Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

2006-03-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

They were told $1500 here.  That's CELL phone company use though.  Not wisp.

I took an antenna to a city council meeting and showed them what little 
space I'd be using.  I also compared revenue streams between cell phone 
companies and wisps.  Then I told them that I wanted to service the 
community but couldn't do it alone.  I needed their help.  I'd get to people 
that the telco didn't with dsl and I'd offer the ONLY competitive pressure 
to the incumbent offering (still to this day there are only two of us).


In the end, it costs them almost nothing.  Our contract is for non 
interference not exclusive use.  Our contract also says that when we fire up 
if we cause problems for ANYONE in the AREA we'll shut it down and redo 
things.  They buy the hardware and we provide service to any city facilities 
that need it.


Also talked them down from a $5,000,000 insurance requirement to $1,000,000 
(worked out how to do that with my insurance agent).


In the end, they are out nothing because I couldn't have gone up there at 
$1500 per month.  And the community gained service where it wouldn't have 
gone otherwise and the city is saving hundreds on communications costs.


That more helpful?
Marlon
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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation



Thanks Cliff (and everyone else).

The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less 
than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower.  Needless to 
say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty 
much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of 
rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000). 
So, I'm working trying to find comparable figures for what others are 
paying and have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying 
anywhere near the $1000 per month for a water tower.  Other towers, yes, 
maybe, but not water towers - at least not that I have found.







- Original Message - 
From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


Jason,

Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the
water towers in my area for years.

Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way
IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's
and modem they were currently using.

I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights
to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure!

- Cliff





- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation



I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have
another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying,

if

anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings /
connections, etc), etc etc.

Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything



will help.

Thanks a lot in advance!!!
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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

2006-03-14 Thread Jason Hensley
That does help Marlon, and that's basically the approach I've been taking 
with them.  There are, of course, other complications, but I won't go into 
here.


I again appreciate everyone's response.



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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


They were told $1500 here.  That's CELL phone company use though.  Not 
wisp.


I took an antenna to a city council meeting and showed them what little 
space I'd be using.  I also compared revenue streams between cell phone 
companies and wisps.  Then I told them that I wanted to service the 
community but couldn't do it alone.  I needed their help.  I'd get to 
people that the telco didn't with dsl and I'd offer the ONLY competitive 
pressure to the incumbent offering (still to this day there are only two 
of us).


In the end, it costs them almost nothing.  Our contract is for non 
interference not exclusive use.  Our contract also says that when we fire 
up if we cause problems for ANYONE in the AREA we'll shut it down and redo 
things.  They buy the hardware and we provide service to any city 
facilities that need it.


Also talked them down from a $5,000,000 insurance requirement to 
$1,000,000 (worked out how to do that with my insurance agent).


In the end, they are out nothing because I couldn't have gone up there at 
$1500 per month.  And the community gained service where it wouldn't have 
gone otherwise and the city is saving hundreds on communications costs.


That more helpful?
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation



Thanks Cliff (and everyone else).

The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less 
than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower.  Needless to 
say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty 
much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of 
rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000). 
So, I'm working trying to find comparable figures for what others are 
paying and have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying 
anywhere near the $1000 per month for a water tower.  Other towers, yes, 
maybe, but not water towers - at least not that I have found.







- Original Message - 
From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


Jason,

Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the
water towers in my area for years.

Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way
IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's
and modem they were currently using.

I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights
to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure!

- Cliff





- Original Message - 
From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation



I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have
another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying,

if

anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings /
connections, etc), etc etc.

Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything



will help.

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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

2006-03-13 Thread Mark Nash
Trade here as well.  Hooked up Public Works and several sewer pump stations 
for web cams...saves them about 1 FTE in monitoring the sewer pumps.


Mark Nash
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UnwiredOnline.Net
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Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
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541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
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I trade space and electricity for service.  No limit on speed or 
connections for the city.


Marlon
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42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have 
another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying, if 
anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / 
connections, etc), etc etc.


Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything 
will help.


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RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

2006-03-13 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Jason,

Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the
water towers in my area for years.

Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way
IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's
and modem they were currently using.

I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights
to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure!

- Cliff




 - Original Message - 
 From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


 I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have 
 another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying,
if 
 anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / 
 connections, etc), etc etc.

 Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything

 will help.

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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

2006-03-13 Thread Jason Hensley

Thanks Cliff (and everyone else).

The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less 
than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower.  Needless to say 
that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much 
non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling 
hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000).  So, I'm 
working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and 
have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere near 
the $1000 per month for a water tower.  Other towers, yes, maybe, but not 
water towers - at least not that I have found.







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From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


Jason,

Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the
water towers in my area for years.

Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way
IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's
and modem they were currently using.

I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights
to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure!

- Cliff





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From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation



I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have
another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying,

if

anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings /
connections, etc), etc etc.

Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything



will help.

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RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

2006-03-13 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Jason,

The $1,000 per month was probably set by some cellular company years
ago. The cell provider probably has its own tower now, but the $1,000
number remains in the water tower owners head and is probably
'pie-in-the-sky,' especially now.

I have also located on billboards here...

Where there's a will...there's a way!

- Cliff


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Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

Thanks Cliff (and everyone else).

The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less

than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower.  Needless to
say 
that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much

non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling

hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000).  So,
I'm 
working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and

have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere
near 
the $1000 per month for a water tower.  Other towers, yes, maybe, but
not 
water towers - at least not that I have found.






- Original Message - 
From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


Jason,

Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the
water towers in my area for years.

Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way
IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's
and modem they were currently using.

I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights
to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure!

- Cliff




 - Original Message - 
 From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


 I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have
 another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying,
if
 anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings /
 connections, etc), etc etc.

 Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything

 will help.

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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

2006-03-13 Thread Blair Davis

We have 2 water tower locations.

At one, we provide free service and hosting for the city.

At the other, we provide free service to the city and 4% of our net 
profit generated by users connected directly to their water tower.


At a similar location, (an old city owned NORAD radar dome), we provide 
internet service for the city and hosting.


In all cases, the city's involved consider us to be an asset and a 
source of indirect revenue.  Houses here are much harder to sell if 
broadband is not available.


Make friends with realtors



Jason Hensley wrote:


Thanks Cliff (and everyone else).

The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take 
less than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower.  
Needless to say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and 
makes ROI pretty much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself 
(I'm in a town of rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, 
population around 12,000).  So, I'm working trying to find comparable 
figures for what others are paying and have worked out, etc, just to 
show that most are not paying anywhere near the $1000 per month for a 
water tower.  Other towers, yes, maybe, but not water towers - at 
least not that I have found.







- Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


Jason,

Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the
water towers in my area for years.

Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way
IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's
and modem they were currently using.

I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights
to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure!

- Cliff





- Original Message - From: Jason Hensley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation



I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have
another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying,



if


anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings /
connections, etc), etc etc.

Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything





will help.

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RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

2006-03-13 Thread Eric Rogers
Jason,

I also ran into that, when I started building out my network.  The local
water company involved an outside company to find out a fair value for
the tanks might be.  They came back with a high number (in my opinion),
but stated that cell phone companies get charged more... I waited about
a year, and he randomly called me the other day.  I mentioned that if he
would have lowered his prices or been a bit flexible, I would have
signed earlier and he would have had 12 months of service and me on his
tanks.

When he called, I suggested coming over and hooking him up.  He agreed
and was MUCH more agreeable and I set the price 1/2 of what he had
originally heard from this outside company.

If you are wanting numbers, send it to the WISP forums, not the public
ones.

QuoteYou can only charge what people are willing to pay./Quote

Eric



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Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

Thanks Cliff (and everyone else).

The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less

than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower.  Needless to
say 
that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much

non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling

hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000).  So,
I'm 
working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and

have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere
near 
the $1000 per month for a water tower.  Other towers, yes, maybe, but
not 
water towers - at least not that I have found.






- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


Jason,

Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the
water towers in my area for years.

Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way
IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's
and modem they were currently using.

I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights
to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure!

- Cliff




 - Original Message - 
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 Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


 I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have
 another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying,
if
 anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings /
 connections, etc), etc etc.

 Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything

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Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

2006-03-13 Thread KyWiFi LLC
We live in a town of 6,000 people and there are
only 20,000 in the county. The city water company
makes $3000+ per month from one of their water
tanks. They charge $1000 - $1500 per month per
tenant. The tank is only 100' tall so I don't know
why the cell companies just don't erect their own
tower in the area, there is a lot of land here for
sale at prices in the $3k - $10k per acre range.

Most water companies however will swap out
free broadband and free installation for free use
of their water tanks. Others are happy to receive
$50 - $100 per month per water tank. I think what
it really comes down to is who you are and who you
know when dealing with water companies.


Sincerely,
Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
http://www.KyWiFi.com
http://www.KyWiFiVoice.com
Phone: 859.274.4033
A Broadband Phone  Internet Provider

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- Original Message - 
From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


Jason,

The $1,000 per month was probably set by some cellular company years
ago. The cell provider probably has its own tower now, but the $1,000
number remains in the water tower owners head and is probably
'pie-in-the-sky,' especially now.

I have also located on billboards here...

Where there's a will...there's a way!

- Cliff


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Hensley
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation

Thanks Cliff (and everyone else).

The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less

than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower.  Needless to
say 
that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much

non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling

hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000).  So,
I'm 
working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and

have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere
near 
the $1000 per month for a water tower.  Other towers, yes, maybe, but
not 
water towers - at least not that I have found.






- Original Message - 
From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


Jason,

Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the
water towers in my area for years.

Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way
IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's
and modem they were currently using.

I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights
to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure!

- Cliff




 - Original Message - 
 From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation


 I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation.  Have
 another area I'm trying to go into.  Looking for what you're paying,
if
 anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings /
 connections, etc), etc etc.

 Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything

 will help.

 Thanks a lot in advance!!!
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