Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux Marlon K. Schafer (509

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-30 Thread John Scrivner
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Scriv needs to hire a good consultant to come check things out! big grin Know any? :D The hard part there would be that it's not, in any way, predictable. We've gone several

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-29 Thread Mike Ireton
John Scrivner wrote: Mac, We believe this is truly an outside offender in 2.4 GHz. I have personally seen a carrier that is several times more power than anything I have ever seen. I only saw it for a brief instant though. This interference just does not last long enough to be caught. The

RE: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-28 Thread Mac Dearman
find Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux On Fri, October 27, 2006 3:11 pm, Eric Merkel wrote: 1) Turning off

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-28 Thread David E. Smith
Mac Dearman wrote: I tend to believe you will find your answer on your network -vs- big bad leak somewhere and the only real suggestion I can offer you would be to do what we do here when we start having weird issues [ snip: Mac's good advice on how to track down broadcast storms and other

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-28 Thread Rich Comroe
and scrolling to spot the offenders. Rich - Original Message - From: Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux On 10/27/06, Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We look at the traffic

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-28 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Since your customers are mostly on a bridged network then a single malicious or misbehaving customer radio can take your WHOLE network down. The reason your backhaul is not affected is simply because it has more capacity than the prism AP units. I know you guys are tired of hearing from me

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-28 Thread John Scrivner
: Friday, October 27, 2006 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux On Fri, October 27, 2006 3:11 pm, Eric Merkel wrote: 1) Turning off inter-BSS Relay Already done, on most towers. (We do have a couple of towers where one business, with two locations, wants to do

RE: SPAM ? Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-28 Thread Mac Dearman
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: SPAM ? Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux Importance: Low Since your customers are mostly on a bridged network then a single malicious or misbehaving customer

RE: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-28 Thread Mac Dearman
a personal phone call :-) Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux Mac, We believe this is truly an outside offender

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-28 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, You may have covered this before, but I probably missed it in your original post. What equipment are you running for each of the different frequencies (2.4ghz, 900mhz, 5.8ghz, etc.). Is it possible the 2.4ghz AP's are just not able to handle the high packet loads (broadcast storms,

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Scriv needs to hire a good consultant to come check things out! big grin Anyway, I've seen things like this before. Not this bad, but close enough. There have been a few causes. First, as I recall, this ONLY effects towers within a 15 mile radius. But it effects ALL towers within that

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread Jack Unger
If it's true that there's a giant something that's spewing noise, you can use a spectrum analyzer and try to identify the noise signature, then triangulate. jack David E. Smith wrote: This problem was mentioned back in May (see

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread David E. Smith
Jack Unger wrote: If it's true that there's a giant something that's spewing noise, you can use a spectrum analyzer and try to identify the noise signature, then triangulate. If it would just stay broken for a couple hours, I'd love to do that. Sadly, this problem usually just shows up for a

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread Eric Merkel
On 10/27/06, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Unger wrote: If it's true that there's a giant something that's spewing noise, you can use a spectrum analyzer and try to identify the noise signature, then triangulate. If it would just stay broken for a couple hours, I'd love to do

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread John Scrivner
This has been our plan all along. It just will not stay screwed up long enough to get a single heading. The signal level of the interference looks like data but it varies in level so much that finding the heading is not easy. I know spectrum analysis and this one has me stumped. I wish it

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread Rich Comroe
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux On 10/27/06, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Unger wrote: If it's true that there's a giant something that's spewing noise, you can use a spectrum analyzer

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Maybe there is a microwave lighting system somewhere nearby. You know what to do with an outdoor light that needs to be shut off.:^) Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Scrivner wrote: This has been our plan all along. It just will not stay screwed up long enough to get a single heading.

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread Eric Merkel
On 10/27/06, Rich Comroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We look at the traffic on the tower for abuse and/or virus and don't really find anything. Just to be clear, you've checked your AP broadcast levels during the events and not found found them elevated? We found the most crippling network events

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread David E. Smith
On Fri, October 27, 2006 1:07 pm, Eric Merkel wrote: We have a similar situation happening mainly on one tower of ours. Basicially it is a StarOS V2 on WRAP boards setup using Prism cards for the AP's. We have 4 90* horizontal sectors. Hm. A few months back, we converted the last of our

Re: [WISPA] The Gremlin, redux

2006-10-27 Thread David E. Smith
On Fri, October 27, 2006 3:11 pm, Eric Merkel wrote: 1) Turning off inter-BSS Relay Already done, on most towers. (We do have a couple of towers where one business, with two locations, wants to do VPN-type stuff between 'em.) 2) We block all the typical MS ports(135-139) which broadcast all