RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look

2006-06-17 Thread tonylist



Brad
 
I am glad I was able to clear this up. Also which company 
where you referring to with a $300 WiMax CPE at 5GHz??
 

Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc 
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LarsonSent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:16 AMTo: 'WISPA 
General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out 
there if you look


Tony, Your original 
post was misleading. 
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:18 
PMTo: 'WISPA General 
List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] 
Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you 
look
 
Brad
 
- My point with issue 
was not about the contention it was just a general statement where any one doing 
or looking at manufacturing WiMax is not doing anything today with 3.65Ghz. I am 
sure this will change.
- Again my comments 
where about RF, the same power limits are there and no mater what is done with 
the modulation you can not change physics. Also the features you list below are 
great but are based on a licensed design to really use the performance. When you 
try to put two WiMax (today's standard) systems in the same area there are 
issues that the protocol does not fix and performances is about the same as 
system on the market today. 
- You are 100% correct 
802.16h is what is going to make this things work in the 5Ghz and 3.65Mhz bands 
but this is not where we are today and based on the timing of how long it takes 
from draft to certified standards I would be VERY surprised to see this before 
late 2007.  
- FYI for anyone that 
want to keep up on this: http://wirelessman.org/milestones/dev/milestones_dev.html
- Where do you see sub 
$300 CPEs at 5Ghz in small volume? Which company?
 
Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc 
Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 
207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com 

 
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From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad LarsonSent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:42 
AMTo: 'WISPA General 
List'Subject: [WISPA] Wimax 
corrections-The info is out there if you look
A few corrections: 

The issue with 3.650 is 
the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this 
has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times 
that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the 
"contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues 
today.
Wimax "will" do more 
than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz 
increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 
OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM 
solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind 
that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. 

The "current" Wimax 
protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum 
working on a solution called 802.16h.
Expect to see sub $300 
cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here. 
 Brad
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 
AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has 
WIMAX?
 
Few things of 
info:
- 3.5Ghz is not not 
license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with 
WiMax
- WiMax does NOT 
do any mo

RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look

2006-06-16 Thread Brad Larson








Tony, Your original post was misleading. 

 









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Brad

 

- My point with issue was not about the
contention it was just a general statement where any one doing or looking at
manufacturing WiMax is not doing anything today with 3.65Ghz. I am sure this
will change.

- Again my comments where about RF, the
same power limits are there and no mater what is done with the modulation you
can not change physics. Also the features you list below are great but are
based on a licensed design to really use the performance. When you try to put
two WiMax (today's standard) systems in the same area there are issues
that the protocol does not fix and performances is about the same as system on
the market today. 

- You are 100% correct 802.16h is what is
going to make this things work in the 5Ghz and 3.65Mhz bands but this is not
where we are today and based on the timing of how long it takes from draft to
certified standards I would be VERY surprised to see this before late
2007.  

- FYI for anyone that want to keep up on
this: http://wirelessman.org/milestones/dev/milestones_dev.html

- Where do you see sub $300 CPEs at 5Ghz
in small volume? Which company?

 

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 

 

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From:
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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:42
AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Wimax
corrections-The info is out there if you look

A few corrections: 

The issue with 3.650 is the FCC has not
decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and
this has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many
times that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the
"contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues
today.

Wimax "will" do more than
current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz
increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256
OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM
solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind
that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. 

The "current" Wimax protocol is
not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum working on a
solution called 802.16h.

Expect to see sub $300 cpe this
yearsurprise .it's already here.  Brad

 









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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09
AM
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 General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has
WIMAX?



 

Few things of info:

- 3.5Ghz is not not license free in the,
50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with WiMax

- WiMax does NOT do any more at
2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then the products on the market today in reference to RF
not protocol. 

- The WiMax protocol has many cool
features but are based on a model where there is little or no interface. 

- I would not expect to see any WiMax
product near pricing most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I am sure by
then there will be sub $100 CPE using the other standards which will have
most if not all the features WiMax has in the spec.

 

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 

 

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RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look

2006-06-15 Thread tonylist



Brad
 
- My point with issue was not about the contention it was 
just a general statement where any one doing or looking at manufacturing WiMax 
is not doing anything today with 3.65Ghz. I am sure this will 
change.
- Again my comments where about RF, the same power limits 
are there and no mater what is done with the modulation you can not change 
physics. Also the features you list below are great but are based on a licensed 
design to really use the performance. When you try to put two WiMax (today's 
standard) systems in the same area there are issues that the protocol does 
not fix and performances is about the same as system on the market today. 

- You are 100% correct 802.16h is what is going to make 
this things work in the 5Ghz and 3.65Mhz bands but this is not where we are 
today and based on the timing of how long it takes from draft to certified 
standards I would be VERY surprised to see this before late 2007.  

- FYI for anyone that want to keep up on this: http://wirelessman.org/milestones/dev/milestones_dev.html
- Where do you see sub $300 CPEs at 5Ghz in small volume? 
Which company?
 

Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc 
Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad 
LarsonSent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:42 AMTo: 'WISPA 
General List'Subject: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there 
if you look


A few corrections: 

The issue with 3.650 is 
the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this 
has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times 
that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the 
"contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues 
today.
Wimax "will" do more 
than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz 
increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 
OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM 
solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind 
that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. 

The "current" Wimax 
protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum 
working on a solution called 802.16h.
Expect to see sub $300 
cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here. 
 Brad
 




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 
AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has 
WIMAX?
 
Few things of 
info:
- 3.5Ghz is not not 
license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with 
WiMax
- WiMax does NOT 
do any more at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then the products on the market today in 
reference to RF not protocol. 
- The WiMax protocol 
has many cool features but are based on a model where there is little or no 
interface. 
- I would not expect to 
see any WiMax product near pricing most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I 
am sure by then there will be sub $100 CPE using the other standards 
which will have most if not all the features WiMax has in the 
spec.
 
Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc 
Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 
207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com 

 
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From: 
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PMTo: WISPA General Lis

Re: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look

2006-06-13 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Title: Re: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look



On the CPE pricing... Yup, and the only one shipping 5.8 product yet is Airspan. 

-

Jeff



On 6/13/06 6:42 AM, "Brad Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

A few corrections: 
The issue with 3.650 is the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the "contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues today.
Wimax "will" do more than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. 
The "current" Wimax protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum working on a solution called 802.16h.
Expect to see sub $300 cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here.  Brad
 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX?
 
Few things of info:
- 3.5Ghz is not not license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with WiMax
- WiMax does NOT do any more at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then the products on the market today in reference to RF not protocol. 
- The WiMax protocol has many cool features but are based on a model where there is little or no interface. 
- I would not expect to see any WiMax product near pricing most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I am sure by then there will be sub $100 CPE using the other standards which will have most if not all the features WiMax has in the spec.
 
Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com   
 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX?

Why is the 3.5 Wi-Max license free band not approved in the U.S. ???  

 

 

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[WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look

2006-06-13 Thread Brad Larson








A few corrections: 

The issue with 3.650 is the FCC has not
decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue"
and this has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly
many times that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took
the "contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat
continues today.

Wimax "will" do more than current
2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz increased,
packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 OFDM vs 64
OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM
solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind
that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. 

The "current" Wimax protocol
is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum working on
a solution called 802.16h.

Expect to see sub $300 cpe this yearsurprise
.it's already here.  Brad

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09
AM
To: 'WISPA
 General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has
WIMAX?



 

Few things of info:

- 3.5Ghz is not not license free in the,
50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with WiMax

- WiMax does NOT do any more at
2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then the products on the market today in reference to RF
not protocol. 

- The WiMax protocol has many cool
features but are based on a model where there is little or no interface. 

- I would not expect to see any WiMax
product near pricing most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I am sure by
then there will be sub $100 CPE using the other standards which will have
most if not all the features WiMax has in the spec.

 

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008
http://www.demarctech.com 

 

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Zcomax has
WIMAX?



Why is the 3.5 Wi-Max license free band not approved in the U.S. ???  





 





 





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