Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs
Marlon: I confess that my jaw dropped too, especially that the weight issue came out better for the wired system, but in fairness, read the story a bit more closely. It's not just Internet access that the wireless system was handling - it was also the seatback video, etc. Given that, it makes more sense to do wired, and if you're doing wired, just put in an Ethernet jack. Of course, some sharpie is going to use the wired connection to provide Wi-FI to the rest of the plane. It's two clicks on my Mac laptop. Thanks, Steve On Jan 27, 2007, at Jan 27 08:04 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 200 lbs of aps and antennas How the hell is THAT possible? I'll bet all of my gear weighs in less than that and I've got 6000 square miles over coverage, not just one puny little airplane! Steve, do your old bosses need help over there or what? You need to go back to work for Boing! marlon --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Writing about BWIA again! - www.bwianews.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs
If you've ever been to Las Vegas, check out their monorail sometime and I think you'll see the same problem. AP'S and Amplifiers every 300' along the track, obviously the person(s) spec'ing it out, had no prior experience tis' a sad, sad story Mike- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 200 lbs of aps and antennas How the hell is THAT possible? I'll bet all of my gear weighs in less than that and I've got 6000 square miles over coverage, not just one puny little airplane! Steve, do your old bosses need help over there or what? You need to go back to work for Boing! marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs
Uses our hoppers, I'm happy to say. We had nothing to do with the sale, design or install though, so I can't speak to the architecture. We learned about the project later. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Ireton Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:15 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs If you've ever been to Las Vegas, check out their monorail sometime and I think you'll see the same problem. AP'S and Amplifiers every 300' along the track, obviously the person(s) spec'ing it out, had no prior experience tis' a sad, sad story Mike- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 200 lbs of aps and antennas How the hell is THAT possible? I'll bet all of my gear weighs in less than that and I've got 6000 square miles over coverage, not just one puny little airplane! Steve, do your old bosses need help over there or what? You need to go back to work for Boing! marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs
That is the most rediculaous thing I have ever heard. in plane distribution- Wire weighs more than Radio waves. to plane - Cable length exceeds Ethernet distance limit :-) (joke) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs 200 lbs of aps and antennas How the hell is THAT possible? I'll bet all of my gear weighs in less than that and I've got 6000 square miles over coverage, not just one puny little airplane! Steve, do your old bosses need help over there or what? You need to go back to work for Boing! marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs Boeing is dropping it's plans to offer wireless access on the new 787 Dreamliner. It will be using a WIRED network instead. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/301086_boeing25.html The reasons given were: 1. Reducing the aircraft weight. 2. Difficulty in getting regulatory approval in a few countries. 3. The prototype system might not have delivered the expected performance. Sure, reducing weight on an (already overweight) aircraft is good. Boeing says they are replacing 200 lbs of access points and antennas with 50 lbs of wiring; thereby saving 150 lbs. Sure regulatory approval (2.4 GHz??) might have been a problem in some country - perhaps in Elbonia or Lower Slobovia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbonia My thinking is that Boeing engineers may have simply failed to learn a lesson that some WISPs have known for years. Any knowledgeable WISP could have told Boeing that putting two dozen access points inside an airplane cabin would create so much self-interference that the system would never deliver enough throughput to satisfy customers expectations for speed and performance. jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs
An antenna in every row of seats??!! ~fred On 1/27/07, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boeing is dropping it's plans to offer wireless access on the new 787 Dreamliner. It will be using a WIRED network instead. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs
My thinking is that Boeing engineers may have simply failed to learn a lesson that some WISPs have known for years. Any knowledgeable WISP could have told Boeing that putting two dozen access points inside an airplane cabin would create so much self-interference that the system would never deliver enough throughput to satisfy customers expectations for speed and performance. jack You would think that a couple will do. After all, it's just a big metal tube. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs
200 lbs of aps and antennas How the hell is THAT possible? I'll bet all of my gear weighs in less than that and I've got 6000 square miles over coverage, not just one puny little airplane! Steve, do your old bosses need help over there or what? You need to go back to work for Boing! marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: [WISPA] Boeing Fails to Learn from WISPs Boeing is dropping it's plans to offer wireless access on the new 787 Dreamliner. It will be using a WIRED network instead. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/301086_boeing25.html The reasons given were: 1. Reducing the aircraft weight. 2. Difficulty in getting regulatory approval in a few countries. 3. The prototype system might not have delivered the expected performance. Sure, reducing weight on an (already overweight) aircraft is good. Boeing says they are replacing 200 lbs of access points and antennas with 50 lbs of wiring; thereby saving 150 lbs. Sure regulatory approval (2.4 GHz??) might have been a problem in some country - perhaps in Elbonia or Lower Slobovia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbonia My thinking is that Boeing engineers may have simply failed to learn a lesson that some WISPs have known for years. Any knowledgeable WISP could have told Boeing that putting two dozen access points inside an airplane cabin would create so much self-interference that the system would never deliver enough throughput to satisfy customers expectations for speed and performance. jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
