RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
possibly 5.7 gear.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Our network is currently made up of

Raylink FHSS
Trango 900
Raylink/Brilan DSSS
Alvarion 900
Trango Link-10

All in all we have had pretty good luck with all of the above once the
bugs
were worked out. The real workhorse of our network is Raylink FHSS but
we
are starting to move away from it due to the bandwidth limitations of
FHSS.
The raylink/brilan DSSS works fairly well but has some minor irritations
with regards to signal strength readouts and I am concerned about future
updates and upgrades from them.

The alvarion 900 works well but is a pain to install.

Trango 900 works well also but offers no indoor installation options and
cpe
costs are still high.

We are going to be setting up a few new pops this year and I would like
to
try out some new equipment, hopefully something that would work out well
enough to use for upgrading our existing network as time goes by.

I have looked into MT and StarOS due to the ability to be able to keep
the
equipment upgraded with software updates and if needed completely
replace
the software in the future using the same hardware. I also like the
thought
of having one platform that I could use for 2.4, 5.x and 900 in the
future.
What I am worried about is going through the hassle of building out all
the
CPE's keeping the software up to date and the cost is not all that
great. I
also want something that is aesthetically pleasing, rootennas are not
all
that attractive. I am also looking for something to put up and forget
about.

Demarc stuff looks pretty nice and the price is not bad but I had heard
of
some reliability issues in the past, they may have all been taken care
of by
now though. I also had a hard time getting a hold of anyone there in the
past when I was considering making a purchase. This may have changed
also
its been a while since I called.

Canopy looks attractive do to the one brand all bands and the pricing is
tolerable. I am not sure I like being stuck with Vert polarity, its
noisy
here and it kind of scares me going with proprietary equipment.

The Trango 2.4, not really sure why I put this down because it really
doesn't seem competitive cost wise. I am interested in what type of
performance people are getting out of them though and how they are doing
in
noisy environments. The 900 is not all that great when it is noisy in my
experience.

I am interested in the waverider for one particular residential area
that
would be very nice to have a preconfigured radio for someone to pick up
and
do a self install indoors. Getting rid of a truck roll and having to
have
something on the outside of the home.

Also looking for a backhaul to try besides the link-10 from trango.
Would
like to find something in the 5.8 band with similar throughputand
latency of
trango for the same or less $$. This is another reason I thought about
MT,
StarOs, Demarc stuff was for multiple radios on the same board so the AP
and
BH could be the same piece of hardware and software.

Just looking for some comments in general about the different options
and
why you did/didn't pick one over the other.

Thanks,
Chadd


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What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3
you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are
people on this list for every different system you just described, not
sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik,
and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4




Kurt Fankhauser
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114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com



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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread Chadd Thompson
We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a necessary
evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early on
and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise floor
is fairly high in 5.x around here. 

It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the time
and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution that
does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. 

Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had two
competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS and
we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly over
the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot about us
and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do what
it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind sticking
with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as
customers expect faster and faster connections.

It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get
calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service
based off of recommendations from their neighbors.

Thanks,
Chadd

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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
possibly 5.7 gear.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com



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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise
rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your
throughput.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a
necessary
evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early
on
and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise
floor
is fairly high in 5.x around here. 

It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the
time
and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution
that
does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx. 

Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had
two
competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS
and
we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly
over
the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot
about us
and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do
what
it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind
sticking
with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as
customers expect faster and faster connections.

It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get
calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service
based off of recommendations from their neighbors.

Thanks,
Chadd

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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
possibly 5.7 gear.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com



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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread danlist
Does the 3db SNR still  apply when using 2X mode? I was under the impression
that 2X requires 10db



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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise
 rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your
 throughput.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a
 necessary
 evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early
 on
 and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise
 floor
 is fairly high in 5.x around here.
 
 It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the
 time
 and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution
 that
 does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
 spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx.
 
 Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had
 two
 competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS
 and
 we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly
 over
 the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
 plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot
 about us
 and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do
 what
 it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind
 sticking
 with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as
 customers expect faster and faster connections.
 
 It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get
 calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service
 based off of recommendations from their neighbors.
 
 Thanks,
 Chadd
 
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 Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
 possibly 5.7 gear.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
 
 
 
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-19 Thread danlist
Also that is 3db at -65dbm signal

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 Of Kurt Fankhauser
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:20 PM
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 If your concerned about noise consider Motorola, it has excellent noise
 rejection, it only needs somewhere around 3db above the noise for your
 throughput.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:31 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 We have a lot of fence rows in this area so 900 is going to be a
 necessary
 evil like it or not. I tried using 5.7 Trango for a few installs early
 on
 and just couldn't get any range out of it in this area, and the noise
 floor
 is fairly high in 5.x around here.
 
 It seems like more and more people are starting up in this area all the
 time
 and the noise floor continues to rise, I would like to find a solution
 that
 does well in noisy environments and maybe even something that uses the
 spectrum a bit more efficiently than standard 802.xx.
 
 Our FHSS has been great as far as noise has been concerned. We have had
 two
 competitors come in and install DSSS 2.4 within a few blocks of our FHSS
 and
 we never saw any difference. They have done installs shooting directly
 over
 the top of our customers on the same polarity and again it just keeps
 plugging along. The others in the area definitely don't give a hoot
 about us
 and how could possible affect our service or customers so I need to do
 what
 it takes to keep our network as robust as possible. I wouldn't mind
 sticking
 with FHSS but I just don't see it giving us room to stretch our legs as
 customers expect faster and faster connections.
 
 It is starting to work out for us though because we are starting to get
 calls from their customers inquiring about switching over to our service
 based off of recommendations from their neighbors.
 
 Thanks,
 Chadd
 
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 Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:02 PM
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..
 
 Is foliage a problem in your area? Sounds like your using a lot of 900
 gear. If foliage is not a problem you might want to look at 2.4 or
 possibly 5.7 gear.
 
 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 114 S. Walnut St.
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 www.wavelinc.com
 
 
 
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[WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
I am looking for some feedback on the following equipment and would like to
chat a bit with anyone willing to share your experience with it.

Mikrotik based AP/Clients/BH any band
StarOS based AP/Clients/BH any band
Demarctech AP/Clients/BH any band
Motorola Canopy any band
Trango 2.4
Waverider 900

Or any similar products besides Tranzeo and Smartbridges.

Thanks,
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3
you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are
people on this list for every different system you just described, not
sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik,
and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4


 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:19 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

I am looking for some feedback on the following equipment and would like
to
chat a bit with anyone willing to share your experience with it.

Mikrotik based AP/Clients/BH any band
StarOS based AP/Clients/BH any band
Demarctech AP/Clients/BH any band
Motorola Canopy any band
Trango 2.4
Waverider 900

Or any similar products besides Tranzeo and Smartbridges.

Thanks,
Chadd
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RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..

2006-01-18 Thread Chadd Thompson
Our network is currently made up of

Raylink FHSS
Trango 900
Raylink/Brilan DSSS
Alvarion 900
Trango Link-10

All in all we have had pretty good luck with all of the above once the bugs
were worked out. The real workhorse of our network is Raylink FHSS but we
are starting to move away from it due to the bandwidth limitations of FHSS.
The raylink/brilan DSSS works fairly well but has some minor irritations
with regards to signal strength readouts and I am concerned about future
updates and upgrades from them.

The alvarion 900 works well but is a pain to install.

Trango 900 works well also but offers no indoor installation options and cpe
costs are still high.

We are going to be setting up a few new pops this year and I would like to
try out some new equipment, hopefully something that would work out well
enough to use for upgrading our existing network as time goes by.

I have looked into MT and StarOS due to the ability to be able to keep the
equipment upgraded with software updates and if needed completely replace
the software in the future using the same hardware. I also like the thought
of having one platform that I could use for 2.4, 5.x and 900 in the future.
What I am worried about is going through the hassle of building out all the
CPE's keeping the software up to date and the cost is not all that great. I
also want something that is aesthetically pleasing, rootennas are not all
that attractive. I am also looking for something to put up and forget about.

Demarc stuff looks pretty nice and the price is not bad but I had heard of
some reliability issues in the past, they may have all been taken care of by
now though. I also had a hard time getting a hold of anyone there in the
past when I was considering making a purchase. This may have changed also
its been a while since I called.

Canopy looks attractive do to the one brand all bands and the pricing is
tolerable. I am not sure I like being stuck with Vert polarity, its noisy
here and it kind of scares me going with proprietary equipment.

The Trango 2.4, not really sure why I put this down because it really
doesn't seem competitive cost wise. I am interested in what type of
performance people are getting out of them though and how they are doing in
noisy environments. The 900 is not all that great when it is noisy in my
experience.

I am interested in the waverider for one particular residential area that
would be very nice to have a preconfigured radio for someone to pick up and
do a self install indoors. Getting rid of a truck roll and having to have
something on the outside of the home.

Also looking for a backhaul to try besides the link-10 from trango. Would
like to find something in the 5.8 band with similar throughputand latency of
trango for the same or less $$. This is another reason I thought about MT,
StarOs, Demarc stuff was for multiple radios on the same board so the AP and
BH could be the same piece of hardware and software.

Just looking for some comments in general about the different options and
why you did/didn't pick one over the other.

Thanks,
Chadd


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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:33 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Interested in your experience..


What are you using now? What are you trying to accomplish? The first 3
you list are all 802.11a/b/g the last 3 are all proprietary. There are
people on this list for every different system you just described, not
sure how many people have used them all. I have used StarOS, Mikrotik,
and Motorola 5.7 and 2.4




Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com



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