Re: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 MillionRe: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)

2006-07-07 Thread Tom DeReggi

I'm referring to I use Trango Broadband for 95% of my network.
I believe it is the best choice for long term survivabilty of an independant 
WISP.
I stand behind that decission today as the best decission that I could have 
made for my situation.


However, there were trade offs in making that decssion. One was it 
illiminated every manufacturer other than Trango the from being a potential 
manufacturer investor that would have senergy to invest in us. Wimax on the 
other hand has 100s of manufacturers that potentially could be investors as 
well as suppliers in early stage large scale projects, based on jump 
starting and proving their early production runs or technkowlegy embeeded 
with products used.  Historically, Manufacturers have been key investors. 
For example Cisco in Cogent.  Or I can refer to an initiative a year or two 
back where Redline's investors had been considering investment in WISP 
providers that used Redline equipment.  Supporting one company (WISP) also 
strengthens other investments (in manufacturer's product).  Motorola has 
numerous attempts to partner with major initative, often in investment, as 
lsited in the Clearwire press release.  Or a company like TelkoNet that 
leases to WISPs to help financially and not only techknowlgy solutions. 
WISPs that are serious about growing large, need to consider these things, 
as they must have a finance strategy long term to handle their growth when 
that time comes or the growth won't occur.


If I expand this conversation to my business specifically... There have been 
many offers to just buy my company out and take over. But  I won't get the 
ROI that I'm looking for if I were to do that, because my company is still 
in an early investment stage. Instead what I want is someone to share the 
investment burden, so I don't have to take it on all alone. For me 
investment in my business is the lease risky thing I can do, I have control 
and confindense in things that I can control. However, ISP investors or 
consolidators (one of the typical investment sources) think differently. 
They'd rather take over, so they have control and maximum return, than share 
the burden of investment or compensate adequately for others investment. 
Manufacturer investors are potentially good investment partners because they 
are not providers and rarely have expertise to take over, and look to invest 
in companies that already have successful strategies and staff in place to 
succeed.


Clearwire is a much different thing where they can be publically traded, 
apposed to small WISPs that are far from the large scale value that large 
manufacturers look for before investing.  But companies grow, and sooner or 
later many WISPs will reach the scale of the Nextweb and Clearwires to 
attract major investors.


I'd argue that Wimax's biggest value is not technical, its strategic, 
because the number of players that enter the game and have synergies to 
partner with vastly grows, and financial/funding options vastly grow with 
it.


If I were a WISP I would not be holding my breath for a manufactirer 
investor to come, I'm jsut saying its one strategic option to consider that 
could exist.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: More on Clearwire - Intel  Moto invest $900 MillionRe: 
[WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)




What would be the Proprietary Platform?

Tom DeReggi wrote:

I'll say thats one disadvantage of buying into a proprietary platform, 
you loose out on investment funds from hardware manufacturers.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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RE: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900MillionRe: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)

2006-07-07 Thread Brian Webster
Well said Tom,
Having watched the cellular and PCS industry grow over the years, vendor
financing/investing was the only way these networks could have been built
out as fast as they were. Being based on a technology that was not specific
to any one manufacturer was a key in those network build outs. WIMAX may be
able to offer those same benefits once it becomes available in the
unlicensed spectrum, although I would guess the manufacturers would be more
apt to do what you say once a more protected spectrum becomes available. I
also agree with your statement that when the manufacturer is the investor
all they want to do is sell equipment, not get you over a barrel and then
take your company away from you in the way most venture capital outfits
would. I can see you've been around that block once or twice :-)



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:11 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: More on Clearwire - Intel  Moto invest $900MillionRe:
[WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)


I'm referring to I use Trango Broadband for 95% of my network.
I believe it is the best choice for long term survivabilty of an independant
WISP.
I stand behind that decission today as the best decission that I could have
made for my situation.

However, there were trade offs in making that decssion. One was it
illiminated every manufacturer other than Trango the from being a potential
manufacturer investor that would have senergy to invest in us. Wimax on the
other hand has 100s of manufacturers that potentially could be investors as
well as suppliers in early stage large scale projects, based on jump
starting and proving their early production runs or technkowlegy embeeded
with products used.  Historically, Manufacturers have been key investors.
For example Cisco in Cogent.  Or I can refer to an initiative a year or two
back where Redline's investors had been considering investment in WISP
providers that used Redline equipment.  Supporting one company (WISP) also
strengthens other investments (in manufacturer's product).  Motorola has
numerous attempts to partner with major initative, often in investment, as
lsited in the Clearwire press release.  Or a company like TelkoNet that
leases to WISPs to help financially and not only techknowlgy solutions.
WISPs that are serious about growing large, need to consider these things,
as they must have a finance strategy long term to handle their growth when
that time comes or the growth won't occur.

If I expand this conversation to my business specifically... There have been
many offers to just buy my company out and take over. But  I won't get the
ROI that I'm looking for if I were to do that, because my company is still
in an early investment stage. Instead what I want is someone to share the
investment burden, so I don't have to take it on all alone. For me
investment in my business is the lease risky thing I can do, I have control
and confindense in things that I can control. However, ISP investors or
consolidators (one of the typical investment sources) think differently.
They'd rather take over, so they have control and maximum return, than share
the burden of investment or compensate adequately for others investment.
Manufacturer investors are potentially good investment partners because they
are not providers and rarely have expertise to take over, and look to invest
in companies that already have successful strategies and staff in place to
succeed.

Clearwire is a much different thing where they can be publically traded,
apposed to small WISPs that are far from the large scale value that large
manufacturers look for before investing.  But companies grow, and sooner or
later many WISPs will reach the scale of the Nextweb and Clearwires to
attract major investors.

I'd argue that Wimax's biggest value is not technical, its strategic,
because the number of players that enter the game and have synergies to
partner with vastly grows, and financial/funding options vastly grow with
it.

If I were a WISP I would not be holding my breath for a manufactirer
investor to come, I'm jsut saying its one strategic option to consider that
could exist.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: More on Clearwire - Intel  Moto invest $900 MillionRe:
[WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)


 What would be the Proprietary Platform?

 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 I'll say thats one disadvantage of buying into a proprietary platform,
 you loose out on investment funds from hardware manufacturers.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 Million Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)

2006-07-06 Thread Frank Muto

MOTOROLA AND INTEL TO INVEST IN CLEARWIRE
[SOURCE: New York Times, AUTHOR: Laurie Flynn  John Markoff]
The investment units of Intel and Motorola said Wednesday that together they 
would invest $900 million in Clearwire, a wireless Internet service 
provider, in hopes of speeding development of its high-speed wide-range 
network. Intel Capital said it would make a $600 million cash investment in 
Clearwire, which was founded nearly three years ago by Craig O. McCaw, a 
pioneer in the cellular telephone industry.


Motorola Ventures would not say how much of its $300 million investment 
would be in cash. In a related transaction, Motorola said it would buy 
Clearwire's NextNet Wireless subsidiary for an undisclosed amount. Analysts 
said Intel and Motorola wanted to give a lift to WiMax, a standard for 
mobile wireless that is used by Clearwire and is competing with technology 
from Qualcomm. WiMax is much like the popular WiFi networking standard but 
works over much greater distances, carrying both Internet data and mobile 
phone calls. A single WiMax base station could connect hundreds or 
potentially thousands of customers to the Internet over distances of many 
miles.


Also see: Intel puts money on wireless networks - $600 MILLION INVESTMENT IN 
COMPANY BUILDING WIMAX

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/technology/14976053.htm


Frank Muto
Co-founder -  Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA
Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee
http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us








- Original Message - 
From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]




I have a tower in rural Western Washington.

Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1  Orthogon 
systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc


So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his 
service stack up?


I don't mean to be a the sky is falling or conspiracy theory kind  of 
guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I  think 
Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS  loans in 
our rural areas.


And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I  don't 
feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being  applied for in 
my area?


ryan


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Re: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 Million Re: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)

2006-07-06 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'll say thats one disadvantage of buying into a proprietary platform, you 
loose out on investment funds from hardware manufacturers.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:50 AM
Subject: More on Clearwire - Intel  Moto invest $900 Million Re: 
[WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)




MOTOROLA AND INTEL TO INVEST IN CLEARWIRE
[SOURCE: New York Times, AUTHOR: Laurie Flynn  John Markoff]
The investment units of Intel and Motorola said Wednesday that together 
they would invest $900 million in Clearwire, a wireless Internet service 
provider, in hopes of speeding development of its high-speed wide-range 
network. Intel Capital said it would make a $600 million cash investment 
in Clearwire, which was founded nearly three years ago by Craig O. McCaw, 
a pioneer in the cellular telephone industry.


Motorola Ventures would not say how much of its $300 million investment 
would be in cash. In a related transaction, Motorola said it would buy 
Clearwire's NextNet Wireless subsidiary for an undisclosed amount. 
Analysts said Intel and Motorola wanted to give a lift to WiMax, a 
standard for mobile wireless that is used by Clearwire and is competing 
with technology from Qualcomm. WiMax is much like the popular WiFi 
networking standard but works over much greater distances, carrying both 
Internet data and mobile phone calls. A single WiMax base station could 
connect hundreds or potentially thousands of customers to the Internet 
over distances of many miles.


Also see: Intel puts money on wireless networks - $600 MILLION INVESTMENT 
IN COMPANY BUILDING WIMAX

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/technology/14976053.htm


Frank Muto
Co-founder -  Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA
Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee
http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us








- Original Message - 
From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]




I have a tower in rural Western Washington.

Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1  Orthogon 
systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc


So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his 
service stack up?


I don't mean to be a the sky is falling or conspiracy theory kind  of 
guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I  think 
Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS  loans in 
our rural areas.


And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I 
don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being  applied 
for in my area?


ryan


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Re: More on Clearwire - Intel Moto invest $900 Million Re: [WISPA]Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)

2006-07-06 Thread Peter R.

What would be the Proprietary Platform?

Tom DeReggi wrote:

I'll say thats one disadvantage of buying into a proprietary platform, 
you loose out on investment funds from hardware manufacturers.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)

2006-07-03 Thread Tom DeReggi

Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS

loans in our rural areas.

Well he won;t be getting RUS loans, if you are protesting as you should be, 
as RUS loans are for unserved areas, and you obviously are serving it 
already.


Competing against Clearwire is no different than competing againt any other 
ISP or WISP.


And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I  don't 
feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being  applied for in 
my area?


Not to be a smart alec, but try calling RUS. Their contact info or links to 
them are plastered all over the FCC web page :-)


The problem I see in your case is that they are deploying on the same tower 
as you. It sounds like you don;t have a loyal tower owner or not good enough 
clauses to protect your right to spectrum.  For example is the Orthogon 
equipment using 5.8Ghz?  Are you using 5.8Ghz?  Execute that 
Non-Interference clause, if you can.  Provided you bought the right to 
broadcast at 5.8Ghz first.


The problem with them being on the same tower is, you are competing for the 
exact same clients.  My advice is take advantage of any customer awareness 
that they generate for you.  If you are there first, hopefully you know the 
market better. Time to vamp up your marketing, and running your signup 
promotions.


The good news is that Clearwire's sectors most likely are not going to 
interfere with you (provided using 2.5Ghz or what ever it is).


Just remember the DSL world, when there were 100 ISPs all selling DSL in the 
same town, and there was enough business to go around.


Don't worry about Clearwire, worry about your business. What are you going 
to do to make custoemrs want to use you. Let Clearwire worry about why they 
think customers should chose them instead. Ask your self why customers would 
choose clearwire over you. My answer would be,  no reason I could think 
of.  So you have as much a chance at the client base as Clearwire.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)



I have a tower in rural Western Washington.

Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1  Orthogon 
systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc


So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his 
service stack up?


I don't mean to be a the sky is falling or conspiracy theory kind  of 
guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I  think 
Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS  loans in 
our rural areas.


And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I  don't 
feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being  applied for in 
my area?


ryan
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Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)

2006-07-03 Thread Tim Kerns
We have Clearwire in some of the area we serve. I think we have lost one 
customer to them, but we have gotten customers that could not use them. In 
the area where they serve (Modesto, Ceres, Turlock of Ca.) they are trying 
to get the populated areas, competing against DSL and Cable. They provide 
their customers with an indoor CPE and tell them how to connect it, and to 
move it around until they can get a good signal. Well 2.5 ghz still does 
not penetrate trees, brick, cement block or stucco homes. We have alot of 
all of these. Also their range seems to be approx 1 to 1.5 miles from their 
towers.


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)



Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS
loans in our rural areas.

Well he won;t be getting RUS loans, if you are protesting as you should 
be, as RUS loans are for unserved areas, and you obviously are serving it 
already.


Competing against Clearwire is no different than competing againt any 
other ISP or WISP.


And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I 
don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being  applied 
for in my area?


Not to be a smart alec, but try calling RUS. Their contact info or links 
to them are plastered all over the FCC web page :-)


The problem I see in your case is that they are deploying on the same 
tower as you. It sounds like you don;t have a loyal tower owner or not 
good enough clauses to protect your right to spectrum.  For example is the 
Orthogon equipment using 5.8Ghz?  Are you using 5.8Ghz?  Execute that 
Non-Interference clause, if you can.  Provided you bought the right to 
broadcast at 5.8Ghz first.


The problem with them being on the same tower is, you are competing for 
the exact same clients.  My advice is take advantage of any customer 
awareness that they generate for you.  If you are there first, hopefully 
you know the market better. Time to vamp up your marketing, and running 
your signup promotions.


The good news is that Clearwire's sectors most likely are not going to 
interfere with you (provided using 2.5Ghz or what ever it is).


Just remember the DSL world, when there were 100 ISPs all selling DSL in 
the same town, and there was enough business to go around.


Don't worry about Clearwire, worry about your business. What are you going 
to do to make custoemrs want to use you. Let Clearwire worry about why 
they think customers should chose them instead. Ask your self why 
customers would choose clearwire over you. My answer would be,  no reason 
I could think of.  So you have as much a chance at the client base as 
Clearwire.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)



I have a tower in rural Western Washington.

Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1  Orthogon 
systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc


So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his 
service stack up?


I don't mean to be a the sky is falling or conspiracy theory kind  of 
guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I  think 
Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS  loans in 
our rural areas.


And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I 
don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being  applied 
for in my area?


ryan
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