Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-20 Thread Don Grossman
That should be must not have paid federal taxes yet.  This money has  
not been collected.  It will be in the future..



On Feb 18, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 You must not pay federal taxes them.

 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

 No, it's NOT my money.




 
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 - Original Message -
 From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?



 But it's your money?  You pay taxes right?  How can you feel wrong  
 about
 getting back what they took from you?

 Brian

 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say it  
 should not
 be
 done and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide  
 my face
 forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.


 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


  Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What  
 else can we
 do?

 marlon

Well, whatcha gonna do?




Don Grossman
WillitsOnline LLC
Office 707-459-0824
d...@willitsonline.com




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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-20 Thread Clint Ricker
I don't know the specifics of the Charter bankruptcy, but I've been
working in telecom long enough to know that most traditional service
providers do have to take on massive amounts of long-term debt to
build out their infrastructure.  Buildout of wireline networks is very
capital intensive, involves large long-term loans, and does have a lot
longer ROI than say, a wireless AP (most independent wisps build their
ROI around months rather than years).  On the other hand, the
infrastructure holds its value a lot longer (deployed cable HFC will
be commercially viable a lot longer than the current generation of
PTMP radios, deployed GPON FTTN even more so (all assuming some
swapouts of gear at the CO / headend every few years).

Debt is necessary part of most telecom buildout, and lenders knowingly
assume some of the risk in return for interest on their loans.  The
difference between Charter failing and other telco's / cable companies
succeeding isn't business model per-se (they all have, at some
level, the same business model) but is more likely the mundane issues
that usually lead to business success or failure -- execution, etc...

-Clint Ricker




On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com 
wrote:
 Wish I could just write off my debt and still be in business.

 This kind of thing is just wrong.

 Go so far in debt that there's no way out.  Work off of a bad business
 model.  Then stick everyone else with the bill and walk away in a few years
 totally in the clear.

 it's BS
 marlon

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 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
 without all of that burden.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.

 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1



 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-18 Thread reader
No, it's NOT my money.





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- Original Message - 
From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 But it's your money?  You pay taxes right?  How can you feel wrong about 
 getting back what they took from you?

 Brian

 rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
 Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say it should not 
 be
 done and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face
 forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.


 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message - 
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


  Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
 do?

 marlon

Well, whatcha gonna do?



 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-18 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




You must not pay federal taxes them.

rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

  No, it's NOT "my money".





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- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Rohrbacher" br...@reliableinter.net
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


  
  
But it's your money?  You pay taxes right?  How can you feel wrong about 
getting back what they took from you?

Brian

rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say "it should not 
be
done" and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face
forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.



insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
do?

marlon

   Well, whatcha gonna do?




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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-17 Thread RickG
It's called survival. We've all been put into a bad position through
no fault of our own. Since we have no control, all we can do it react.
You cant blame someone for that.
-RickG

On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
 Businesses come and go too Mark.

 Because we don't like it or think it's a good idea for the country doesn't
 make this wrong in a moral or ethical sense.

 I agree that this package is going to end up doing more harm than good.
 That knowledge won't stop anyone from spending the money though.  It's going
 to go out the door.

 And the more of it that comes to me, the better it'll be.  *I* can make sure
 that whatever part I get ahold of is used for the good of my community.  My
 competition may not be so honorable.

 By taking the grant funds I can minimize the damage this program will do.
 That's the smart thing to do.  It's also the right and honorable thing to
 do.  The only catch is to watch out for any strings that may be attached.
 We don't want to take money and use it to build things that aren't long term
 sustainable.

 It's like this Mark.  I find a bag (hell, I STEAL the bag) full of money
 from a drug pusher.  He's already gotten the money.  If he keeps it he'll
 spend it in ways that will enrich his drug empire.  If I spend it I'll use
 it to enrich my family and my community.  Think I'm likely to give the money
 back to the bad guy?

 We tried to do what was right and stop this madness.  But the deal is now
 done.  All we can do from here is minimize the damage.  Heck, we don't even
 be able to undo it, the money has to be handed out before the next election
 cycle.

 It sucks, but I'm going to do what I can to make sure my community comes out
 of this in the best shape possible.  That means that *I* get as much money
 as I can, not the telco that's based on the other side of the country.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say it should not
 be
 done and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face
 forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.


 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
 do?

 marlon


 Well, whatcha gonna do?





 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-16 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong
about getting back what they took from you?

Brian

rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

  Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say "it should not be 
done" and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face 
forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.



insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


  
  
Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
do?

marlon



  Well, whatcha gonna do?


  




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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Businesses come and go too Mark.

Because we don't like it or think it's a good idea for the country doesn't 
make this wrong in a moral or ethical sense.

I agree that this package is going to end up doing more harm than good. 
That knowledge won't stop anyone from spending the money though.  It's going 
to go out the door.

And the more of it that comes to me, the better it'll be.  *I* can make sure 
that whatever part I get ahold of is used for the good of my community.  My 
competition may not be so honorable.

By taking the grant funds I can minimize the damage this program will do. 
That's the smart thing to do.  It's also the right and honorable thing to 
do.  The only catch is to watch out for any strings that may be attached. 
We don't want to take money and use it to build things that aren't long term 
sustainable.

It's like this Mark.  I find a bag (hell, I STEAL the bag) full of money 
from a drug pusher.  He's already gotten the money.  If he keeps it he'll 
spend it in ways that will enrich his drug empire.  If I spend it I'll use 
it to enrich my family and my community.  Think I'm likely to give the money 
back to the bad guy?

We tried to do what was right and stop this madness.  But the deal is now 
done.  All we can do from here is minimize the damage.  Heck, we don't even 
be able to undo it, the money has to be handed out before the next election 
cycle.

It sucks, but I'm going to do what I can to make sure my community comes out 
of this in the best shape possible.  That means that *I* get as much money 
as I can, not the telco that's based on the other side of the country.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say it should not 
 be
 done and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face
 forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.


 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message - 
 From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
 do?

 marlon


 Well, whatcha gonna do?





 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-15 Thread RickG
Marlon, Are you applying for the grant yourself or are you having
someone write it?
Have there been any WISP's successful in getting grants?
It would be good for all WISP's, if the procedures were available.
-RickG

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com 
wrote:
 Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
 do?

 marlon


 Well, whatcha gonna do?





 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi Rick,

I've applied for an RUS grant once.  Didn't get it in right so I got 
nothing.  Plus the time and strings required convinced me not to bother 
again.

This time around I don't know what I'll do or how to do it.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Marlon, Are you applying for the grant yourself or are you having
 someone write it?
 Have there been any WISP's successful in getting grants?
 It would be good for all WISP's, if the procedures were available.
 -RickG

 On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com 
 wrote:
 Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
 do?

 marlon


 Well, whatcha gonna do?





 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-15 Thread Blair Davis




right on!

rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:

  Not me.  If it's wrong, it's wrong.   I'm not going to say "it should not be 
done" and then go after the money for myself.   I'd have to hide my face 
forever.Money comes and goes.   Conscience is forever.



insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


  
  
Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we
do?

marlon



  Well, whatcha gonna do?


  




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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Sigh, THEY will bet all of the bailout money they can stomach.

How does no one end up in jail over this kind of lunacy?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:02 AM
Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.

 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1



 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Wish I could just write off my debt and still be in business.

This kind of thing is just wrong.

Go so far in debt that there's no way out.  Work off of a bad business 
model.  Then stick everyone else with the bill and walk away in a few years 
totally in the clear.

it's BS
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
 without all of that burden.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.

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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that they 
do it be going broke!!

aaa
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in test markets
 though.

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 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
 without all of that burden.


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 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.

 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1



 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so many
stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically continue
operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt. 

If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the expense
of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and spent
to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies like
Charter now and Cable  Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that did
it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and customers
in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
single thing of their personal affect. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that they 
do it be going broke!!

aaa
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in test markets
 though.

 * ---
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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
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 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
 without all of that burden.


 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread reader
Well, they are THE providers of broadband, didn't you know.Too valuable 
to fail and well connected in DC.

I read somewhere that between the bailouts - specifically banks and other 
financial institutions - and the loans that the taxpayers have gauranteed in 
the last year,  along with the spending and new spending programs voted in 
for the future, there's something like 18 TRILLION dollars in liabilites on 
the backs of the taxpayers that's new since the end of January 08.   And 
it's over 5 trillion in direct spending just for the 18 months between last 
july and the end of '09.   That assumes no new spending.

Someone I read, which if memory serves was a WSJ blog, calculated that we 
could just have let ALL the banks fail and instead, distributed 90,000 PER 
ADULT to the public and restarted with all new and solvent institutions and 
it would have been cheaper than the stimulus, bank rescues and bailouts.

I know that with 180K in my family we'd have done a lot more stimulatin' 
than the present 3.3 trillion just passed.  (this includes the cost of 
future programs which are NOT paid for in this bill, cumulative to the next 
pres election).I am as horrified as you at the gross mismanagement.

But, just when you think you've seen it all...   The president (CEO?  COO? 
Chairman?  not sure) of Netflix apparently has publicly stated he thinks his 
taxes should be raised, along with all his business cohorts.If I were on 
his BOD, he'd be sending resumes out and unemployed the day after he said 
that.

Well, whatcha gonna do?



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- Original Message - 
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that 
 they
 do it be going broke!!

 aaa
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in test markets
 though.

 * ---
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 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

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 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
 without all of that burden.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.

 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1



 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread reader
Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in 
Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin.  I lost my home 
everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time.  And 
I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt 
ever since.   The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. 
Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for 
more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real 
estate loans.   Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, 
rather  than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the 
proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect 
from me or sell those loans elsewhere.   I lost track of the number of 
owners of those notes over the years.  I had no credit cards unpaid or car 
loans or anything.

Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed 
and they'd sell it again.   Often it was less than 2 months between being 
persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner.

One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones 
and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff.

But, hey, look at the bright side.   Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE 
FIRED!

:)



insert witty tagline here

- Original Message - 
From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so 
 many
 stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically 
 continue
 operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt.

 If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the 
 expense
 of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and 
 spent
 to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
 myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
 conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies 
 like
 Charter now and Cable  Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that 
 did
 it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and 
 customers
 in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
 single thing of their personal affect.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

 Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that 
 they
 do it be going broke!!

 aaa
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in test markets
 though.

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

 The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the
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 than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you
 received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
 from any computer.





 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future
 without all of that burden.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:02 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.


 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer
 _id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1




 
 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread eje
Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue business 
like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and the owners, 
board of directors and upper management that caused the mess goes clean and 
free and get to keep it all. 

Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. It's 
part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning and 
preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a legal term 
from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't be allowed. 
They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and keep everything. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in 
Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin.  I lost my home 
everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time.  And 
I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged debt 
ever since.   The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal. 
Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for 
more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the real 
estate loans.   Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet, 
rather  than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the 
proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to collect 
from me or sell those loans elsewhere.   I lost track of the number of 
owners of those notes over the years.  I had no credit cards unpaid or car 
loans or anything.

Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed 
and they'd sell it again.   Often it was less than 2 months between being 
persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner.

One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work phones 
and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff.

But, hey, look at the bright side.   Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE 
FIRED!

:)



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- Original Message - 
From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so 
 many
 stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically 
 continue
 operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt.

 If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the 
 expense
 of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and 
 spent
 to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
 myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
 conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies 
 like
 Charter now and Cable  Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that 
 did
 it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and 
 customers
 in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
 single thing of their personal affect.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

 Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that 
 they
 do it be going broke!!

 aaa
 marlon

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in test markets
 though.

 * ---
 Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
 WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
 Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
 WISPA Vendor Member*
 *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
 http://www.linktechs.net/
 */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
 http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp

 The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the
 Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended
 only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread reader
Have you seen anyone who wasn't connected to DC carry this out?   I don't 
think my corp could get away with that.   BTW, there's been some people, 
including a coule in Congress who want to change the BK laws for 
corporations, so that if they go BK, the people who lent money get to hold 
the stock of the new corp.   I'll bet they'd get the incompetent fired and 
replaced.   Although, sometimes it really isn't a case of mismanagement - or 
it was mismanagement previous to the people who get stuck with the mess - 
like Chrysler is right now.   Daimler's to blame for 100% of their problems, 
it seems rather pointless to rip the guys trying to save it now...

Anyone notice that  the peanut guys just went out of business over some 
tainted peanuts?





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- Original Message - 
From: e...@wisp-router.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Then to think about all companies that reorganize and end up continue 
 business like nothing happens except they screwed over their lenders and 
 the owners, board of directors and upper management that caused the mess 
 goes clean and free and get to keep it all.

 Sickening. And it does have nothing to do with Washington connections. 
 It's part of the system and have crooked good lawyer and careful planning 
 and preparations. Basically in my opinion it's premeditated (to borrow a 
 legal term from another legal area) bankruptcy if you ask me and shouldn't 
 be allowed. They should be punished not allowed to continue operation and 
 keep everything.

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us

 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:56:30
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Unemployment and a default on a mortgage i was gaurantor of put me in
 Bankruptcy in 1997.I didn't get to keep nuttin.  I lost my home
 everything I had in the bank and was seriously whacked for a long time. 
 And
 I've battled crooked collectors who have tried to collect discharged 
 debt
 ever since.   The RE lenders were the worst thing about the whole deal.
 Basically, that was all I owed was on two homes and yet, it haunted me for
 more than 8 years before the last one stopped trying to collect on the 
 real
 estate loans.   Two of the three involved were guaranteed by HUD, yet,
 rather  than file for that gaurantee, they abdicated all rights to the
 proceeds of the RE sale and then fraudulently attempted for years to 
 collect
 from me or sell those loans elsewhere.   I lost track of the number of
 owners of those notes over the years.  I had no credit cards unpaid or 
 car
 loans or anything.

 Each time I had to dig up my BK judgement and prove it wasn't legally owed
 and they'd sell it again.   Often it was less than 2 months between being
 persued by a different 'agency' or lender or owner.

 One guy managed to get someone to give him my work and my wife's work 
 phones
 and then they started threatening all kinds of stuff.

 But, hey, look at the bright side.   Someone might tell Trump YOU'RE
 FIRED!

 :)


 
 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message - 
 From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 3:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?


 Always hated that about the bankruptcy system. How a company can do so
 many
 stupid things then file chapter 11, get restructured and basically
 continue
 operations with all their equipment all in place but with no debt.

 If I wanted a fancy house, car and all cool gadget and got it on the
 expense
 of the business if I filed chapter 11 because of to high saleries and
 spent
 to much money on business building, and equipment rollout I would find
 myself homeless, car less, customer less and no longer have a place to
 conduct business and my cool hardware sold off. Then you have companies
 like
 Charter now and Cable  Wireless did 10 years back just as examples that
 did
 it and came out stronger then before and no debt and networks and
 customers
 in place and I bet not a single board member or upper management lost a
 single thing of their personal affect.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:18 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

 Yeah, and WE'RE expected to compete.  No one bothers to point out that
 they
 do it be going broke!!

 aaa
 marlon

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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Me?  I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get.  What else can we 
do?

marlon


 Well, whatcha gonna do?






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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-13 Thread Mike Hammett
Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future 
without all of that burden.


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 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.

 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1



 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-13 Thread Dennis Burgess
They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in test markets 
though.

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Mike Hammett wrote:
 Probably nothing, other than Charter may be more nimble in the future 
 without all of that burden.


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 Charter is set to file bankruptcy protection on or before April 1 as
 part of a financial restructuring to reduce its debt by $8bn.

 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/245062c2-f93d-11dd-90c1-77b07658.html?referrer_id=yahoofinanceft_ref=yahoo1segid=03058nclick_check=1



 
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Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?

2009-02-13 Thread David E. Smith
Dennis Burgess wrote:
 They are starting to roll out 60meg down 5up.   Only in test markets 

So far, that's one test market. Probably coincidental that the one 
market they're doing that (Saint Louis, MO) is the market where their 
corporate headquarters is located, and presumably where most of 
Charter's big execs live.

As far as whether Charter's bankruptcy filing will affect wireless 
operators in any meaningful way, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say 
nope, not at all.

David Smith
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RE: [WISPA] what does this?

2007-04-14 Thread Smith, Rick
Airport radar gone out of control ?

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Within a few minutes of each other, I got calls from opposite ends of my

network complaining about outages.   Really odd, I thought, as I was in
the 
middle of checking out some  things.  

The short of it is as follows:  Sometime yesterday, not exactly sure
what 
time, two backbone links suddenly began going up and down, 5 sec up, 5
sec 
down.   One is 10 miles long, runs due east west from the east end of
town 
into the mountains.   The other is 10 miles south and somewhat west of
the 
other one, and runs north-south, with the north end somewhat west of the

south end.  

The only common factor?   Both were on 5805.About 2 months ago, both
were 
down suddenly, and I had to move both from 5745 to 5805, all frequencies
in 
between were so hot I could not establish a link with a rssi of -72.
Again, 
the links end are 10 miles apart at their closest ends and run about 170

degrees angle from each other.   

Today, 5745 is clear and clean with no apparent issues as I have an AP
on it 
carrying 20 customers over looking the only common area between the two 
links, 5805 is buried, over a span of 30 miles.  The pattern was
obvious...  
about 5 seconds of no data moving, 5 seconds fine, steady pattern going
on 
and on and on.  About 50% ping loss, with the 1-ping-per-second showing
5 
good, 5 missed, 5 good, 5 missed.  

What could possibly be that strong that it can take down such widely
spread 
apart links?   In both cases, there is considerable elevation change,
such 
that low ends see nothing but dirt and sky (there's NOTHING but
mountains 
and clear sky beyond my higher elevation sites in both cases) beyond
their 
respective other ends, and that the far ends have considerable
downtilt and 
their respective beam patterns do not intersect, but instead, point into
dirt.

Something has to be so strong that it takes down the links from OUTSIDE
of 
the beam patterns of 26 db (or higher) grids.  




Mark Koskenmaki   Neofast, Inc
Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains
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