified miniPCI wireless card with antenna within the card's certification from a different vendor to a computer with FCC certified components (either manufactured by Dell or DIY) sitting on a tower There is absolutely NO difference.. You are

Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC

2007-06-12 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: The XR5 is certified with a 31.4 dbi antenna. Nothing in the FCC certification says what type of antenna. Someone I spoke with familiar with the certification process said the type doesn't matter, only maximum (perhaps minimum too, I can't remember) gains. Actually it

Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC

2007-06-12 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: It seems to me like having Ubiquiti certified with various WISP antennas would be far cheaper than certifying each combination of Routerboard / Wireless Card / Case / Antenna combination. That would be correct. If I understand the regs correctly, what you could do is

Re: [WISPA] Question posed to the FCC

2007-06-12 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Motherboards and power supplies are tested independent of a case - if it's in a case, they test it with the all covers removed. Section 15.32(a). We may still have an issue, however. Routerboards are not typical personal computers due to lack of keyboard, video, etc.

Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP

2007-07-02 Thread Forrest W Christian
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I tried Canopy Adv. a few months back but was unhappy with the overall range quality (2.5 miles LOS w/ a reflector, and 8 port ATA, the voice was choppy when I had all 8 calls going). I’m transmitting 1-3 miles over a salt water ¾ mile wide river. On the canopy side: Two

Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference

2007-07-26 Thread Forrest W Christian
Travis Johnson wrote: There are ways to do it without sync. I have over 120 Trango AP's (over 30 of them with omni antennas) all running perfectly. Some towers have as many as 4 AP's in the same band within 10ft of each other. The point of sync is that you don't generally have to think about

Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference

2007-07-25 Thread Forrest W Christian
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: What I need are better radios. Something with better oob tx and rx stats. What you need is something with transmit synchronization (Canopy, Wimax) so that one AP isn't TX-ing at the same time that another is RX-ing. -forrest

Re: [WISPA] self inflicted interference

2007-07-26 Thread Forrest W Christian
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hmmm. Would you want to change out 60ish customers? Been there done that. Swapping out ~15 2.4Ghz 802.11b customers over the next two days to canopy. We swapped around 75 Trango customers when we first turned Canopy up. We've probably got around 100 802.11b's left

Re: [WISPA] BLM fees

2007-08-16 Thread Forrest W. Christian
My understanding of how BLM fees work are as follows: 1) An empty communications building has very low, if any, fees. 2) As carriers are added to the building, the building owner is assessed fees based on the inventory of the building. This inventory is based on how many carriers and what

Re: [WISPA] BLM fees

2007-08-16 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Travis Johnson wrote: They are now doing audits on all of the towers in our area (Southeast Idaho) and trying to put us in the cell phone category for fees. You are *NOT* in the cell phone category for fees. In fact, you are most likely fee Exempt. See

Re: [WISPA] BLM fees

2007-08-16 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Travis Johnson wrote: So how do I apply for this status? Anyone have a quick link? This is done on a site by site basis from an email I have from the RUS program: --- BLM is currently in the process of developing a

Re: [WISPA] PITA customers...

2007-08-16 Thread Forrest W. Christian
D. Ryan Spott wrote: Do you read them the riot act? Do you turn them off? Do you collect an early termination fee? Try this line (or a similar tact:) We are sorry you are not happy with our service. Unfortunately thare isn't anything else we can do to improve the service we are

Re: [WISPA] PITA customers...

2007-08-17 Thread Forrest W Christian
Generally the customers we've offered to remove equipment and refund install for are in a situation where for whatever reason their expectation did not match what we were able to deliver. Sometimes we simply cannot deliver the service we typically provide to a customer to that customer for

Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum

2007-08-24 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Tom DeReggi wrote: Several times you have suggested using legal council for finding licenses. On the surface that sounds odd to me, just because Why pay Lawyer rates ($400/hour) to do something that you could pay someone ($15 per hour to research for you.). I don't know what John had in

Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services

2007-09-06 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Mike Hammett wrote: I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? If you are a Costco member, their processing is dirt cheap... If you pay the extra for the premium membership, then it's even better (no statement fees,

Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic

2007-09-06 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Jory Privett wrote: Be careful what you wish for. What happens when your upstream say that your traffic goes to the bottom of queue unless you pay an extra $x,xxx.xx per moth? Will that make your customers happy? Can you afford an extra charge to make sure that your address space is in

Re: [WISPA] Feds OK fee for priority Web traffic

2007-09-06 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Jory Privett wrote: Ok so I pay you the extra to guarantee a certain minimum latency. I if I am connecting to a server on another network how will you provide that? You can not set the QoS for someone else's network much less 3 or 4 of them that my traffic has to cross to get to is final

Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)

2007-09-09 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Sam Tetherow wrote: I honestly think in the long run as WISPs we need to find a way to handle these types of users. We have transfer caps in our agreements which are more than anyone would use unless they are P2P users - more specifically, the pricing includes a certain amount of transfer, and

Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)

2007-09-09 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Sam Tetherow wrote: As ISPs in general I think we are going to have to be able to provide for this type of traffic. P2P is not all illegal movies. If we want to be providers for our community we need to be able to provide for the bandwidth hungry applications as well. I want to be clear...

Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)

2007-09-10 Thread Forrest W Christian
Sam Tetherow wrote: Forrest, I didn't mean to be offensive in my email, or imply that you are doing anything bad with your billing/usage model. I was just stating my opinion concerning the increased usage of bandwidth by customers and the WISP industry in general. If I came accross defensive,

Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)

2007-09-11 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Clint Ricker wrote: Not to be overly provocative here, but why are you paying $60/meg? I'd be more than happy to pay less. Please let me know where I can buy a DS3 or OC3 delivered somewhere within my footprint or at most only a couple of radio hops away for less than the $50-75 I'm paying

Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)

2007-09-11 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Matt Liotta wrote: You are correct that doing radio hops to the closest major market is a good way to go, but in your case the mileage is just too high. How far away are you from Microserve, which is in Idaho. I believe they serve Boise, which probably has cheaper bandwidth. Knowing what I

Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)

2007-09-11 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Clint Ricker wrote: Not to mention that you can possibly use these intermediate hops as pops for future expansion Not these hops... Generally, they are on the tops of hills that can't see anything other than the next hill. The other point I failed to mention, is that I suspect that I

Re: [WISPA] You're all going to lose ( I hope not)

2007-09-11 Thread Forrest W. Christian
Matt Liotta wrote: I don't know the area, but 8-10 hops sounds high to me as that is only 20-25 miles a hop. Last I checked, 20-25 miles/hop is about as far as you can go to drag OC3 level service in a reliable fashion, other than maybe using very huge dishes on 6Ghz. I would have to do the

Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

2011-09-26 Thread Forrest W Christian (PF Lists)
For those of you who are just ignoring these: I'd recommend you read up on the DMCA safe harbor rules See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative defense against the

Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

2011-10-04 Thread Forrest W Christian (PF Lists)
I think Vegas is one of those towns that for some people, it takes a while to figure out what they like to do. The obvious in-your-face stuff isn't for everyone.But when I quit thinking of Vegas being what I thought it was, and started just roaming looking for things to enjoy, I found a