Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL

2007-01-29 Thread George Rogato
ATT is required to offer naked DSL for $19.95 in markets that are at 
least 80 percent upgraded for broadband. That describes many of ATT's 
biggest markets, says Kimmelman, who helped negotiate the settlement.


Under the deal, ATT's cheap DSL products will clock in at 768 kilobits 
per second.



So, this means ONLY in the markets that have 80% broadband penetration?

And it's only 768k, so upgrades are the norm.

Wonder if that icludes takes, modem rental and other fees may apply, as 
wel as early termination fees?


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RE: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL

2007-01-29 Thread Chadd Thompson

Almost makes you want to close the doors on the rural market and let the
FCC/Gov fund/force ATT or whoever to provide service in these underserved
areas. 

It is going to get to the point where we are only going to be able to
compete in areas where DSL/Cable is not available. I am not sure about the
rest of you but there are not enough of those customers in our area to
survive on that alone. 

It disgusts me anymore to see this type of stuff, well this and to see how
many ISP's are getting huge amount of $$$ from the government to provide
service in areas that are already served by one or more ISP's. One of our
local ISP's has received a cash cow to deploy fiber over a good portion of
Southern IL. I am surprised Scriv hasn't mentioned this as I think it is
going to encroach on a few areas he currently serves.

 
 Kimmelman, for one, thinks ATT's new DSL pricing will help discipline
 broadband pricing. Once ATT's $19.95 rate for naked DSL is broadly
 available, other broadband providers, including cable, will be
 hard-pressed to keep hiding behind a higher price.
 

They need to do something with ATT to get them to improve service and
reduce cost for competing ISP's who are forced to either buy bandwidth from
them or pay their outrageous local loop prices.

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Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL

2007-01-29 Thread George Rogato
I know it's not the answer your looking for, but I am in a market served 
by cable and dsl all at just as fast rates and just about the same 
pricing or less.


My advantage is the personalized service.

When was the last time the owner of ATT went to the home of a customer 
and gave them support.


Our nitch is being constantly redefined. Today it is service more than 
availability.


At least there is a segment of the market where we win hands down, the 
quality of service segment.


George

Chadd Thompson wrote:

Almost makes you want to close the doors on the rural market and let the
FCC/Gov fund/force ATT or whoever to provide service in these underserved
areas. 


It is going to get to the point where we are only going to be able to
compete in areas where DSL/Cable is not available. I am not sure about the
rest of you but there are not enough of those customers in our area to
survive on that alone. 


It disgusts me anymore to see this type of stuff, well this and to see how
many ISP's are getting huge amount of $$$ from the government to provide
service in areas that are already served by one or more ISP's. One of our
local ISP's has received a cash cow to deploy fiber over a good portion of
Southern IL. I am surprised Scriv hasn't mentioned this as I think it is
going to encroach on a few areas he currently serves.


Kimmelman, for one, thinks ATT's new DSL pricing will help discipline
broadband pricing. Once ATT's $19.95 rate for naked DSL is broadly
available, other broadband providers, including cable, will be
hard-pressed to keep hiding behind a higher price.



They need to do something with ATT to get them to improve service and
reduce cost for competing ISP's who are forced to either buy bandwidth from
them or pay their outrageous local loop prices.




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Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL

2007-01-29 Thread Peter R.

Taxes, fees, and recovery surcharges are extra.
Modem is free.
Early term is extra.
They didn't mention if you had to have a Cingular account.

George Rogato wrote:

ATT is required to offer naked DSL for $19.95 in markets that are at 
least 80 percent upgraded for broadband. That describes many of ATT's 
biggest markets, says Kimmelman, who helped negotiate the settlement.


Under the deal, ATT's cheap DSL products will clock in at 768 
kilobits per second.



So, this means ONLY in the markets that have 80% broadband penetration?

And it's only 768k, so upgrades are the norm.

Wonder if that icludes takes, modem rental and other fees may apply, 
as wel as early termination fees?



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Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL

2007-01-29 Thread Jack Unger

Nice words from ATT but...

I'm in Los Angeles County only 1/2 mile from the city/country line. ATT 
doesn't offer DSL here - apparently they don't think there are enough 
customers to justify the cost of upgrading their network. Will ATT be 
required to offer DSL here? It sounds like they will according to the 
terms of the ATT purchase of Bell South. I think the Los Angeles market 
is at least 80% upgraded for broadband but will ATT ever REALLY offer 
DSL here? I'm not holding my breath. Will there ever be any enforcement 
of these merger terms? Again, I'm not holding my breath.


I don't want to seem (or feel) ungrateful because half the secret of 
enjoying life is remembering to practice an attitude of gratitude. I'm 
grateful that there is a WISP in the area who provides me with 256 kbps 
symmetrical service for only $99.99 per month.


jack




Peter R. wrote:



 January 16, 2007


 ATT to offer $20 'naked' DSL service


   LESLIE CAULEY, USA TODAY

Cheaper high-speed Internet service is coming.

Within a few months, ATT is expected to start charging $19.95 a month 
for naked DSL, meaning you don't have to buy any other ATT service, 
including phone, to get that rate. It currently charges $45 for a 
stand-alone broadband subscription.


ATT also is developing $10 DSL for new subscribers who also buy 
ATT-branded phone service.


ATT plans to offer both services for at least 30 months. The clock 
starts as soon as the media giant starts selling them in any of the 22 
states where it is the incumbent local phone company, including 
California, Florida, Illinois and Texas.


Why so cheap? Three words: Federal Communications Commission.

The FCC, which has broad regulatory control over the U.S. 
telecommunications industry, recently approved ATT's acquisition of 
BellSouth. To get needed votes from the FCC's two Democratic members, 
ATT agreed, reluctantly, to offer these DSL bargains.


ATT is required to roll out the $19.95 offer within one year and the 
$10 rate within six months. Gene Kimmelman, public policy director of 
Consumers Union, says he expects ATT to move faster.


Under the terms of the FCC agreement, ATT is required to offer naked 
DSL for $19.95 in markets that are at least 80 percent upgraded for 
broadband. That describes many of ATT's biggest markets, says 
Kimmelman, who helped negotiate the settlement.


Under the deal, ATT's cheap DSL products will clock in at 768 kilobits 
per second. While that's slower than the 1.5 megabits to 3 megabits 
popular with many U.S. consumers, it's more than good enough for 
Internet telephony, Kimmelman says.


As such, he thinks the twin offers could help spur sales of Internet 
telephony across the United States. This opens the door for consumers 
to pick other local and long-distance providers, Kimmelman says.


For years, Kimmelman notes, consumers had to pay double, essentially, if 
they wanted to buy a high-speed broadband connection from one carrier 
and phone service from another. He says that let phone companies such as 
ATT push broadband sales while preserving their core phone business, 
which still accounts for the bulk of profit.


While ATT, for example, charges $45 for naked DSL, it sells a bundle 
that includes phone and DSL for just $28 a month.


Cable TV companies do the same thing. If purchased separately, Time 
Warner charges $45 a month for its high-speed cable modem service and 
$49.95 for digital phone. A bundle of both - plus TV service - costs $99.


Comcast's service is among the priciest: It charges almost $58 a month 
for stand-alone broadband.


Kimmelman, for one, thinks ATT's new DSL pricing will help discipline 
broadband pricing. Once ATT's $19.95 rate for naked DSL is broadly 
available, other broadband providers, including cable, will be 
hard-pressed to keep hiding behind a higher price.


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Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL

2007-01-29 Thread Ross Cornett
I have not and will not be concerned about the phone company.  We all should 
be streaming our businesses to have multiple revenue streams to adjust to 
the influx of customers coming and going from DSL and Cable.  I don't know 
what it is like in your areas, but just because they are here doesn't mean 
any of the following.

1.  their networks are capable even after upgrading.
2.  they have any clue on costomer service and the needs of their valued 
customers

3.  the customer is typically sick of the out of town influence
4. they cannot stay on a price point without stuffing all the inclusives 
down the customers throat.
5. they can never have the quality control that we have when we manage our 
networks becuase we care down to the placement of the ethernet in the home 
for the customers
6. computers are always going to create the need for us to repair them. 
ATT can't manage a phone let alone a computer
7.  When you get so big as they are money is everything.  We alwasy maintain 
customer relationships are everything.

8.  ok... you get my point.

As for $99 per month for you 256K... i am underpriced that is what the 
market will do for you.


It is an abosolute shame that the large companies have destroyed the margins 
in this business.  They found that they cann't manage the money from the 
phone services and now when they all had a chance to make some real money 
the screwed that up too.  Give it time and stay the course.  They cannot 
continue to smash the price to floor and make the money they need to stay 
afloat.  Mergers cost money, network upgrades cost money, every time they 
slip in cheap and press the locals out of business they win again.  Spread 
your streams out and stay the course.  Install Dish, sell computers, offer 
voip, network homes, fix computers, go onsite to fix the phones that the 
phone companies charge to much for, install cable, etc... shore up your 
business by spreading your weight out and when the ice gets thin from DSL 
you won't fall through the ice


Sorry so lengthy... but Telco stands for lack of quality and your money is 
leaving town.  Rural America doesn't like.


Ross

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] $20 'naked' DSL



Nice words from ATT but...

I'm in Los Angeles County only 1/2 mile from the city/country line. ATT 
doesn't offer DSL here - apparently they don't think there are enough 
customers to justify the cost of upgrading their network. Will ATT be 
required to offer DSL here? It sounds like they will according to the 
terms of the ATT purchase of Bell South. I think the Los Angeles market 
is at least 80% upgraded for broadband but will ATT ever REALLY offer 
DSL here? I'm not holding my breath. Will there ever be any enforcement of 
these merger terms? Again, I'm not holding my breath.


I don't want to seem (or feel) ungrateful because half the secret of 
enjoying life is remembering to practice an attitude of gratitude. I'm 
grateful that there is a WISP in the area who provides me with 256 kbps 
symmetrical service for only $99.99 per month.


jack




Peter R. wrote:



 January 16, 2007


 ATT to offer $20 'naked' DSL service


   LESLIE CAULEY, USA TODAY

Cheaper high-speed Internet service is coming.

Within a few months, ATT is expected to start charging $19.95 a month 
for naked DSL, meaning you don't have to buy any other ATT service, 
including phone, to get that rate. It currently charges $45 for a 
stand-alone broadband subscription.


ATT also is developing $10 DSL for new subscribers who also buy 
ATT-branded phone service.


ATT plans to offer both services for at least 30 months. The clock 
starts as soon as the media giant starts selling them in any of the 22 
states where it is the incumbent local phone company, including 
California, Florida, Illinois and Texas.


Why so cheap? Three words: Federal Communications Commission.

The FCC, which has broad regulatory control over the U.S. 
telecommunications industry, recently approved ATT's acquisition of 
BellSouth. To get needed votes from the FCC's two Democratic members, 
ATT agreed, reluctantly, to offer these DSL bargains.


ATT is required to roll out the $19.95 offer within one year and the $10 
rate within six months. Gene Kimmelman, public policy director of 
Consumers Union, says he expects ATT to move faster.


Under the terms of the FCC agreement, ATT is required to offer naked DSL 
for $19.95 in markets that are at least 80 percent upgraded for 
broadband. That describes many of ATT's biggest markets, says Kimmelman, 
who helped negotiate the settlement.


Under the deal, ATT's cheap DSL products will clock in at 768 kilobits 
per second. While that's slower than the 1.5 megabits to 3 megabits 
popular with many U.S. consumers, it's more than good enough for 
Internet telephony, Kimmelman says.


As such, he thinks the twin offers