RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-30 Thread Brian Webster
Matt,
Is it possible to get a complete address list from them or maybe a lat 
long
list. If you have this from any others such as WilTel then I can start
combining this information on to one map. The end result of this will be a
web based map application where you can see what is available all in one
spot. This map will allow you to zoom and pan any way you need to. It seems
like we have some good interest in this idea if we can just start pulling
together some real data. These maps like the XO one are good but they don't
give me the data I need to create the comprehensive map.
If anyone else had similar type data where they are able to get cheap
bandwidth share the information. Even if it is just one site you know of it
will help populate the map, eventually we can get a nice big picture of the
whole country. Once that is known you can start figuring out if it will be
possible to serve your networks with wireless backhaul.



Thank You,
Brian Webster


-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE


Find the closest POP to you on their map and let me know. I can get the
address from XO, so you can do a path analysis and determine if you can
do wireless to their roof. Their buildings are generally only 2 stories.

-Matt

Jory Privett wrote:

I have seen the map.  My question is exactly where are they  and how do I
gain access to them?  Copper and Fiber are out of the question for me
because of ILEC pricing so I would have to have some type of wireless link.

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE


XO's map is available at their web site.

-Matt

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:



Is there a list so we can all see the locations?  Are you able to get
principal members of WISPA any deals?

Brian

Jory Privett wrote:



I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is in my
area.

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE


We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other things
can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their switches.

-Matt

Anthony Will wrote:





In central MN here also.   I would be very interested in a project
such as this.  This is the ONLY way we will truly survive.  I am
currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain access
to cheap pipes.  Hopefully we will end up in XO's or calpops CO.

See how easy it is to get something like this started.  I know that I
am south of Mike.  I also know that two other WISPs are south of me
all the way to Iowa.  Now if we can get those guys on board anyone in
Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make this real.  NOW from
Illanios it really opens up.  I am an old friend to an operation
on the west side of Chicago connected to Equinix, one of the largest
carriers hotels in the nation.  Now with all the wisps together we
could easily afford an OCx and get some real pricing.  And with
everyone sharing in the expense we could make this licensed equipment
for a rock solid backbone for all of our networks.

Anthony Will
Ruralnet Inc.
www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site.  We are in
process of completely reworking a new site.)


Mike Bushard Jr wrote:





I'm in, Central MN

Mike Bushard Jr
Reliable Internet Services
1st Rate Computers

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

Hi Brian,
   Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got
quite
loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to
map out
in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's,
fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could
be from
any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to
sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have,
we can
map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and
long or
street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will
map it
and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how
far away


from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a


way to
bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get
regional
groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping
can
have clickable information about each site if that is included in the
data
sent.
   If this starts to take off the idea was suggested

Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-29 Thread Matt Liotta
Looks like Wiltell is close to you. We have a wholesale agreement with 
them as well.


-Matt

Blair Davis wrote:


Nice map.  Nothing anywhere near me, of course... :-(

Matt Liotta wrote:


XO's map is available at their web site.

-Matt

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

Is there a list so we can all see the locations?  Are you able to 
get principal members of WISPA any deals?


Brian

Jory Privett wrote:

I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is in 
my area.


Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE


We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other 
things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their 
switches.


-Matt

Anthony Will wrote:

 

In central MN here also.   I would be very interested in a project 
such as this.  This is the ONLY way we will truly survive.  I am 
currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain 
access to cheap pipes.  Hopefully we will end up in XO's or 
calpops CO.


See how easy it is to get something like this started.  I know 
that I am south of Mike.  I also know that two other WISPs are 
south of me all the way to Iowa.  Now if we can get those guys on 
board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make 
this real.  NOW from Illanios it really opens up.  I am an old 
friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected to 
Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation.  Now 
with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and get 
some real pricing.  And with everyone sharing in the expense we 
could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone for 
all of our networks.


Anthony Will
Ruralnet Inc.
www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site.  We are 
in process of completely reworking a new site.)



Mike Bushard Jr wrote:

 


I'm in, Central MN

Mike Bushard Jr
Reliable Internet Services
1st Rate Computers

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

Hi Brian,
   Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got
quite
loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time 
to map out
in one location all of the data people send me with locations of 
POP's,
fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This 
could be from
any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have 
bandwidth to
sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they 
have, we can
map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat 
and long or
street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I 
will map it
and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see 
how far away
from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out 
a way to
bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get 
regional
groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The 
mapping can
have clickable information about each site if that is included in 
the data

sent.
   If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a national
group or
co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or 
company could
not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many 
ideas and
issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread 
started on all
of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to 
cheap
bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc 
backbone for
the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please 
send me an
email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a 
distribution list
for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to 
have an
online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who 
were in the
session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die 
because
everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope 
someone else will

get it going.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
Free World Dialup #481416


-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering


I was told to bring this up after WiNog.  Well...

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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-29 Thread Matt Liotta
I wouldn't consider myself a fan of XO and we don't buy lines from them. 
We only buy PRIs and DS3s.


-Matt

Forbes Mercy wrote:


Matt,

I don't know how you can be such a fan of XO's.  We just bought an ISP that has service through 
them.  They charge portability and FCC charges on EVERY line which is not required by law but also 
isn't done by any other phone company.  It adds nearly $8 per line which really adds up.  I asked 
them to justify it and they said my favorite corporate line It's just our policy but 
they added even if it's not correct.   What a weird thing to say.  Sure they are way 
more dependable than companies like Eschelon/ATG and more honest than NTI but with taxes that 
aren't necessary they aren't much better than Qwest.

Forbes Mercy
CEO - Washington Broadband, Inc.
www.wabroadband.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(509) 853-0858


-Original Message-
From:   Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Mon 8/29/2005 9:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: 
Subject:Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE
XO's map is available at their web site.

-Matt

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 

Is there a list so we can all see the locations?  Are you able to get 
principal members of WISPA any deals?


Brian

Jory Privett wrote:

   


I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is in my area.

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE


We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other things 
can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their switches.


-Matt

Anthony Will wrote:



 

In central MN here also.   I would be very interested in a project 
such as this.  This is the ONLY way we will truly survive.  I am 
currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain access 
to cheap pipes.  Hopefully we will end up in XO's or calpops CO.


See how easy it is to get something like this started.  I know that I 
am south of Mike.  I also know that two other WISPs are south of me 
all the way to Iowa.  Now if we can get those guys on board anyone in 
Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make this real.  NOW from 
Illanios it really opens up.  I am an old friend to an operation 
on the west side of Chicago connected to Equinix, one of the largest 
carriers hotels in the nation.  Now with all the wisps together we 
could easily afford an OCx and get some real pricing.  And with 
everyone sharing in the expense we could make this licensed equipment 
for a rock solid backbone for all of our networks.


Anthony Will
Ruralnet Inc.
www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site.  We are in 
process of completely reworking a new site.)



Mike Bushard Jr wrote:

  

   


I'm in, Central MN

Mike Bushard Jr
Reliable Internet Services
1st Rate Computers

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

Hi Brian,
  Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got
quite
loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to 
map out

in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's,
fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could 
be from

any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to
sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, 
we can
map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and 
long or
street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will 
map it
and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how 
far away
 

from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a 
   


way to
bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get 
regional

groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can
have clickable information about each site if that is included in the 
data

sent.
  If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a national
group or
co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or company 
could

not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many ideas and
issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread started 
on all

of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to cheap
bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc 
backbone for
the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please send 
me an
email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a distribution 
list

for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to have an
online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who were 
in the

session. Just like most

Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-29 Thread Matt Liotta

We got roof rights at Level3's regens, but we lease dark fiber.

-Matt

Jeromie Reeves wrote:

I can get LVL3 and Wiltel to do it but only at a OC3 commit. Roof 
rights are iffy as the hut is own by ATT and
they STILL claim not to own this fiber route. LVL3 says they do (and 
lease 2 pair running OC-192's on them).
Wonder what DF will cost, to bad they dont terminate where i need them 
to.


Jeromie Reeves


Matt Liotta wrote:

Nope; In fact, I have never run into any carrier that would do that. 
All the dark fiber we lease we get roof rights at every regen.


-Matt

Jeromie Reeves wrote:

Are you able to get XO to break out at a fiber hut where (according 
to the map) they have fiber but no POP?



Jeromie Reeves

Matt Liotta wrote:

We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other 
things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their 
switches.


-Matt

Anthony Will wrote:

In central MN here also.   I would be very interested in a project 
such as this.  This is the ONLY way we will truly survive.  I am 
currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain 
access to cheap pipes.  Hopefully we will end up in XO's or 
calpops CO.


See how easy it is to get something like this started.  I know 
that I am south of Mike.  I also know that two other WISPs are 
south of me all the way to Iowa.  Now if we can get those guys on 
board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make 
this real.  NOW from Illanios it really opens up.  I am an old 
friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected to 
Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation.  Now 
with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and get 
some real pricing.  And with everyone sharing in the expense we 
could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone for 
all of our networks.


Anthony Will
Ruralnet Inc.
www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site.  We are 
in process of completely reworking a new site.)



Mike Bushard Jr wrote:


I'm in, Central MN

Mike Bushard Jr
Reliable Internet Services
1st Rate Computers

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

Hi Brian,
Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It 
got

quite
loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time 
to map out
in one location all of the data people send me with locations of 
POP's,
fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This 
could be from
any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have 
bandwidth to
sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they 
have, we can
map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat 
and long or
street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I 
will map it
and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see 
how far away
from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out 
a way to
bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get 
regional
groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The 
mapping can
have clickable information about each site if that is included in 
the data

sent.
If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a 
national

group or
co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or 
company could
not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many 
ideas and
issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread 
started on all
of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to 
cheap
bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc 
backbone for
the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please 
send me an
email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a 
distribution list
for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to 
have an
online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who 
were in the
session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die 
because
everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope 
someone else will

get it going.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
Free World Dialup #481416


-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering


I was told to bring this up after WiNog.  Well...

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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-29 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I know of a big huge red microwave tower near me.  Al at AT said is it 
not active.  It used to be a main trunk to Chicago.  Any chance of fiber 
at this place???  What do they do when they take down the microwave 
links?  Run fiber?


http://www.americantower.com/OASISPublic/SitePublicPage/SiteBrochure.asp?lngSiteID=220lngTowerID=-1txtCaption=Brochure

It is only 8 miles north of my POP.

Brian

Jeromie Reeves wrote:

I can get LVL3 and Wiltel to do it but only at a OC3 commit. Roof 
rights are iffy as the hut is own by ATT and
they STILL claim not to own this fiber route. LVL3 says they do (and 
lease 2 pair running OC-192's on them).
Wonder what DF will cost, to bad they dont terminate where i need them 
to.


Jeromie Reeves


Matt Liotta wrote:

Nope; In fact, I have never run into any carrier that would do that. 
All the dark fiber we lease we get roof rights at every regen.


-Matt

Jeromie Reeves wrote:

Are you able to get XO to break out at a fiber hut where (according 
to the map) they have fiber but no POP?



Jeromie Reeves

Matt Liotta wrote:

We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other 
things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their 
switches.


-Matt

Anthony Will wrote:

In central MN here also.   I would be very interested in a project 
such as this.  This is the ONLY way we will truly survive.  I am 
currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain 
access to cheap pipes.  Hopefully we will end up in XO's or 
calpops CO.


See how easy it is to get something like this started.  I know 
that I am south of Mike.  I also know that two other WISPs are 
south of me all the way to Iowa.  Now if we can get those guys on 
board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make 
this real.  NOW from Illanios it really opens up.  I am an old 
friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected to 
Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation.  Now 
with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and get 
some real pricing.  And with everyone sharing in the expense we 
could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone for 
all of our networks.


Anthony Will
Ruralnet Inc.
www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site.  We are 
in process of completely reworking a new site.)



Mike Bushard Jr wrote:


I'm in, Central MN

Mike Bushard Jr
Reliable Internet Services
1st Rate Computers

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

Hi Brian,
Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It 
got

quite
loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time 
to map out
in one location all of the data people send me with locations of 
POP's,
fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This 
could be from
any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have 
bandwidth to
sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they 
have, we can
map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat 
and long or
street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I 
will map it
and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see 
how far away
from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out 
a way to
bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get 
regional
groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The 
mapping can
have clickable information about each site if that is included in 
the data

sent.
If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a 
national

group or
co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or 
company could
not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many 
ideas and
issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread 
started on all
of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to 
cheap
bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc 
backbone for
the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please 
send me an
email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a 
distribution list
for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to 
have an
online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who 
were in the
session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die 
because
everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope 
someone else will

get it going.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
Free World Dialup #481416


-Original Message-
From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering


I was told to bring this up after WiNog.  Well...

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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-29 Thread Tom DeReggi



I'd also like to mention XO is our friend. 
They posted an excellent filing in support of 3650 for contention based 
non-exclusive licensing in favor of WISPs.

Tom DeReggiRapidDSL  Wireless, Inc

IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Brian 
  Rohrbacher 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:33 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - 
  WISPBONE
  Is there a list so we can all see the locations? Are you 
  able to get principal members of WISPA any deals?BrianJory 
  Privett wrote: 
  I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is in my area.

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Liotta" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE


We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other things 
can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their switches.

-Matt

Anthony Will wrote:

  
In central MN here also.   I would be very interested in a project 
such as this.  This is the ONLY way we will truly survive.  I am 
currently working on a way to get into the Metro area to gain access 
to cheap pipes.  Hopefully we will end up in XO's or calpops CO.

See how easy it is to get something like this started.  I know that I 
am south of Mike.  I also know that two other WISPs are south of me 
all the way to Iowa.  Now if we can get those guys on board anyone in 
Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make this real.  NOW from 
Illanios it really opens up.  I am an old friend to an operation 
on the west side of Chicago connected to Equinix, one of the largest 
carriers hotels in the nation.  Now with all the wisps together we 
could easily afford an OCx and get some real pricing.  And with 
everyone sharing in the expense we could make this licensed equipment 
for a rock solid backbone for all of our networks.

Anthony Will
Ruralnet Inc.
www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site.  We are in 
process of completely reworking a new site.)


Mike Bushard Jr wrote:


  I'm in, Central MN

Mike Bushard Jr
Reliable Internet Services
1st Rate Computers

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

Hi Brian,
Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got
quite
loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to 
map out
in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's,
fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could 
be from
any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to
sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, 
we can
map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and 
long or
street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will 
map it
and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how 
far away
from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a 
way to
bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get 
regional
groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can
have clickable information about each site if that is included in the 
data
sent.
If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a national
group or
co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or company 
could
not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many ideas and
issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread started 
on all
of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to cheap
bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc 
backbone for
the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please send 
me an
email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a distribution 
list
for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to have an
online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who were 
in the
session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die because
everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope someone 
else will
get it going.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
Free World Dialup #481416


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From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering


I was told to bring this up after WiNog.  Well...

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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-29 Thread Jory Privett
I would love a deal like this!

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE


Thanks.  Best offer I have now is $1200/month for 5Mbit with a $3000
setup.  Also, 6 months to get setup.

With that pricing, I'm sure you see why I am jealous of $25/Mbit that
some guys get

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Hey Blair,
 Hit me up if there is anything we can work on together with this whole 
 project.  I think Michwave has fiber in Grand Rapids...

 Blair Davis wrote:

 Nice map.  Nothing anywhere near me, of course... :-(

 Matt Liotta wrote:

 XO's map is available at their web site.

 -Matt

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 Is there a list so we can all see the locations?  Are you able to 
 get principal members of WISPA any deals?

 Brian

 Jory Privett wrote:

 I would be interested in finding out if one of there switches is 
 in my area.

 Jory Privett
 WCCS

 - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE


 We have a national wholesale agreement with XO, which among other 
 things can get us very low cost colo and roof rights at their 
 switches.

 -Matt

 Anthony Will wrote:

  

 In central MN here also.   I would be very interested in a 
 project such as this.  This is the ONLY way we will truly 
 survive.  I am currently working on a way to get into the Metro 
 area to gain access to cheap pipes.  Hopefully we will end up in 
 XO's or calpops CO.

 See how easy it is to get something like this started.  I know 
 that I am south of Mike.  I also know that two other WISPs are 
 south of me all the way to Iowa.  Now if we can get those guys on 
 board anyone in Iowa or Illanios is likely close enough to make 
 this real.  NOW from Illanios it really opens up.  I am an 
 old friend to an operation on the west side of Chicago connected 
 to Equinix, one of the largest carriers hotels in the nation.  
 Now with all the wisps together we could easily afford an OCx and 
 get some real pricing.  And with everyone sharing in the expense 
 we could make this licensed equipment for a rock solid backbone 
 for all of our networks.

 Anthony Will
 Ruralnet Inc.
 www.veryfastinternet.com (please excuse the cheesy site.  We are 
 in process of completely reworking a new site.)


 Mike Bushard Jr wrote:

  

 I'm in, Central MN

 Mike Bushard Jr
 Reliable Internet Services
 1st Rate Computers

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brian Webster
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

 Hi Brian,
Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It 
 got
 quite
 loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate 
 time to map out
 in one location all of the data people send me with locations of 
 POP's,
 fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This 
 could be from
 any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have 
 bandwidth to
 sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they 
 have, we can
 map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat 
 and long or
 street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I 
 will map it
 and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see 
 how far away
 from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out 
 a way to
 bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to 
 get regional
 groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The 
 mapping can
 have clickable information about each site if that is included 
 in the data
 sent.
If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a 
 national
 group or
 co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or 
 company could
 not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many 
 ideas and
 issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread 
 started on all
 of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to 
 cheap
 bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc 
 backbone for
 the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please 
 send me an
 email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a 
 distribution list
 for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to 
 have an
 online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who 
 were in the
 session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die 
 because
 everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope 
 someone else will
 get it going.



 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
 Free World Dialup #481416


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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering

2005-08-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

I was told to bring this up after WiNog.  Well...

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RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-25 Thread Brian Webster
Hi Brian,
Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got quite
loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out
in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's,
fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could be from
any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to
sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, we can
map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and long or
street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will map it
and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how far away
from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a way to
bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get regional
groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can
have clickable information about each site if that is included in the data
sent.
If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a national group 
or
co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or company could
not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many ideas and
issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread started on all
of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to cheap
bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc backbone for
the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please send me an
email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a distribution list
for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to have an
online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who were in the
session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die because
everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope someone else will
get it going.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
Free World Dialup #481416


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From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering


I was told to bring this up after WiNog.  Well...

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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering

2005-08-25 Thread Jory Privett
I am in if anyone else is in Texas

Jory Privett
WCCS

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I was told to bring this up after WiNog.  Well...

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RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

2005-08-25 Thread Mike Bushard Jr
I'm in, Central MN

Mike Bushard Jr
Reliable Internet Services
1st Rate Computers

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBONE

Hi Brian,
Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got
quite
loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out
in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's,
fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. This could be from
any source like fiber (lit or dark) or companies that have bandwidth to
sell. If there are WISP's who want to share the backbones they have, we can
map them too. I basically just need a list of locations by lat and long or
street address. If I can get enough different sources of data I will map it
and make it available on line. The idea is that WISP's can see how far away
from cheap backhaul they really are and then they can figure out a way to
bring it to their location. This could also serve as a way to get regional
groups together to build a mutually beneficial backbone. The mapping can
have clickable information about each site if that is included in the data
sent.
If this starts to take off the idea was suggested that a national
group or
co-op be formed to manage this backbone so that one person or company could
not bring down or segment part of the network. There were many ideas and
issues brought up about this. I don't want to get this thread started on all
of that. I really just want to see where were are with access to cheap
bandwidth and how we might be able to stitch together an ad hoc backbone for
the time being. Anyone who is interested in this project please send me an
email with WISPBONE in the subject line. I will create a distribution list
for now and if we get it going we can set up a list somewhere to have an
online forum. To date I have no input from any of the people who were in the
session. Just like most of these good ideas, I feel it will die because
everyone is too busy with their own business and they hope someone else will
get it going.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
Free World Dialup #481416


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From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering


I was told to bring this up after WiNog.  Well...

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RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering

2005-08-14 Thread Brian Webster
There is a session at WiNOG called WISPBONE and it is going to try an
address this topic. We'll keep you posted after the show to see if there is
any real interest. The basic idea is to see who wants to play and let their
backbone be part of it, then map out all the parties and their links. After
that we add all the major fiber players who have serious backhaul POPs that
we could get access to. Hopefully this will show a large network nationwide.
It may just be a pipe dream but we hope to get people interested in the
idea. Who knows, with the right players there may be close to the nationwide
link. It sure would be nice to eliminate the RBOCS. I remember back in the
early cellular days, the way they were able to finally deliver calls from
one market to the other was to link in the neighboring systems, once they
did that they magically had a nationwide network. If we map out all the WISP
players, we might show close to the same concept. There would have to be
many other details hammered out, but if we can show a good start to this
network it may give enough people interest to make it a reality.


Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com



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Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:26 PM
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Any thoughts on this?  It was talked about at WiNog 1, but not too much
since.  Are we working on getting connected from sea to shining sea?
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