RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-18 Thread ralph
on Metricom-Ricochets ultimate success or failure? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Yes they have

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-17 Thread John Thomas
networks Yes they have. Metricom-Ricochet. They failed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I take

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-17 Thread Travis Johnson
on Metricom-Ricochets ultimate success or failure? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Yes they have. Metricom-Ricochet

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-17 Thread Zack Kneisley
success or failure? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Yes they have. Metricom-Ricochet

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-14 Thread Ralph
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks No. It worked. They were great engineers. The technology just worked at 128mbps. They failed because they didn;t

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-13 Thread Tom DeReggi
for their build out costs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Yes

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wow, what a pleasant surprise. Glad to hear from you! Thinkin of gettin back into WISP stuff... What are you crazy :-) Are you a glutton for punishment :-) No seriously, this is still an existing industry, just a lot of new competitions and stragegies necessary to survive. On the 900 Mesh...

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Ralph
Yes they have. Metricom-Ricochet. They failed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I take it that nobody has

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Rick Harnish
: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Yes they have. Metricom-Ricochet. They failed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Matt Liotta
Rick Harnish wrote: Did they fail because of the immature technology or a failed business plan? Would the more mature technology available today have made an impact on Metricom-Ricochets ultimate success or failure? I was a Ricochet user in the Bay Area and was quite happy with the service

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread D. Ryan Spott
, September 12, 2007 6:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Rick Harnish wrote: Did they fail because of the immature technology or a failed business plan? Would the more mature technology available today have made an impact on Metricom-Ricochets

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Hi Allen, From the conversations I've had with people trying to use, or just around, mesh gear, it doesn't usually work very well once the network starts to come alive. The old hub and spoke method works best. Some of the new mesh gear uses different channels for broadcast vs. backhaul.

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Gino Villarini
Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Hi Allen

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 06:35 PM 9/12/2007, Gino Villarini wrote: Using dif radios for wifi and backhaul isn't mesh any more? How so? I was under the impression that mesh was the ability of the equipment to form a interconnection between the nodes with alternative paths to the Internet feed I hate to be a

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 10:44 AM 9/12/2007, D. Ryan Spott wrote: and like a typical dot-com they spent and expanded far faster than they should have 'cause hey, there's a second round coming and when they went looking for that second round, the large investor played their strategy and said no second round for

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 06:11 PM 9/12/2007, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: From the conversations I've had with people trying to use, or just around, mesh gear, it doesn't usually work very well once the network starts to come alive. The old hub and spoke method works best. But the entire Internet is a

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, The biggest problem I see when looking at mesh is having access to all those locations... people's homes, light poles, telephone poles, whatever. You now have to install UPS systems, rebooters, have the equipment some-what secure, etc. Just the few repeaters we have at people's homes

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-12 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 12:13 AM 9/13/2007, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, The biggest problem I see when looking at mesh is having access to all those locations... people's homes, light poles, telephone poles, whatever. You now have to install UPS systems, rebooters, have the equipment some-what secure, etc.

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-11 Thread lakeland
XXL What are you going to do with it?? Make a tent :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:30:01 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-11 Thread Jeff Broadwick
mesh networks XXL What are you going to do with it?? Make a tent :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:30:01 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-11 Thread Allen Marsalis
Message- From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:30:01 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I was only about a half year off. Not bad for an old man. :) I'm not sure I remember your youngest though

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-11 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 08:21 AM 9/11/2007, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Nah, he uses it to hide the Romulan Ale when he goes to movies and ball games. :-) LOL, I haven't had any Romulan Ale in a while. I needed a laugh. Remember this one? I used to have a life, now I have customers I might add, Now I have no

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas... the first one if there was more than one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday,

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread lakeland
OMG! I guess you dont love me anymore because you dont return my emails :-( Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:16:57 To:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Bob Moldashel
YeahThat was him And yes..it was the first one. Because I was at the second one ( I think) and he banged in sick for the show (or something...) :-) -B- Mike Hammett wrote: Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas... the first one if there was more than one.

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Gino Villarini
Wow! Im witnessing the return of a pioneer! Welcome back Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Gino Villarini
You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or 900 pcmcia card for customers Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 11:29 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote: Wow, I think the last time I saw this guy was WISPCON-Dallas... the first one if there was more than one. That was me. There is only one me, that's for sure. :)Dallas WISPCON was my last convention. Allen

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 11:42 AM 9/10/2007, Bob Moldashel wrote: YeahThat was him And yes..it was the first one. Because I was at the second one ( I think) and he banged in sick for the show (or something...) Bob I remember missing you in Chicago but not Dallas. If I ever knew you were in Dallas, I'd

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 11:42 AM 9/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OMG! I guess you dont love me anymore because you dont return my emails :-( I do love you Bob and I'm truly sorry about that. Around '04 I used to spend about 4 to 6 hours a day on email and my new boss put an end to all that.

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 11:49 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote: You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or 900 pcmcia card for customers Thanks much for the reply Gino. My idea is like muni wireless in that there really is no CPE per se. With muni wifi, each node is on top of a light pole

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Steve Stroh
Allen: Metricom did. Thanks, Steve On 9/10/07, Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network before. Which is not a good sign to me. That's a sign that my idea probably won't work. Allen -- Steve Stroh

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread George Rogato
So does this mean that you now agree with me that little wireless cards can be used for wireless broadband? George :) Allen Marsalis wrote: At 11:49 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote: You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or 900 pcmcia card for customers

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 12:56 PM 9/10/2007, Steve Stroh wrote: Allen: Metricom did. Thanks, Steve Thanks for the reply Steve. Can you share if they were able to make it work or not? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Allen

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Joel White
Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:49:35 -0400 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks You 900 idea souns interesting, but youll need a 900 muni client and/or 900 pcmcia card for customers Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread David E. Smith
Allen Marsalis wrote: I take it that nobody has ever built a 900MHz NLOS mesh network before. Which is not a good sign to me. That's a sign that my idea probably won't work. I'd be very skeptical just because of what I lovingly call the Tropos Effect. Obviously, all these nodes

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 01:02 PM 9/10/2007, George Rogato wrote: So does this mean that you now agree with me that little wireless cards can be used for wireless broadband? George :) Yes George I do. In fact I used pcmcia cards back in '03 and '04 at ShreveNet for residential pops with good results after we

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Joel White
Message --- From: Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:05:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks At 12:56 PM 9/10/2007, Steve Stroh wrote: Allen: Metricom did. Thanks, Steve Thanks

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
White NexGenAccess Inc. www.nexgenaccess.com 740-513-4122 NexGenAccess Inc. http://www.nexgenaccess.com -- Original Message --- From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:49:35 -0400 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread George Rogato
I'm glad your still around the industry Allen, every one in a while someone says, Where's Allen M? Makes us wonder. Myself, I would only look at 900 as a temporary frequency to use. Maybe a couple years, more in the very rural areas and less urban wise. Too many others are using 900 or

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread John Valenti
Allen, It sounds as if you might be proposing this for a suburban or even tree filled urban environment. One problem you might run into is clear spectrum in 900MHz. I've use Trango gear out in rural areas, where it works OK. I've only done a few scans in the city (East Lansing and

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Steve Stroh
Allen: Metricom's long out of business, but technologically, they made it work (albeit at ~28 Kbps, and later ~128 Kbps). One of the key things they did to make it work at 902-928 MHz is to use FHSS and small channel sizes rather than fixed, wide channels as all the current 902-928 MHz BWIA gear

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
Thank you David for your thoughts on this. I too am a bit skeptical. :) Which is why I decided to ask for comments from you guys. There is the additional issue of mesh routing protocols but I think (and I mean think) I may have that covered if the physical stuff worked out ok. It's just

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
Thanks George. Sounds like wise advice to me considering all the things happening within the industry in recent years. Google is petitioning the FCC for nationwide prime spectrum? I'm short a few billion it seems.. Even if my idea is technically doable, then I must go find the right

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 04:00 PM 9/10/2007, John Valenti wrote: Allen, It sounds as if you might be proposing this for a suburban or even tree filled urban environment. One problem you might run into is clear spectrum in 900MHz. I've use Trango gear out in rural areas, where it works OK. I've only done a few scans

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 05:12 PM 9/10/2007, you wrote: Allen: Metricom's long out of business, but technologically, they made it work (albeit at ~28 Kbps, and later ~128 Kbps). One of the key things they did to make it work at 902-928 MHz is to use FHSS and small channel sizes rather than fixed, wide channels as

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Steve Stroh
Allen: While progress in satellite communications can be measured in 5 year increments - to design, fund, and launch them... technological progress DOES come, and has. Spot beams are now a standard feature on all new satellites, and it's beginning to make a big difference. Watch to see what

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Patrick Leary
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen Marsalis Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks Thank you David for your thoughts on this. I too am a bit skeptical. :) Which is why I decided to ask for comments from you

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
At 06:37 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed. Thanks Patrick. I trust all is going well with you. I hear you are now vice president. Great job! (I mean that both ways. You do a great job and have a great job) :) Our

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Dylan Oliver
Isn't WildBlue actually leasing a HughesNet/DirecWay satellite? Thus sprach a HughesNet installer, anyway. On 9/10/07, Steve Stroh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allen: While progress in satellite communications can be measured in 5 year increments - to design, fund, and launch them...

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Dylan Oliver
Not so. Just look up the opening bid for your CMA.. On 9/10/07, Allen Marsalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks George. Sounds like wise advice to me considering all the things happening within the industry in recent years. Google is petitioning the FCC for nationwide prime spectrum? I'm

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Patrick Leary
, September 10, 2007 5:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks At 06:37 PM 9/10/2007, Patrick Leary wrote: Allen, great to see you pop up on the list again. You've been missed. Thanks Patrick. I trust all is going well with you. I hear you are now

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Gino Villarini
, September 10, 2007 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :) And I have plenty of old BreezeCOM shirts still. Patrick -Original

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks LOL. My girls are 6.5 and 4 now. They don't care much what the shirt says so long as it has something sparkly on it. :) And I have plenty of old BreezeCOM shirts still

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
8:35 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts! ;-) ... ducking! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Steve Stroh
Dylan: WildBlue is leasing satellite transponders for their current service, but I don't think they have anything to do with Hughes. Thanks, Steve On 9/10/07, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't WildBlue actually leasing a HughesNet/DirecWay satellite? Thus sprach a HughesNet

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
I'm proud to say no Canopy shirts in this house Gino! I can't afford them. (major ducking) :) Allen At 08:35 PM 9/10/2007, Gino Villarini wrote: I'll bet they prefer the Motorola Canopy T-shirts! ;-) ... ducking!

RE: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Allen Marsalis
I was only about a half year off. Not bad for an old man. :) I'm not sure I remember your youngest though. A belated congratulations to you! I know you are proud of them both. My son is now a freshman in high school and has outgrown me already. Homecoming is this Saturday. Wow how

Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on 900MHz mesh networks

2007-09-10 Thread Butch Evans
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Allen Marsalis wrote: I was a WISP in the late 90s and early 00s. Some of you may know me. It's good to see many familiar faces still here. In recent years, I have pursued new interests but I keep thinking back on my experiences as a WISP. I had a lot of good times