[WISPA] Re: Hard truths (was TV white spaces)

2007-02-06 Thread Steve Stroh


John:

It's a hard truth that any industry association defacto represents  
their ENTIRE industry... not just the ones who deign to become dues- 
paying members of that industry association. In the eyes of  
lawmakers, regulators, the public, investors, analysts, etc., if  
WISPA purports to represent the WISP industry, it must be prepared to  
speak about, and be knowledgeable of, the ENTIRE WISP industry, even  
those participants of an industry that a formal association such as  
WISPA would simply rather NOT even acknowledge the existence of.


It's NOT one vendor's job, no matter how fundamentally important to a  
particular industry, to try to police the other vendors in an  
industry. If government will not police the bad players, then it  
falls to industry groups such as WISPA, and WISPA could easily do  
such a thing by maintaining an annually updated recommended systems  
list available to all. For a vendor's products to be on that list  
would be somewhat rigorous, having to document that their system  
meets all relevant regulations. A favorite product doesn't make the  
list? Maybe there's a reason why, and a prospective user of such a  
system is given considerable pause.


In my opinion, based on nearly TEN years of following the WISP  
industry nearly from its inception, I think Patrick considerably  
understates the case about many... (I won't go quite as far as to say  
most) WISPs not being compliant with FCC rules, even the recently  
liberalized rules that permit mixing and matching of antennas. One  
can gather ample evidence of this just from comments made on this list.


Finally... if there is ANYONE the WISP industry that has earned the  
right to speak such hard truths, it is Patrick Leary. Patrick has  
been a TIRELESS, FEARLESS, INCREDIBLY VALUABLE advocate for the WISP  
industry, especially in its formative years. He has personally  
advocated on behalf of the WISP industry to government personnel as  
high as FCC Chairman Powell, as well as promoting the WISP industry  
to investors, legislators, officials of other countries... and by  
dint of his personal influence, Alvarion itself, and by that example,  
a number of other vendors that build products for the WISP industry.


Don't like to hear such hard truths? Don't listen then. You all have  
the ability to filter out dissenting voices such as Patrick, and me.  
But if you all believe what you claim, that you're trying to build an  
association that truly represents the WISP industry and what it  
ultimately has the potential to become... the hard, unpleasant truths  
have to be addressed and dealt with... not just ignore them and hope  
they won't be noticed. They WILL be noticed, and are now being  
noticed by the WISP industry's increasingly serious competition -  
newly-clueful telcos with new Broadband Wireless technology, cellular  
carriers, municipal wireless / Wi-Fi vendors and operators, satellite  
service providers, and new entrants such as Clearwire. Such entities  
may not be a threat to the WISP industry as a whole quite yet...  
but it wasn't too long ago that WISPs weren't a threat to them either.


There are days when I just shake my head alternately in wonderment  
and dismay at the WISP industry. This is one of them.



Thanks,

Steve


On Feb 6, 2007, at Feb 6  12:47 PM, John Scrivner wrote:

Patrick, what is Alvarion doing as a corporation to police the  
majority of BWIA vendors who now pollute our industry with  
uncertified gear? These are your peers. Do you like being  
stereotyped with them?


Your stereotyping of WISP operators as being predominantly illegal  
and the source of the problem is not accurate or fair and I want it  
to stop. The majority of the WISPs out there are trying to do  
right. It is the vendors who are the real problem. The majority of  
vendors ignore the law. The last gear purchase I made was for an  
Alvarion B100 backhaul link which is due in here today. It is  
certified but now I wonder if buying from a vendor who stereotypes  
the industry is a good idea. Maybe I made a mistake buying from  
your company?


By the way, the slam about 4.9 GHz is completely erroneous and you  
need to apologize. The vast majority of WISPs stay the hell away  
from 4.9 and other bands which we are not allowed in. You need to  
watch your tack on this public list. Being a paid vendor member  
does not give you the right to sling mud or FUD.

Scriv



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Re: [WISPA] Re: Hard truths (was TV white spaces)

2007-02-06 Thread Rich Comroe
Amen, and well said.  There is a lot that an industry org can do in this 
respect.  I'm familiar with APCO and find many similarities.  (key: APCO = 
Association of Publicsafety Communications Officials ... www.apcointl.org)  
Here's some examples.  
  1.. Speak for the industry to the FCC.  APCO's board forms committees that 
respond under APCO's name to all FCC inquiries.  Wispa seems to be doing 
alright in this regard by volunteer effort rather than organization.
  2.. Set positions to its membership on FCC issues.  I hear the wispa 
leadership expressing their opinions on things like the FCC forms.  Are they 
speaking for themselves, or are they speaking an officially formulated position 
for wispa?  If wispa has set a position on these FCC forms, are their positions 
found on a website?  Does wispa have a procedure to formulate an official 
position?  I sense wispa's growing into this role.
  3.. I think Steve Stroh is right on the money regarding recommended 
systems.  APCO for example plays a major role in this regard.  Wispa could 
create official positions on what equipment is approved (legal), what is not, 
etc.  APCO goes further, establishing a role of influence regarding desired.  
For example, while there's no way to deny how much the standards such as 
802.11h  WiMAX may influence wisps, but is there any formulating participation 
under wispa's name?  APCO goes much further taking a leadership role in the 
formulation of equipment standards for their recommended use.  Every city is 
free to purchase and deploy any equipment they choose.  But APCO established a 
position on interoperability 10 years ago (I was a participant) and ultimately 
I think the new Democratic congress will budget some federal money for 
inon-interoperable deployed systems to be replaced with APCO's recommendation 
as one of the previously unfunded recommendations of the 9/11 committee.  The 
moral of this story is that when there's federal money being earmarked for 
broadband it's vital that wispa have a position (not just voices of volunteer 
membership).
I recognize that this isn't necessarily a fair comparison.  APCO had a source 
of income to draw on (frequency coordinator for public safety systems) beyond 
simple membership dues.  It's tough when participation of all members is 
essentially unpaid overtime.  Wispa is more like ASNA in this respect (American 
SMR Network Association ... an industry association of Specialized Mobile Radio 
operators ... very much like wisps).  I just wanted to chime-in support of 
Steve's observations of what he suggests wispa might do in regards to setting 
positions on equipment.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Stroh 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:12 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Re: Hard truths (was TV white spaces)



  John:

  It's a hard truth that any industry association defacto represents  
  their ENTIRE industry... not just the ones who deign to become dues- 
  paying members of that industry association. In the eyes of  
  lawmakers, regulators, the public, investors, analysts, etc., if  
  WISPA purports to represent the WISP industry, it must be prepared to  
  speak about, and be knowledgeable of, the ENTIRE WISP industry, even  
  those participants of an industry that a formal association such as  
  WISPA would simply rather NOT even acknowledge the existence of.

  It's NOT one vendor's job, no matter how fundamentally important to a  
  particular industry, to try to police the other vendors in an  
  industry. If government will not police the bad players, then it  
  falls to industry groups such as WISPA, and WISPA could easily do  
  such a thing by maintaining an annually updated recommended systems  
  list available to all. For a vendor's products to be on that list  
  would be somewhat rigorous, having to document that their system  
  meets all relevant regulations. A favorite product doesn't make the  
  list? Maybe there's a reason why, and a prospective user of such a  
  system is given considerable pause.

  In my opinion, based on nearly TEN years of following the WISP  
  industry nearly from its inception, I think Patrick considerably  
  understates the case about many... (I won't go quite as far as to say  
  most) WISPs not being compliant with FCC rules, even the recently  
  liberalized rules that permit mixing and matching of antennas. One  
  can gather ample evidence of this just from comments made on this list.

  Finally... if there is ANYONE the WISP industry that has earned the  
  right to speak such hard truths, it is Patrick Leary. Patrick has  
  been a TIRELESS, FEARLESS, INCREDIBLY VALUABLE advocate for the WISP  
  industry, especially in its formative years. He has personally  
  advocated on behalf of the WISP industry to government personnel as  
  high as FCC Chairman Powell, as well as promoting the WISP industry  
  to investors, legislators, officials of other countries