RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Mark McElvy
No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that
everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
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Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine?

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Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brian Whigham

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine?



I wouldn't count on it.  The service needs to have T.38 compatibility. 
I believe that BroadVoice offers that.


but, you could get a separate fax service which forwards fax to your 
email.  I think that would be a better solution.


Like you, I do stuff on the cheap.  I've learned that it's not always 
the best route.  Don't disregard these folks' suggestions.  I'm sure 
many of them started with the cheap stuff and learned the hard way; now, 
they're offering you this advice for free.


good luck,

bw
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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Rick Smith
nod, mostly miss.

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No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that everyone
said it was hit and miss, mostly miss.

Mark McElvy
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573.729.9203 - Fax
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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages
will almost always go through.  If you tell Vonage the line is going to be
used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance.
Also, some faxes will perform better than others.  I believe Vonage has a
list of preferred fax brands/models as well.

YMMV...

Best,


Brad 


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No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that
everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread David Weddell
Always a miss with Vonage on faxing. They continue to bring in a LOT of
business based on the advertising that it works though. Imagine that.

Regards,
David Weddell
Director of Sales
 
260 827 2551 Office
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It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages
will almost always go through.  If you tell Vonage the line is going to be
used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance.
Also, some faxes will perform better than others.  I believe Vonage has a
list of preferred fax brands/models as well.

YMMV...

Best,


Brad 


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No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that
everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
lol...sounds like you've had a rough time with Vonage and faxes.  I've been
a Vonage customer since December 2002 and have been running my DirecTV, home
security and occasional fax through it with little trouble.  Granted my
faxing has been little to none at home, but the Tivo boxes and alarm system
seem to work just fine.

We keep two Vonage ATA accounts active and will provide them for a fee for
various construction sites we service.  Those guys do use the fax a bunch
and the feed back has largely been keep your fax down to three or fewer
pages and you're good.

As I said before, YMMV.  I would expect a circuit with marginal packet loss
would be a no go for Vonage faxing.

Best,


Brad 




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Always a miss with Vonage on faxing. They continue to bring in a LOT of
business based on the advertising that it works though. Imagine that.

Regards,
David Weddell
Director of Sales
 
260 827 2551 Office
800 363 4881  Ext 2551
260 273 7547 Cell
 
www.onlyinternet.net
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It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages
will almost always go through.  If you tell Vonage the line is going to be
used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance.
Also, some faxes will perform better than others.  I believe Vonage has a
list of preferred fax brands/models as well.

YMMV...

Best,


Brad 


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No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that
everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
http://www.accubak.com/
http://www.accubak.net/
Nationwide Internet Access
Accurate backups for your critical data! 

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Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine?

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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
Nope, been largely very happy with my Vonage service.  Telling SBC to take a
hike ranks right up there with the likes of buying and selling a boat...two
happiest days of a person's life.  grin

Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and
Vonage fax lines.  They make do with what they have and make the best of it.

When we are approached by clients in properties with POTS available we'll
recommend they keep one POTS line for their fax.  No sense in trying to
create a problem and a stripped down POTS line comes in less than $30 a
month after fees/taxes.

Best,


Brad



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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:38 AM
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Guess you're not part of the class action lawsuit against Vonage 
regarding fax lines. ;)

-Matt

Brad Belton wrote:
 lol...sounds like you've had a rough time with Vonage and faxes.  I've
been
 a Vonage customer since December 2002 and have been running my DirecTV,
home
 security and occasional fax through it with little trouble.  Granted my
 faxing has been little to none at home, but the Tivo boxes and alarm
system
 seem to work just fine.

 We keep two Vonage ATA accounts active and will provide them for a fee for
 various construction sites we service.  Those guys do use the fax a bunch
 and the feed back has largely been keep your fax down to three or fewer
 pages and you're good.

 As I said before, YMMV.  I would expect a circuit with marginal packet
loss
 would be a no go for Vonage faxing.

 Best,


 Brad 




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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:06 AM
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 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

 Always a miss with Vonage on faxing. They continue to bring in a LOT of
 business based on the advertising that it works though. Imagine that.

 Regards,
 David Weddell
 Director of Sales
  
 260 827 2551 Office
 800 363 4881  Ext 2551
 260 273 7547 Cell
  
 www.onlyinternet.net
 www.oibw.net
  
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Brad Belton
 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:29 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

 It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3
pages
 will almost always go through.  If you tell Vonage the line is going to be
 used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance.
 Also, some faxes will perform better than others.  I believe Vonage has a
 list of preferred fax brands/models as well.

 YMMV...

 Best,


 Brad 


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 Behalf Of Mark McElvy
 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:06 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

 No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that
 everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss.

 Mark McElvy
 AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
 573.729.9200 - Office
 573.729.9203 - Fax
 573.247.9980 - Mobile
 http://www.accubak.com/
 http://www.accubak.net/
 Nationwide Internet Access
 Accurate backups for your critical data! 

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 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

 Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine?

 Brian
   

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Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Matt Liotta

Brad Belton wrote:

Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and
Vonage fax lines.  They make do with what they have and make the best of it.

  
At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice 
with working fax directly from us.


-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread rwf
Matt-

What speed/format FAX is supported now?

 

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At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with
working fax directly from us.

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
Good to hear your Asterisk solution is working out well.

We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or
our Nuvio offerings.  Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far
superior to any LEC offering.  Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm
sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon.

Best,


Brad



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Brad Belton wrote:
 Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and
 Vonage fax lines.  They make do with what they have and make the best of
it.

   
At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice 
with working fax directly from us.

-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Joe Laura
We are using an Asterisk solution over canopy and faxing is hit and miss. On
some machines it works fine. Adjusting the baud rate on the machines makes a
big difference on some. Some it does not. I have one client faxing 100% and
another, one hop in closer and they are maybe 25% and using the same exact
machine. Go figure.
Superior Wireless
New Orleans,La.
www.superior1.com
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 Good to hear your Asterisk solution is working out well.

 We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage
or
 our Nuvio offerings.  Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far
 superior to any LEC offering.  Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm
 sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon.

 Best,


 Brad



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 Brad Belton wrote:
  Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data
and
  Vonage fax lines.  They make do with what they have and make the best of
 it.
 
 
 At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice
 with working fax directly from us.

 -Matt

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Re: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Matt Liotta

Brad Belton wrote:

We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or
our Nuvio offerings.  Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far
superior to any LEC offering.  Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm
sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon.

  
Which product is that? My understanding is that Level3 only offers 
carrier origination and termination; not the full suite of services 
required to provide retail voice. Further, it is my understanding that 
Level3's minimum commitment is $25k MRC on their voice services.


-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Brad Belton
Hmmm...guess I'd better keep it a secret then... grin


Best,


Brad


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Brad Belton wrote:
 We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage
or
 our Nuvio offerings.  Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far
 superior to any LEC offering.  Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm
 sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon.

   
Which product is that? My understanding is that Level3 only offers 
carrier origination and termination; not the full suite of services 
required to provide retail voice. Further, it is my understanding that 
Level3's minimum commitment is $25k MRC on their voice services.

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless
We use one in the Virgin Islands, keeping the speed down to 14.4 helps a
lot.

Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified
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lol...sounds like you've had a rough time with Vonage and faxes.  I've been
a Vonage customer since December 2002 and have been running my DirecTV, home
security and occasional fax through it with little trouble.  Granted my
faxing has been little to none at home, but the Tivo boxes and alarm system
seem to work just fine.

We keep two Vonage ATA accounts active and will provide them for a fee for
various construction sites we service.  Those guys do use the fax a bunch
and the feed back has largely been keep your fax down to three or fewer
pages and you're good.

As I said before, YMMV.  I would expect a circuit with marginal packet loss
would be a no go for Vonage faxing.

Best,


Brad 




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Always a miss with Vonage on faxing. They continue to bring in a LOT of
business based on the advertising that it works though. Imagine that.

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David Weddell
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It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages
will almost always go through.  If you tell Vonage the line is going to be
used for a fax machine they can make changes to improve fax performance.
Also, some faxes will perform better than others.  I believe Vonage has a
list of preferred fax brands/models as well.

YMMV...

Best,


Brad 


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No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that
everyone said it was hit and miss, mostly miss.

Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
573.729.9200 - Office
573.729.9203 - Fax
573.247.9980 - Mobile
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Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine?

Brian
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RE: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax

2006-11-08 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
I have a couple of Lingo boxes (unlimited free calls to N. America, Europe,
AustralAsia) and ported my numbers to it several years ago.  At $20 a month
and FAX works perfectly through it, it's hard to beat.  I have both
RoadRunner and ATT DSL with my Nortel router using the DSL only as a backup
route.  It's not been necessary yet.

I'm installing my ASTERISK with those on two FXO ports and SKYPE on a third
through an old WIN laptop and external $25 box.  Geezey I thank the
CarterPhone ruling.

What am I missing?

. . . j o n a t h a n

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Hmmm...guess I'd better keep it a secret then... grin


Best,


Brad


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Brad Belton wrote:
 We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage
or
 our Nuvio offerings.  Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far
 superior to any LEC offering.  Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm
 sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon.

   
Which product is that? My understanding is that Level3 only offers 
carrier origination and termination; not the full suite of services 
required to provide retail voice. Further, it is my understanding that 
Level3's minimum commitment is $25k MRC on their voice services.

-Matt

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