RE: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput
Canopy 900 has close to 4 Mb of aggregate *REAL* thoughput now in 2x mode -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput I do not think you will find any 900 Mhz 2M X 2M solutions out there that will scale well. I use Waverider and it works really well for my service. I offer two plans. 768K and 256K up and down. I can get about 70 to 100 clients per sector with Waverider running this way. I think the polling MAC in Waverider keeps the max speed per client at about 1.5 meg up and down. If I have someone needing 2M or more I sell them a connection to my Trango AP. Scriv Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Anyone with real-world experience with them? I sell 2M X 2M connections... will WR gear keep up with this, and what is the maximum available real throughput? Not radio rates, but real-world throughput? North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! --- - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput
I take it from this post regarding Canopy that the other systems you tested were not as much speed? Waverider has more aggregate throughput than what each client individually will get because of polling. So maybe three Waverider clients running at full speed could be the same as Canopy aggregate? I just don't know. I do believe that Waverider aggregate max is about 3 meg per sector. If you want to compare then let us see what you have seen for all the systems you have tested. Let's compare apples to apples. Canopy allows one single client to use full aggregate speed while Waverider does not as far as I know. I believe this is a matter of design choice and not a limitation in Waverider. I could be wrong but I am certain I was told this by Waverider representatives in the past. I welcome your input. I do not know what other systems use for site survey tools but Waverider has an incredible spectrum analyzer tool which develops a spectrum scan readout of the entire 900 Mhz band. This is a full color chart in PDF format created in the CCU itself. It works fantastic and helps identify any possible interference right away. I am very satisfied with the Waverider systems we have in place. We currently are running 4 towers of Waverider. Two of them have omni's. One has two sectors and another has three sectors. We have about 230 Waverider customers online right now. They are the most reliable wireless systems we have online. Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Canopy 900 has close to 4 Mb of aggregate *REAL* thoughput now in 2x mode -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput I do not think you will find any 900 Mhz 2M X 2M solutions out there that will scale well. I use Waverider and it works really well for my service. I offer two plans. 768K and 256K up and down. I can get about 70 to 100 clients per sector with Waverider running this way. I think the polling MAC in Waverider keeps the max speed per client at about 1.5 meg up and down. If I have someone needing 2M or more I sell them a connection to my Trango AP. Scriv Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Anyone with real-world experience with them? I sell 2M X 2M connections... will WR gear keep up with this, and what is the maximum available real throughput? Not radio rates, but real-world throughput? North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! --- - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput
Canopy claimed long and loud about real aggregate throughput. However, last February Moto put out an application note that discloses real Canopy aggregate throughput will be significantly less with short packet traffic, while claiming that real internet traffic would never be short enough to be of concern. I did an informal survey of packet length distributions from 4 different wisp systems that volunteered and found that average packet lengths were short enough to cause significant Canopy capacity loss ... according to Canopy's own application note, real aggregate throughput may be as low as only 1/10th of the advertised aggregate throughput. No clarification has ever been offered to help project actual throughput given your average packet length traffic profile, but I'd be skeptical of real Canopy aggregate throughputs as real traffic seems skewed towards short packet lengths (more-so with VPN VoIP traffic). All systems may also have real-traffic capacity loses, but I don't believe the 802.11 physical systems will lose capacity due to the fixed slot sizes as Canopy employs (I think all the 802.11 systems utilize variable length transmissions over-the-air). According to the Moto application note, short packet length suffers a significant capacity loss to Canopy due to their fixed length slots over-the-air. I'm not familiar with Waverider's physical to offer any comparison. Can anyone? Rich - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput I take it from this post regarding Canopy that the other systems you tested were not as much speed? Waverider has more aggregate throughput than what each client individually will get because of polling. So maybe three Waverider clients running at full speed could be the same as Canopy aggregate? I just don't know. I do believe that Waverider aggregate max is about 3 meg per sector. If you want to compare then let us see what you have seen for all the systems you have tested. Let's compare apples to apples. Canopy allows one single client to use full aggregate speed while Waverider does not as far as I know. I believe this is a matter of design choice and not a limitation in Waverider. I could be wrong but I am certain I was told this by Waverider representatives in the past. I welcome your input. I do not know what other systems use for site survey tools but Waverider has an incredible spectrum analyzer tool which develops a spectrum scan readout of the entire 900 Mhz band. This is a full color chart in PDF format created in the CCU itself. It works fantastic and helps identify any possible interference right away. I am very satisfied with the Waverider systems we have in place. We currently are running 4 towers of Waverider. Two of them have omni's. One has two sectors and another has three sectors. We have about 230 Waverider customers online right now. They are the most reliable wireless systems we have online. Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Canopy 900 has close to 4 Mb of aggregate *REAL* thoughput now in 2x mode -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput I do not think you will find any 900 Mhz 2M X 2M solutions out there that will scale well. I use Waverider and it works really well for my service. I offer two plans. 768K and 256K up and down. I can get about 70 to 100 clients per sector with Waverider running this way. I think the polling MAC in Waverider keeps the max speed per client at about 1.5 meg up and down. If I have someone needing 2M or more I sell them a connection to my Trango AP. Scriv Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Anyone with real-world experience with them? I sell 2M X 2M connections... will WR gear keep up with this, and what is the maximum available real throughput? Not radio rates, but real-world throughput? North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! --- - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput
I take it from this post regarding Canopy that the other systems you tested were not as much speed? Yes If you want to compare then let us see what you have seen for all the systems you have tested. Let's compare apples to apples. We have already done that -Charles -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput
Please keep private show only emails off list unless you have data to share with the group. Scriv Charles Wu wrote: Hi Dylan, We are working on gathering all the presentations Trust me, with our testing, there is A LOT of behind the scenes wrangling (including bitching/threats from losing manufacturers) that goes on -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com http://www.wispnog.com/ August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dylan Oliver *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:31 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Waverider 900 mhz throughput Regarding which, when will the reports on 900 MHz et al be released to attendees of the conference? Wondering what to do with my waverider given new dedication to Moto... ooh, I think I'll coin a new term: Moto Ho -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
