RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look
Brad I am glad I was able to clear this up. Also which company where you referring to with a $300 WiMax CPE at 5GHz?? Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad LarsonSent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:16 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look Tony, Your original post was misleading. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:18 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look Brad - My point with issue was not about the contention it was just a general statement where any one doing or looking at manufacturing WiMax is not doing anything today with 3.65Ghz. I am sure this will change. - Again my comments where about RF, the same power limits are there and no mater what is done with the modulation you can not change physics. Also the features you list below are great but are based on a licensed design to really use the performance. When you try to put two WiMax (today's standard) systems in the same area there are issues that the protocol does not fix and performances is about the same as system on the market today. - You are 100% correct 802.16h is what is going to make this things work in the 5Ghz and 3.65Mhz bands but this is not where we are today and based on the timing of how long it takes from draft to certified standards I would be VERY surprised to see this before late 2007. - FYI for anyone that want to keep up on this: http://wirelessman.org/milestones/dev/milestones_dev.html - Where do you see sub $300 CPEs at 5Ghz in small volume? Which company? Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad LarsonSent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:42 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look A few corrections: The issue with 3.650 is the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the "contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues today. Wimax "will" do more than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. The "current" Wimax protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum working on a solution called 802.16h. Expect to see sub $300 cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here. Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX? Few things of info: - 3.5Ghz is not not license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with WiMax - WiMax does NOT do any mo
RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look
Tony, Your original post was misleading. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look Brad - My point with issue was not about the contention it was just a general statement where any one doing or looking at manufacturing WiMax is not doing anything today with 3.65Ghz. I am sure this will change. - Again my comments where about RF, the same power limits are there and no mater what is done with the modulation you can not change physics. Also the features you list below are great but are based on a licensed design to really use the performance. When you try to put two WiMax (today's standard) systems in the same area there are issues that the protocol does not fix and performances is about the same as system on the market today. - You are 100% correct 802.16h is what is going to make this things work in the 5Ghz and 3.65Mhz bands but this is not where we are today and based on the timing of how long it takes from draft to certified standards I would be VERY surprised to see this before late 2007. - FYI for anyone that want to keep up on this: http://wirelessman.org/milestones/dev/milestones_dev.html - Where do you see sub $300 CPEs at 5Ghz in small volume? Which company? Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Larson Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look A few corrections: The issue with 3.650 is the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the "contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues today. Wimax "will" do more than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. The "current" Wimax protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum working on a solution called 802.16h. Expect to see sub $300 cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here. Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX? Few things of info: - 3.5Ghz is not not license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with WiMax - WiMax does NOT do any more at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then the products on the market today in reference to RF not protocol. - The WiMax protocol has many cool features but are based on a model where there is little or no interface. - I would not expect to see any WiMax product near pricing most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I am sure by then there will be sub $100 CPE using the other standards which will have most if not all the features WiMax has in the spec. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient
RE: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look
Brad - My point with issue was not about the contention it was just a general statement where any one doing or looking at manufacturing WiMax is not doing anything today with 3.65Ghz. I am sure this will change. - Again my comments where about RF, the same power limits are there and no mater what is done with the modulation you can not change physics. Also the features you list below are great but are based on a licensed design to really use the performance. When you try to put two WiMax (today's standard) systems in the same area there are issues that the protocol does not fix and performances is about the same as system on the market today. - You are 100% correct 802.16h is what is going to make this things work in the 5Ghz and 3.65Mhz bands but this is not where we are today and based on the timing of how long it takes from draft to certified standards I would be VERY surprised to see this before late 2007. - FYI for anyone that want to keep up on this: http://wirelessman.org/milestones/dev/milestones_dev.html - Where do you see sub $300 CPEs at 5Ghz in small volume? Which company? Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad LarsonSent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:42 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look A few corrections: The issue with 3.650 is the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the "contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues today. Wimax "will" do more than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. The "current" Wimax protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum working on a solution called 802.16h. Expect to see sub $300 cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here. Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX? Few things of info: - 3.5Ghz is not not license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with WiMax - WiMax does NOT do any more at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then the products on the market today in reference to RF not protocol. - The WiMax protocol has many cool features but are based on a model where there is little or no interface. - I would not expect to see any WiMax product near pricing most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I am sure by then there will be sub $100 CPE using the other standards which will have most if not all the features WiMax has in the spec. Sincerely, Tony MorellaDemarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution ProviderOffice: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco WirelessSent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:50 PMTo: WISPA General Lis
Re: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look
Title: Re: [WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look On the CPE pricing... Yup, and the only one shipping 5.8 product yet is Airspan. - Jeff On 6/13/06 6:42 AM, "Brad Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A few corrections: The issue with 3.650 is the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the "contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues today. Wimax "will" do more than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. The "current" Wimax protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum working on a solution called 802.16h. Expect to see sub $300 cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here. Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX? Few things of info: - 3.5Ghz is not not license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with WiMax - WiMax does NOT do any more at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then the products on the market today in reference to RF not protocol. - The WiMax protocol has many cool features but are based on a model where there is little or no interface. - I would not expect to see any WiMax product near pricing most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I am sure by then there will be sub $100 CPE using the other standards which will have most if not all the features WiMax has in the spec. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX? Why is the 3.5 Wi-Max license free band not approved in the U.S. ??? -- Brad H On 6/12/06, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.zcom.com.tw/news001.htm -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(192). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wimax corrections-The info is out there if you look
A few corrections: The issue with 3.650 is the FCC has not decided on "ANY" spec. Wimax was never a 3.650 "issue" and this has been corrected time and time again. The FCC has stated publicly many times that Wimax was never overlooked as a platform. The wifi crowd took the "contention based" excerpt to the extreme and the drum beat continues today. Wimax "will" do more than current 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz OFDM products. Just to name a few -Bits per hertz increased, packets per second through the radio increased, Standardization, 256 OFDM vs 64 OFDM and many more differences. And if you're comparing Wimaxed OFDM solutions to DS based systems there are major differences. Please keep in mind that not all pre-Wimax OFDM systems are comparable. The "current" Wimax protocol is not interference resilient. However, there is a body in the forum working on a solution called 802.16h. Expect to see sub $300 cpe this yearsurprise .it's already here. Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX? Few things of info: - 3.5Ghz is not not license free in the, 50Mhz at 3.65 is but there are issue with using this with WiMax - WiMax does NOT do any more at 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz then the products on the market today in reference to RF not protocol. - The WiMax protocol has many cool features but are based on a model where there is little or no interface. - I would not expect to see any WiMax product near pricing most WISP pay today to mid 2007 end 2008. I am sure by then there will be sub $100 CPE using the other standards which will have most if not all the features WiMax has in the spec. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient intended by the sender of this message. This communication may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential or privileged nature of the communication. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please contact the sender by return electronic mail and delete all copies of this communication From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 11:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX? Why is the 3.5 Wi-Max license free band not approved in the U.S. ??? -- Brad H On 6/12/06, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.zcom.com.tw/news001.htm -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(192). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
