Re: [WISPA] Being the WISP Ambassador In My County...Your Input Requested...

2006-06-28 Thread Jack Unger

Jason,

Here's one place for you to start.

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=wireless+isp&btnG=Search

jack


Jason wrote:


List,

   In a few days I am meeting with county officials to address the 
regulations, building codes, and permitting process for WISP's.  When I 
first approached them over a year ago with the desire to build a 
tower-less AP on a hill side (electrical cabinet, solar, sector antenna 
- very simple...), I was handed the building regulations for "Wireless 
Communications Facilities", ie, cell phone towers (think $50k+, & 
contractors are the only ones who can touch it).  I then tried to 
explain that what I am doing is of a different scope and scale, but no 
dice.  Now, after being patient and pursuing the right contacts, I will 
get my 5 minutes.  The people I am meeting with are only vaguely aware 
of wireless internet technology and didn't seem to know what exactly I 
was talking about (although there are several wisps operating in the 
large cities in the county, where the codes are the most rigid...).  
Over the phone I explained it in terms of, "outdoor, large-scale wifi", 
and that people install $200 AP's on grain silos, and that the $50k per 
AP just is not a good fit for this emerging industry.  They seemed very 
open and even glad that someone would address this, even mentioning 
reforming the regulations because of the "increasing technology".


 Therefore, I have inadvertently become the WISP ambassador in my 
County, if only for a moment, and I want to do it right.  Will you help 
me prepare for this meeting?  They would like pictures, drawings, etc.  
Also, I want to have a good outline of what we, as the operators and 
constructors, think the building requirements should be.  I especially 
want to contrast the shortcomings of the cell tower regulations on 
topics such as:



1.  Site Access & Off-The-Street parking: they want a 2 lane road to all 
"commercial structures".  I'd like to have to take a ATV 2 hours up a 
cliff and repel down the side just as a vandalism deterrent (a little 
exaggerated of course, but the great AP sites are all the toughest to 
get to).
2.  Contractors Do All The Work:  I want to build the unit myself, 
turn-key style; if a contractor has to sit it on the ground or bolt it 
to a pole that's OK.


3.  Permit Required:  Do I need a permit for every AP?  Do the mesh/muni 
guys have to apply for a permit with full engineering drawings, site 
plan showing all utilities, & signatures of every property owner within 
1000' (the cell tower regs require this...), and a public hearing that 
has a 3 month wait list?


4.  6' tall fence around all AP's: no explanation necessary.

5.  Operational Certificate By a Professional Engineer:  Mostly wind 
load language here...


6.  Being Bonded To An Insurer For The Price Of Removal:  In case you 
abandon your "tower", to pay for someone to take it down.


   The area I am trying to serve is rural and mostly a retirement 
community with low income.  My service has to match.  It has to be built 
cheaply, and the regs just don't allow it, not for anyone that wants a ROI.


   Any ideas are more than welcome, and if my documents turn out good 
enough, I'll submit them to the list for others to recycle during their 
5 minutes.

Sorry for writing a novel,
Jason


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[WISPA] Being the WISP Ambassador In My County...Your Input Requested...

2006-06-28 Thread Jason

List,

   In a few days I am meeting with county officials to address the 
regulations, building codes, and permitting process for WISP's.  When I 
first approached them over a year ago with the desire to build a 
tower-less AP on a hill side (electrical cabinet, solar, sector antenna 
- very simple...), I was handed the building regulations for "Wireless 
Communications Facilities", ie, cell phone towers (think $50k+, & 
contractors are the only ones who can touch it).  I then tried to 
explain that what I am doing is of a different scope and scale, but no 
dice.  Now, after being patient and pursuing the right contacts, I will 
get my 5 minutes.  The people I am meeting with are only vaguely aware 
of wireless internet technology and didn't seem to know what exactly I 
was talking about (although there are several wisps operating in the 
large cities in the county, where the codes are the most rigid...).  
Over the phone I explained it in terms of, "outdoor, large-scale wifi", 
and that people install $200 AP's on grain silos, and that the $50k per 
AP just is not a good fit for this emerging industry.  They seemed very 
open and even glad that someone would address this, even mentioning 
reforming the regulations because of the "increasing technology".


 Therefore, I have inadvertently become the WISP ambassador in my 
County, if only for a moment, and I want to do it right.  Will you help 
me prepare for this meeting?  They would like pictures, drawings, etc.  
Also, I want to have a good outline of what we, as the operators and 
constructors, think the building requirements should be.  I especially 
want to contrast the shortcomings of the cell tower regulations on 
topics such as:



1.  Site Access & Off-The-Street parking: they want a 2 lane road to all 
"commercial structures".  I'd like to have to take a ATV 2 hours up a 
cliff and repel down the side just as a vandalism deterrent (a little 
exaggerated of course, but the great AP sites are all the toughest to 
get to). 

2.  Contractors Do All The Work:  I want to build the unit myself, 
turn-key style; if a contractor has to sit it on the ground or bolt it 
to a pole that's OK.


3.  Permit Required:  Do I need a permit for every AP?  Do the mesh/muni 
guys have to apply for a permit with full engineering drawings, site 
plan showing all utilities, & signatures of every property owner within 
1000' (the cell tower regs require this...), and a public hearing that 
has a 3 month wait list?


4.  6' tall fence around all AP's: no explanation necessary.

5.  Operational Certificate By a Professional Engineer:  Mostly wind 
load language here...


6.  Being Bonded To An Insurer For The Price Of Removal:  In case you 
abandon your "tower", to pay for someone to take it down.


   The area I am trying to serve is rural and mostly a retirement 
community with low income.  My service has to match.  It has to be built 
cheaply, and the regs just don't allow it, not for anyone that wants a ROI.


   Any ideas are more than welcome, and if my documents turn out good 
enough, I'll submit them to the list for others to recycle during their 
5 minutes. 


Sorry for writing a novel,
Jason
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