Re: [WISPA] Battery backup and monitoring

2008-12-16 Thread 3-dB Networks
You could just use an APC system... might cost more but less tinkering to
do.  You can find good deals on eBay and other places... just buy new
batteries

1400 series UPS's were our friend for Mesa's small sites.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

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 Subject: [WISPA] Battery backup and monitoring
 
 I am looking for a solid solution for a site power backup and
 monitoring. It would be nice to put together a parts list and
 application notes. These are the points I came up with.
 
 1. A good resilient Charger
 2. Monitoring of AC power (on/off state, and maybe voltage too)
 3. Monitor battery health
 4. How to protection power supply, batteries and monitoring device
 from AC damages fluctuations and lightning storms.
 
 My systems usually require 24DC as well as 48DC (for the Orthogon stuff)
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-12 Thread Tom DeReggi

And how are you charging the batteries?

Tom DeReggi
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IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what
I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner
type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do
something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more
efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the
options.

Brian








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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-12 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

Bring the charger from home.
Something comparable to this with a deep cell setting.

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Tom DeReggi wrote:


And how are you charging the batteries?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what
I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner
type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do
something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more
efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the
options.

Brian




 





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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Has this unit added support for abilty to notify (Email) remote admin (ISP) 
when status is changed to battery?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Ah, we are running a newer Web Firmware..  Don't suppose you have the old
firmware?

Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500
Firmware revision: l1
Web firmware revision: l4

-Russ

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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:50 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Hello Russ,

I believe the same as Rick...APC BH500NET.  Nice little units, but I wish
they had an Ethernet switch built-in rather than just a port.  In all
honesty I don't think I'd want production traffic passing through a UPS
anyway, so the single port is fine.

Technical Parameters
Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500
Serial number: AB0**
Firmware revision: l1
Web firmware revision: l2
UPS date of manufacture (mm-dd-): 06-18-2004  Battery replacement date
(mm-dd-): 11-15-2004

Current Status
  Battery status: Charged
  Last transfer to battery was caused by: Blackout
  Result of last self-test is: None

 Load on Battery Backup
  Your battery backup is currently providing: 140 Watts
  Power Source: On-Line
  Battery Capacity: 100%
  Available Runtime: 12min


Guess I've had this one for a bit longer than I remember...looks like we
installed it 11-15-2004.  It's running a P4 MikroTik multi-interface 
router

along with several Trango radios at a remote HUB.

Best,


Brad







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Brad -

What model hardware do you have, and what software version?

Thanks,

-Russ



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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Great information Rick!  I like you idea of gutting the unit.

Our units are set with static IP addresses.  They are at least a year old
now...maybe they changed that to only allow DHCP in later revisions?

Best,


Brad



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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a 
web

interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in 
a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice 
little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this 
unit

and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption.

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you 
cannot

assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included 
pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is 
an

option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what I
have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner type
disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do something like
this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more efficient, maybe
cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the options.

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-02 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I run one of my sites from 2 deep cycle batteries, an automatic charger and
an inverter.Only  trouble I ever had was it got too hot in the enclosure
in teh summer and the inverter shut down.

I even put in some ventilation and put the inveter in the path of the cool
air and it still got too hot.

Next year, we're going to have to completely re-do the whole concept.  I
still think I'm going to use the DC powered concept, though.


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 I'm tempted to do something like that but not worry about the transfer
 switch.  I'd just run off of 12 vdc all of the time.  No power issues from
 outside that way!

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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wireless@wispa.org
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 I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what
  I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner
  type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do
  something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more
  efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the
  options.
 
  Brian
 


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RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Brad Belton
Great information Rick!  I like you idea of gutting the unit.

Our units are set with static IP addresses.  They are at least a year old
now...maybe they changed that to only allow DHCP in later revisions?

Best,


Brad



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Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a web
interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this unit
and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption. 

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you cannot
assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.  

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is an
option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what 
I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner 
type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do 
something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more 
efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the 
options.

Brian

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RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Russ Kreigh

Brad -

What model hardware do you have, and what software version?

Thanks,

-Russ



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Great information Rick!  I like you idea of gutting the unit.

Our units are set with static IP addresses.  They are at least a year old
now...maybe they changed that to only allow DHCP in later revisions?

Best,


Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a web
interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this unit
and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption. 

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you cannot
assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.  

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is an
option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what I
have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner type
disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do something like
this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more efficient, maybe
cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the options.

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I'm tempted to do something like that but not worry about the transfer 
switch.  I'd just run off of 12 vdc all of the time.  No power issues from 
outside that way!


Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
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Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup



I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what
I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner
type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do
something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more
efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the
options.

Brian








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RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Russ,

I believe the same as Rick...APC BH500NET.  Nice little units, but I wish
they had an Ethernet switch built-in rather than just a port.  In all
honesty I don't think I'd want production traffic passing through a UPS
anyway, so the single port is fine.

Technical Parameters   
 Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500 
 Serial number: AB0**  
 Firmware revision: l1 
 Web firmware revision: l2 
 UPS date of manufacture (mm-dd-): 06-18-2004 
 Battery replacement date (mm-dd-): 11-15-2004

Current Status   
   Battery status: Charged 
   Last transfer to battery was caused by: Blackout 
   Result of last self-test is: None 
   
  Load on Battery Backup  
   Your battery backup is currently providing: 140 Watts
   Power Source: On-Line
   Battery Capacity: 100%
   Available Runtime: 12min


Guess I've had this one for a bit longer than I remember...looks like we
installed it 11-15-2004.  It's running a P4 MikroTik multi-interface router
along with several Trango radios at a remote HUB.

Best,


Brad







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Behalf Of Russ Kreigh
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:41 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup


Brad -

What model hardware do you have, and what software version?

Thanks,

-Russ



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Great information Rick!  I like you idea of gutting the unit.

Our units are set with static IP addresses.  They are at least a year old
now...maybe they changed that to only allow DHCP in later revisions?

Best,


Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a web
interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this unit
and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption. 

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you cannot
assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.  

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is an
option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what I
have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner type
disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do something like
this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more efficient, maybe
cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the options.

Brian

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RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Mac Dearman
Those are some great pics Rick, Thanks!

What is that other board you have in there? POE switch?



Mac 



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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a web
interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this unit
and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption. 

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you cannot
assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.  

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is an
option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what 
I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner 
type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do 
something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more 
efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the 
options.

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Mark Nash
I use an APC SU700NET with an AP9617 SNMP card.  In the firmware version
that I have (SNMP card, that is), there are 151 'events' for which you can
specify actions.  You can set severity (Severe, Warning, Informational) on
each event.  Each severity can be configured to trigger alarms (Syslog, SNMP
traps, e-mail notifications).  So when there is a temporary power sag it
notifies a 9-5 e-mail list that may just go to our e-mail accounts.  When
there is a power outage we send it to an e-mail list that has our
pagers/cell phones on it.  It notifies us when the battery will soon be
exhausted, and when the power comes back on.

With the stock batteries we get anywyere from 2-3 hours to respond.  If it
takes us 30 minutes to get to the AP site then if the power hasn't come back
on in about 45 minutes we gear up to go with a generator.  I asked on this
list, and someone had connected external batteries to this UPS to give it a
longer run-time.

You can get the refurbished UPS usually for about $80-$90 on e-bay, then the
SNMP card will cost you about $125-$150 on e-bay.

The UPS is about 5 wide and we put them sideways inside outdoor boxes.
Their specs say that they need 1 clearance for ventilation but I've never
had a problem with them inside 6 deep boxes.  The smallest box it will fit
in is 18Hx18Wx6D.  With external batteries, you would have to figure out
your needs for storage.

This is not an expensive solution at all if all you need is a couple hours
runtime.

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax

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Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup


 I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what
 I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner
 type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do
 something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more
 efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the
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RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Brad Belton
That's the BH500NET UPS board.  It has an Ethernet port along with surge
protected phone line ports etc.

Here is one of many URLs I found with a quick search.

http://www.apcguard.com/PC_Workstation_BH500NET.asp


Brad

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:52 AM
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Those are some great pics Rick, Thanks!

What is that other board you have in there? POE switch?



Mac 



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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a web
interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this unit
and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption. 

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you cannot
assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.  

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is an
option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what 
I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner 
type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do 
something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more 
efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the 
options.

Brian

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RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Russ Kreigh
Ah, we are running a newer Web Firmware..  Don't suppose you have the old
firmware?

Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500 
 Firmware revision: l1 
 Web firmware revision: l4 
 
-Russ

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Hello Russ,

I believe the same as Rick...APC BH500NET.  Nice little units, but I wish
they had an Ethernet switch built-in rather than just a port.  In all
honesty I don't think I'd want production traffic passing through a UPS
anyway, so the single port is fine.

Technical Parameters   
 Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500
 Serial number: AB0**
 Firmware revision: l1
 Web firmware revision: l2
 UPS date of manufacture (mm-dd-): 06-18-2004  Battery replacement date
(mm-dd-): 11-15-2004

Current Status   
   Battery status: Charged 
   Last transfer to battery was caused by: Blackout 
   Result of last self-test is: None 
   
  Load on Battery Backup  
   Your battery backup is currently providing: 140 Watts
   Power Source: On-Line
   Battery Capacity: 100%
   Available Runtime: 12min


Guess I've had this one for a bit longer than I remember...looks like we
installed it 11-15-2004.  It's running a P4 MikroTik multi-interface router
along with several Trango radios at a remote HUB.

Best,


Brad







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Behalf Of Russ Kreigh
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:41 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup


Brad -

What model hardware do you have, and what software version?

Thanks,

-Russ



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Great information Rick!  I like you idea of gutting the unit.

Our units are set with static IP addresses.  They are at least a year old
now...maybe they changed that to only allow DHCP in later revisions?

Best,


Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a web
interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this unit
and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption. 

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you cannot
assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.  

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is an
option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what I
have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner type
disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do something like
this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more efficient, maybe
cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the options.

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread George Rogato

I like the smurf tube. Very cool.

George

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what 
I have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner 
type disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do 
something like this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more 
efficient, maybe cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the 
options.


Brian





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Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Blair Davis
Are you able to enter a full IP address set into the unit with the old 
firmware?


The new firmware allows you to specify the IP address, but not the 
subnet or default gateway...  This is what is keeping me from using them 
as I'd wish


Russ Kreigh wrote:


Ah, we are running a newer Web Firmware..  Don't suppose you have the old
firmware?

Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500 
Firmware revision: l1 
Web firmware revision: l4 


-Russ

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Hello Russ,

I believe the same as Rick...APC BH500NET.  Nice little units, but I wish
they had an Ethernet switch built-in rather than just a port.  In all
honesty I don't think I'd want production traffic passing through a UPS
anyway, so the single port is fine.

Technical Parameters   
Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500

Serial number: AB0**
Firmware revision: l1
Web firmware revision: l2
UPS date of manufacture (mm-dd-): 06-18-2004  Battery replacement date
(mm-dd-): 11-15-2004

Current Status   
  Battery status: Charged 
  Last transfer to battery was caused by: Blackout 
  Result of last self-test is: None 
  
 Load on Battery Backup  
  Your battery backup is currently providing: 140 Watts

  Power Source: On-Line
  Battery Capacity: 100%
  Available Runtime: 12min


Guess I've had this one for a bit longer than I remember...looks like we
installed it 11-15-2004.  It's running a P4 MikroTik multi-interface router
along with several Trango radios at a remote HUB.

Best,


Brad







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Russ Kreigh
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:41 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup


Brad -

What model hardware do you have, and what software version?

Thanks,

-Russ



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Great information Rick!  I like you idea of gutting the unit.

Our units are set with static IP addresses.  They are at least a year old
now...maybe they changed that to only allow DHCP in later revisions?

Best,


Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a web
interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this unit
and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption. 


One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you cannot
assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.  


It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is an
option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what I
have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner type
disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do something like
this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more efficient, maybe
cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the options.

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RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Brad Belton
Hello Russ,

Couldn't find any software/firmware on APCs site, but the manual still shows
static IP assignment instructions.

http://sturgeon.apcc.com/techref.nsf/partnum/990-9234/$FILE/990-9234_EN.pdf

Best,

Brad

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Russ Kreigh
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Ah, we are running a newer Web Firmware..  Don't suppose you have the old
firmware?

Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500 
 Firmware revision: l1 
 Web firmware revision: l4 
 
-Russ

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Hello Russ,

I believe the same as Rick...APC BH500NET.  Nice little units, but I wish
they had an Ethernet switch built-in rather than just a port.  In all
honesty I don't think I'd want production traffic passing through a UPS
anyway, so the single port is fine.

Technical Parameters   
 Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500
 Serial number: AB0**
 Firmware revision: l1
 Web firmware revision: l2
 UPS date of manufacture (mm-dd-): 06-18-2004  Battery replacement date
(mm-dd-): 11-15-2004

Current Status   
   Battery status: Charged 
   Last transfer to battery was caused by: Blackout 
   Result of last self-test is: None 
   
  Load on Battery Backup  
   Your battery backup is currently providing: 140 Watts
   Power Source: On-Line
   Battery Capacity: 100%
   Available Runtime: 12min


Guess I've had this one for a bit longer than I remember...looks like we
installed it 11-15-2004.  It's running a P4 MikroTik multi-interface router
along with several Trango radios at a remote HUB.

Best,


Brad







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Russ Kreigh
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:41 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup


Brad -

What model hardware do you have, and what software version?

Thanks,

-Russ



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Great information Rick!  I like you idea of gutting the unit.

Our units are set with static IP addresses.  They are at least a year old
now...maybe they changed that to only allow DHCP in later revisions?

Best,


Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a web
interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this unit
and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption. 

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you cannot
assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.  

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is an
option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what I
have.  It's a power inverter, auto transfer switch, Air Conditioner type
disconnect, and a deep cycle marine battery.  I want to do something like
this at some remote sites.  What can I do better, more efficient, maybe
cheaper, or just different.  I want to know all the options.

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RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

2006-09-01 Thread Brad Belton
Well...after looking and looking I don't see anywhere to set the IP
configuration via my web interface.  If memory serves me correctly I had to
use an APC software configuration tool in order to set the IP address.
Similar to what the cheapo DLink cameras require.  I'll have to hunt for
that tool once I'm back at the office.  Right now I'm in the field
(literally) watching a crew.

Ah, I see the APC program to configure IP address information for the
BH500NET is still loaded on my desktop PC, but I don't see the installation
application.  I bet I filed the CD.

I'll get back with you on this later today.

Best,

Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Are you able to enter a full IP address set into the unit with the old 
firmware?

The new firmware allows you to specify the IP address, but not the 
subnet or default gateway...  This is what is keeping me from using them 
as I'd wish

Russ Kreigh wrote:

Ah, we are running a newer Web Firmware..  Don't suppose you have the old
firmware?

Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500 
 Firmware revision: l1 
 Web firmware revision: l4 
 
-Russ

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:50 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Hello Russ,

I believe the same as Rick...APC BH500NET.  Nice little units, but I wish
they had an Ethernet switch built-in rather than just a port.  In all
honesty I don't think I'd want production traffic passing through a UPS
anyway, so the single port is fine.

Technical Parameters   
 Model: APC Back-UPS HS 500
 Serial number: AB0**
 Firmware revision: l1
 Web firmware revision: l2
 UPS date of manufacture (mm-dd-): 06-18-2004  Battery replacement date
(mm-dd-): 11-15-2004

Current Status   
   Battery status: Charged 
   Last transfer to battery was caused by: Blackout 
   Result of last self-test is: None 
   
  Load on Battery Backup  
   Your battery backup is currently providing: 140 Watts
   Power Source: On-Line
   Battery Capacity: 100%
   Available Runtime: 12min


Guess I've had this one for a bit longer than I remember...looks like we
installed it 11-15-2004.  It's running a P4 MikroTik multi-interface router
along with several Trango radios at a remote HUB.

Best,


Brad







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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Russ Kreigh
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:41 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup


Brad -

What model hardware do you have, and what software version?

Thanks,

-Russ



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:30 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Great information Rick!  I like you idea of gutting the unit.

Our units are set with static IP addresses.  They are at least a year old
now...maybe they changed that to only allow DHCP in later revisions?

Best,


Brad



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 10:14 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Battery Backup

Brian,

We made an inexpensive Rebootable UPS out of an APC BH500NET.  It has a web
interface to reboot the system and Ethernet ports to connect to.  It was
designed as a cheap office/residential device.  Lowest price I can find
today is $95.  We gutted the components from the original case and put in a
weatherproof Carlon box.  It voids the warranty but gives you a nice little
cheap unit for those remote sites. I just looked at the runtime on this
unit
and it says 53 minutes.  It is drawing 40 watts of consumption. 

One thing we did have to do is write firewall rules to only allow access
from our office IP range.  It seems as though the http security is lax and
is prone to hack attempts.  The other fault of this unit is that you cannot
assign it an IP address statically.  It will pick up a DHCP address only,
then you need to reserve that IP.  

It has it's drawbacks but for the money, it is a nice little tool.  I took
this up with APC support and they told me they had no intentions of
rewriting the software to make it more manageable.  I have included
pictures
of our final product.  I'm not sure if this addresses your need but it is
an
option.

Rick Harnish
President
Supernova Technologies, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:37 PM
To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization
Subject: [WISPA] Battery Backup

I need help making a battery backup system.  I attached pictures of what I
have