RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread David Weddell
I wrote a 5 paragraph response to David as well on this subject, then erased
it all. I am with you Mac and will choose to NOT make any derogatory
comments at all. It just a shame to see all of these government programs
being given to the RBOC's and others that abuse the money. 

Regards from rural Indiana where 35% of our population resides.

Regards,
David Weddell
Director of Sales
 
260 827 2551 Office
800 363 4881  Ext 2551
260 273 7547 Cell
 
www.onlyinternet.net
www.oibw.net
 

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I could take offense pretty easy at most of your comments - - so I will just
choose to NOT make any comments at all :)



Regards from deep in rural Louisiana,

Mac Dearman
Maximum Access, LLC
Rayville, La.
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www.mac-tel.us  (VoIP Sales)
www.radioresponse.org (Katrina Relief)
318.728.8600
318.728.9600
318.303.4181
318.303.4182




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Behalf Of David Sovereen
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:58 AM
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toencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and
government subsidies?  Why should the burden of providing high-speed
Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the
shoulders of taxpayers?  I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your network
or for Joe User to get your service.

If people want services, they should live in a city.  If they want to live
in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services
(water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about anything
and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive.  No one
makes people live in the country.  People choose to on their own, and they
should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services associated
with that decision.

Just my own 2 cents.

Dave

989-837-3790 x 151
989-837-3780 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.mercury.net

129 Ashman St, Midland, MI  48640
- Original Message - 
From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill
toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]


 IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup and
 installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money
where
 it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own
 pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not be
 able to hook up to a WISP.


 Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get access.

 Thanks,
 Chadd

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  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to
  encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
 
 
  Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'm
  here to help
  you
 
  :-)
 
 
  Jeff Broadwick
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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Jeremy Davis

David Weddell wrote:

I wrote a 5 paragraph response to David as well on this subject, then erased
it all. I am with you Mac and will choose to NOT make any derogatory
comments at all. It just a shame to see all of these government programs
being given to the RBOC's and others that abuse the money. 


Regards from rural Indiana where 35% of our population resides.
  
I about said something as well.  Even though I live in the city now, I 
spend the largest part of my life in a rural area.  To be honest I miss 
East Central Indiana!


Jeremy

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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
 you've got your house, retirement, college money, everything on the 
line, what are you gonna do?


I hope that helps explain more about what really effects decisions that get 
made here on the farm.


Oh yeah, I spent a decade in the big city with a real job.  You can stay 
there with the crime, the filth, the disease and the threat of terrorism. 
It'll take one hell of a big carrot before I'm gonna go back to that kinda 
stress.  grin


Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces 
billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]




Your assumption is correct.  Using your example of wheat, if you let free
markets operate, then farmers who couldn't survive growing wheat would 
stop

growing wheat and switch to a crop that would make them more money.  I
believe that all government subsidies should be eliminated and that we
should pay market prices for goods and services.  Government subsidies are
nothing more than price manipulation and welfare for businesses.  They 
cost

taxpayers more money than it would if we just paid the market price for
products and services, because there is the added cost of government
oversight and dispursement of funds.

Dave

989-837-3790 x 151
989-837-3780 fax

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.mercury.net

129 Ashman St, Midland, MI  48640
- Original Message - 
From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces
billtoencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]



So David,

I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the

government

paying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO

can

survive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over

production

creating too much product for not enough demand...?

:)


On 8/9/06 8:57 AM, David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and
 government subsidies?  Why should the burden of providing high-speed
 Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the
 shoulders of taxpayers?  I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your

network

 or for Joe User to get your service.

 If people want services, they should live in a city.  If they want to

live

 in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services
 (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about

anything

 and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive.  No

one

 makes people live in the country.  People choose to on their own, and

they

 should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services

associated

 with that decision.

 Just my own 2 cents.

 Dave

 989-837-3790 x 151
 989-837-3780 fax

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.mercury.net

 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI  48640
 - Original Message -
 From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill
 toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]


 IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup

and

 installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money
 where
 it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own
 pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not

be

 able to hook up to a WISP.


 Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get 
 access.


 Thanks,
 Chadd

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to
 encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]


 Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'm
 here to help
 you

 :-)


 Jeff Broadwick
 ImageStream
 800-813-5123 x106

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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]

2006-08-09 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
 they be the only ones that do?  I'd like nothing
 better than to see their funds shut off.  That's not gonna happen though,
 the closest I can do to level the playing field and stay in business is to
 get some of the money too.
 
 When you've got your house, retirement, college money, everything on the
 line, what are you gonna do?
 
 I hope that helps explain more about what really effects decisions that get
 made here on the farm.
 
 Oh yeah, I spent a decade in the big city with a real job.  You can stay
 there with the crime, the filth, the disease and the threat of terrorism.
 It'll take one hell of a big carrot before I'm gonna go back to that kinda
 stress.  grin
 
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces
 billtoencouragehighspeedinternetaccess in rural areas]
 
 
 Your assumption is correct.  Using your example of wheat, if you let free
 markets operate, then farmers who couldn't survive growing wheat would
 stop
 growing wheat and switch to a crop that would make them more money.  I
 believe that all government subsidies should be eliminated and that we
 should pay market prices for goods and services.  Government subsidies are
 nothing more than price manipulation and welfare for businesses.  They
 cost
 taxpayers more money than it would if we just paid the market price for
 products and services, because there is the added cost of government
 oversight and dispursement of funds.
 
 Dave
 
 989-837-3790 x 151
 989-837-3780 fax
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.mercury.net
 
 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI  48640
 - Original Message -
 From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces
 billtoencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
 
 
 So David,
 
 I guess it is fair for me to assume that you don't agree the the
 government
 paying some NOT to grow wheat or NOT to raise pigs so that those that DO
 can
 survive on a reasonable profit margin and not be flooded by over
 production
 creating too much product for not enough demand...?
 
 :)
 
 
 On 8/9/06 8:57 AM, David Sovereen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Since when do the people on this list support taxation, waste, and
 government subsidies?  Why should the burden of providing high-speed
 Internet to people in underserved (typically rural) areas fall on the
 shoulders of taxpayers?  I don't want my taxes to pay to expand your
 network
 or for Joe User to get your service.
 
 If people want services, they should live in a city.  If they want to
 live
 in rural areas, they should do so with the understanding that services
 (water, sewer, EMS, schools, cable, high-speed Internet, just about
 anything
 and everything) are harder to come by and sometimes more expensive.  No
 one
 makes people live in the country.  People choose to on their own, and
 they
 should take responsibility for the costs and/or lack of services
 associated
 with that decision.
 
 Just my own 2 cents.
 
 Dave
 
 989-837-3790 x 151
 989-837-3780 fax
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.mercury.net
 
 129 Ashman St, Midland, MI  48640
 - Original Message -
 From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:36 PM
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill
 toencouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
 
 
 IMO they need to start giving money to the end users to pay for hookup
 and
 installation. Stop paying to expand WISP's networks and give the money
 where
 it is needed, if you want a bigger network pay for it out of your own
 pocket. In IL I doubt you could drive from Chicago to St.Louis and not
 be
 able to hook up to a WISP.
 
 
 Give money to the people who need to put up a 45ft tower to get
 access.
 
 Thanks,
 Chadd
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick
 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:54 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to
 encouragehighspeedinternet access in rural areas]
 
 
 Don't forget the 3rd great lie...I'm from the government and I'm
 here to help
 you
 
 :-)
 
 
 Jeff Broadwick
 ImageStream
 800-813-5123 x106
 
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