RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-21 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message




Are there any notes from the session? The 
winog website doesnt show anything.

it's 
one of those things where you "kinda have to be there"


Also, you mention the login script is broken 
on wispreviews.com but I cant even browse the forms as a guest.

Here's 
the problem

Due to excessive 
spamming / trolling, we had to configure the forums where you can't browse 
unless you have a user account (there's no charge for that)
the problem is is that 
the site got hacked about 1-2 months ago, and although we were able to recover 
the database, the login script (though working) -- is misleading b/c when you 
log in, it goes to a file not found page (if you go back, the cookie is saved 
and you are technically logged in)

to compound the problem, 
the administrative interface is broken too, so it is impossible for me to 
log in and change things sniff

our current network 
admin guy can't seem to figure it out

-Charles

P.S. I'm still looking 
for a goodphp guy to help fix things here

---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 
13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com 

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Dylan BouterseSent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:07 
  PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] 900MHz 
  performance (Latency, Throughput)
  
  
  
  
  Dylan
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles WuSent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:10 
  PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance 
  (Latency, Throughput)
  
  
  old news 
  =)
  
  
  
  that was covered at 
  the last WiNOG
  
  http://www.winog.com/park-city_2005/sessions/day2_900mhz_bakeoff.htm
  
  
  
  another place to 
  check is http://www.wispreviews.com 
  (the login script is broken, but if you fiddle around with it, you should be 
  able to get in)
  
  
  
  -Charles
  ---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com 
  
  
-Original 
Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan BouterseSent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:17 
AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] 900MHz performance 
(Latency, Throughput)
We are in the beginning stages 
of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. Im very interested to hear 
about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is 
expected. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Dylan 
Bouterse 
. 
Sr. System 
Engineer___p. 352.253.2200 
f. 
352.742.2211 e. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-21 Thread Charles Wu
FWIW -- wispreviews is just a little blogging site to help people in the
industry out
We used PhpBB b/c it was easy to setup and fairliy intuitive (for not so
computer savy people like me)
Do you have any better suggestions?

-Charles

P.S. -- if it'd help the list, I can still access the databases, and I could
post the 900 Mhz stuff on the listserv for all to see - as text though =(

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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)


Charles Wu wrote:

 P.S. I'm still looking for a goodphp guy to help fix things here

The first step would be to stop using PHP or for that matter any other 
language that encourages unmaintainable code.

-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-21 Thread Matt Liotta

Charles Wu wrote:


Do you have any better suggestions?

 


What are your requirements?

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-21 Thread Charles Wu
Well...look at http://www.wispreviews.com

It's basically a blog site where WISPs post reviews of the gear they've used
(expeiences, 2 thumbs up, stuff sucks, etc)

In an idea world, I'd like something like DSL Reports -- where you could
even rate it and stuff -- but being a free site, we don't have much from a
budget perspective

-Charles

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Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)


Charles Wu wrote:

Do you have any better suggestions?

  

What are your requirements?

-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-20 Thread Pete Davis
The 900Mhz pricing has always been higher than 2.4ghz 802.11x on price. 
Probably always will be.
What 900mhz buys you is NLOS performance. 900mhz links will cut through 
trees that 802.11b only dreams about.
I am not sure how well the new Ubiquiti cards running 802.11 on them 
will do with NLOS. Waverider is the 900mhz I am familiar with, and part 
of the positive things about it are the way it will retry packets up to 
3 times before failing them. I don't think that 802.11 has a packet 
retry as part of its protocol. Another downside of Waverider (or any 
other 900mhz as far as I know) its that a Waverider 900mhz Access point 
(CCU) is only good for 2mbps total network throughput, and 1.5mbps to 
any one client.



Pete Davis
NoDial.net


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


Something needs to be done about this 900mhz pricing, at these prices 
I can justify setting up more 2.4ghz to get to these last mile customers.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

114 S. Walnut St.

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

www.wavelinc.com

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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*On Behalf Of *Blair Davis

*Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2006 7:54 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

That is why I posted the request on 900MHz myself

I am suprised that no distributors or manufactures has replied yet...

Dylan Bouterse wrote:

We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless 
portfolio. I’m very interested to hear about implemented systems and 
what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is 
greatly appreciated.


**Dylan Bouterse .  **Sr. System Engineer

___

*p.* 352.253.2200
*f.* 352.742.2211
*e.* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]_
*i.* http://www.power1.com http://www.power1.com/ - 
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www.power1golf.com http://www.power1golf.com/


 






 
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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-20 Thread chris cooper
I wouldn't bank on the 1.5 Mb per client unless you want to dedicate a
ccu to them.  We have found the 1.5 claim virtually impossible to
sustain.  It makes the business model unsound as well.

chris

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete Davis
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

The 900Mhz pricing has always been higher than 2.4ghz 802.11x on price. 
Probably always will be.
What 900mhz buys you is NLOS performance. 900mhz links will cut through 
trees that 802.11b only dreams about.
I am not sure how well the new Ubiquiti cards running 802.11 on them 
will do with NLOS. Waverider is the 900mhz I am familiar with, and part 
of the positive things about it are the way it will retry packets up to 
3 times before failing them. I don't think that 802.11 has a packet 
retry as part of its protocol. Another downside of Waverider (or any 
other 900mhz as far as I know) its that a Waverider 900mhz Access point 
(CCU) is only good for 2mbps total network throughput, and 1.5mbps to 
any one client.


Pete Davis
NoDial.net


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

 Something needs to be done about this 900mhz pricing, at these prices 
 I can justify setting up more 2.4ghz to get to these last mile
customers.

 Kurt Fankhauser

 WAVELINC

 114 S. Walnut St.

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 419-562-6405

 www.wavelinc.com

 -Original Message-
 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
 *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2006 7:54 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

 That is why I posted the request on 900MHz myself

 I am suprised that no distributors or manufactures has replied yet...

 Dylan Bouterse wrote:

 We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless 
 portfolio. I'm very interested to hear about implemented systems and 
 what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is 
 greatly appreciated.

 **Dylan Bouterse .  **Sr. System Engineer

 ___

 *p.* 352.253.2200
 *f.* 352.742.2211
 *e.* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]_
 *i.* http://www.power1.com http://www.power1.com/ - 
 www.onepowerfulsolution.com http://www.onepowerfulsolution.com/ - 
 www.power1golf.com http://www.power1golf.com/

  






  
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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-20 Thread Blair Davis




That is what we do. Get one client in a subdivision with a good link
to our TurboCell or Netstream backbone and then put up a 802.11B Mesh
ap for local (up to 3Mile) service...

Works ok, but I'd like to get to some 900MHz stuff that works for some
subdivisions that are so tree infested that I can't even get into them
with 2.4GHz.

The high cost of clients is not the only problem. The requirement of 6
900MHz ap's to get 360 deg coverage is also a problem. I can not
justify 6 $1800 ap's so set up a new tower in the average area. 

I understand that omnis may not work well on 900MHz. but what about
120 or 180 deg sectors?



Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Something
needs to be done about this
900mhz pricing, at these prices I can justify setting up more 2.4ghz to
get to
these last mile customers.
  
  
  Kurt
Fankhauser
  WAVELINC
  114 S.
Walnut St.
  Bucyrus, OH
44820
  419-562-6405
  www.wavelinc.com
  
  
  -Original
Message-
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf
Of Blair Davis
  Sent: Monday, February
20, 2006
7:54 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA]
900MHz
performance (Latency, Throughput)
  
  That is
why I posted the
request on 900MHz myself
  
I am suprised that no distributors or manufactures has replied yet...
  
Dylan Bouterse wrote:


  We
are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our
wireless portfolio. Im very interested to hear about implemented
systems
and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is
greatly
appreciated.
  
  Dylan
Bouterse .
  Sr.
System Engineer
  
  ___
  
  p.
352.253.2200 
  f.
352.742.2211 
  e.
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  i.http://www.power1.com - www.onepowerfulsolution.com
- www.power1golf.com
  
  
  
  




  
  



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269-686-8648

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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-20 Thread Pete Davis
Agreed. 1534k to the client is something I have yet to see on Waverider. 
Setting the GOS (Grade of service) to 1024k and setting the queue in 
Mikrotik to 512k seems to work reasonably well. YMMV.


pd

chris cooper wrote:

I wouldn't bank on the 1.5 Mb per client unless you want to dedicate a
ccu to them.  We have found the 1.5 claim virtually impossible to
sustain.  It makes the business model unsound as well.

chris

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete Davis
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:29 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

The 900Mhz pricing has always been higher than 2.4ghz 802.11x on price. 
Probably always will be.
What 900mhz buys you is NLOS performance. 900mhz links will cut through 
trees that 802.11b only dreams about.
I am not sure how well the new Ubiquiti cards running 802.11 on them 
will do with NLOS. Waverider is the 900mhz I am familiar with, and part 
of the positive things about it are the way it will retry packets up to 
3 times before failing them. I don't think that 802.11 has a packet 
retry as part of its protocol. Another downside of Waverider (or any 
other 900mhz as far as I know) its that a Waverider 900mhz Access point 
(CCU) is only good for 2mbps total network throughput, and 1.5mbps to 
any one client.



Pete Davis
NoDial.net


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
  
Something needs to be done about this 900mhz pricing, at these prices 
I can justify setting up more 2.4ghz to get to these last mile


customers.
  

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

114 S. Walnut St.

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

www.wavelinc.com

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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



  

*On Behalf Of *Blair Davis
*Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2006 7:54 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

That is why I posted the request on 900MHz myself

I am suprised that no distributors or manufactures has replied yet...

Dylan Bouterse wrote:

We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless 
portfolio. I'm very interested to hear about implemented systems and 
what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is 
greatly appreciated.


**Dylan Bouterse .  **Sr. System Engineer

___

*p.* 352.253.2200
*f.* 352.742.2211
*e.* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]_
*i.* http://www.power1.com http://www.power1.com/ - 
www.onepowerfulsolution.com http://www.onepowerfulsolution.com/ - 
www.power1golf.com http://www.power1golf.com/


 







  
 
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Re: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-20 Thread Dan Petermann
I have gotten just under 3Mb/s down and 400Kb up on a Canopy system at short range (5 miles or so). I don't do very many installs anymore so I can't give you an idea of latency. Not sure if thruput drops significantly on longer ranges or if latency increases either.On Feb 20, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Dylan Bouterse wrote: We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. I’m very interested to hear about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly appreciated. Dylan Bouterse  .  Sr. System Engineer image001.gif ___  p. 352.253.2200   f.  352.742.2211  e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]  i.  http://www.power1.com  -  www.onepowerfulsolution.com - www.power1golf.com   image001.gif-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- 
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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-20 Thread Charles Wu
Title: Message



old 
news =)

that 
was covered at the last WiNOG
http://www.winog.com/park-city_2005/sessions/day2_900mhz_bakeoff.htm

another place to check is http://www.wispreviews.com (the login 
script is broken, but if you fiddle around with it, you should be able to get 
in)

-Charles
---WiNOG Austin, TXMarch 
13-15, 2006http://www.winog.com 

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Dylan BouterseSent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:17 
  AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] 900MHz 
  performance (Latency, Throughput)
  
  We are in the beginning stages of 
  evaluating 900MHz for our wireless portfolio. Im very interested to hear 
  about implemented systems and what kind of max throughput and latency is 
  expected. Any help is greatly appreciated.
  
  Dylan Bouterse 
  . 
  Sr. System 
  Engineer___p. 352.253.2200 
  f. 
  352.742.2211 e. 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  i.http://www.power1.com - 
  www.onepowerfulsolution.com - 
  www.power1golf.com
  
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RE: [WISPA] 900MHz performance (Latency, Throughput)

2006-02-20 Thread Dylan Bouterse
Title: Message








Are there any notes from the session? The winog
website doesnt show anything.



Also, you mention the login script is
broken on wispreviews.com but I cant even browse the forms as a guest.



Dylan











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006
8:10 PM
To: 'WISPA
 General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 900MHz
performance (Latency, Throughput)







old news =)











that was covered at the last WiNOG





http://www.winog.com/park-city_2005/sessions/day2_900mhz_bakeoff.htm











another place to check is http://www.wispreviews.com (the login
script is broken, but if you fiddle around with it, you should be able to get
in)











-Charles



---
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March 13-15, 2006
http://www.winog.com 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006
9:17 AM
To: WISPA
 General List
Subject: [WISPA] 900MHz
performance (Latency, Throughput)

We are in the beginning stages of evaluating 900MHz for our
wireless portfolio. Im very interested to hear about implemented systems
and what kind of max throughput and latency is expected. Any help is greatly
appreciated.



Dylan Bouterse . Sr.
System Engineer

___

p. 352.253.2200 
f. 352.742.2211 
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
i.http://www.power1.com - www.onepowerfulsolution.com - www.power1golf.com










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