Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speed internet access in rural areas]

2006-08-08 Thread Cliff Leboeuf
Travis, do you remember the term 'fuzzy math'?



On 8/7/06 10:59 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Can someone explain to me how having broadband (instead of dial-up
 internet that EVERYONE can get) is going to create 61,000 jobs per year
 for the next 20 years? If it will create jobs from people doing more
 online, then it will decrease jobs from the brick and mortar businesses
 going out of business. Am I missing something?
 
 Travis
 Microserv
 
 John Scrivner wrote:
 
 This is the US Senator in my district in Illinois. It looks like he
 has been reading my emails maybe. :-) At least he is getting parts of
 what I have been saying.
 Scriv
 
 
 *DURBIN INTRODUCES BILL TO ENCOURAGE HIGH SPEED INTERNET ACCESS IN
 RURAL AREAS *
 
 Friday, August 4, 2006
 
 [WASHINGTON, DC] ­ U.S Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) says a national
 policy is needed to accelerate the deployment of broadband internet
 service to rural areas so that every American can have high-speed
 internet access no matter where they live. Today, Durbin introduced
 legislation, the Broadband for Rural America Act of 2006, to encourage
 the rapid deployment of high-quality, affordable broadband internet
 service, especially in rural areas.
 
 ³Broadband is an essential component of our lives, at work and at
 home. It has become an essential service like water, gas and
 electricity. Our homes and businesses need affordable access to high
 speed internet connections, in the same way our homes and businesses
 need traditional utility services,² said Durbin. ³Yet, for too many
 people living in small communities today, broadband access is still
 not a reality. When I travel in downstate Illinois, people tell me
 that they cannot wait to have broadband service, but that there is no
 service available to them right now. My bill will change that.²
 
 Two recent reports -- one issued by the U.S. Department of Commerce
 and the other by the U.S. Department of Agriculture ­ found that rural
 and farm households have access to broadband internet at approximately
 half the level of all U.S. households nationwide. Another respected
 research organization, the Pew Internet and American Life Project,
 found similar results. In its 2006 report, Pew found that only 18% of
 rural adults reported a home broadband connection, compared to 31% of
 urban adults. All of these studies point to a consistent conclusion:
 Americans living in urban areas are almost twice as likely to have
 home broadband access as do their rural counterparts.
 
 Durbin said broadband is critical to community and economic
 development, as it encourages investment, creates jobs, improves
 productivity, fosters innovation, and increases consumer benefits in
 every corner of our nation. A recent study found that adoption of
 current generation broadband would increase the gross domestic product
 by $179.7 billion, while adding approximately 61,000 jobs per year
 over the two decades. The study also projected 1.2 million jobs could
 be created if next generation broadband technology were rapidly deployed.
 
 ³We need to close the digital divide, ensuring that rural Americans
 are not left behind in the 21st Century¹s digital economy,² Durbin
 noted. ³Whether it is through telephone wire, cable, fiber, satellite,
 wireless or any other medium, we need every existing and future
 broadband service provider to step up to the national challenge.²
 
 Durbin said his bill includes four major provisions. Each is designed
 to focus on identifying obstacles that hinder broadband deployment in
 rural America today, and to find innovative solutions to address those
 concerns.
 
 Creates Broadband Trust Fund: creates a new federal program
 specifically targeted at assisting individuals, businesses and co-ops
 working at the earliest stages to bring broadband to their
 communities. Eligible entities include nonprofits, academic
 institutions, local governments and commercial companies that work to
 identify broadband access needs in unserved areas of the country.
 Projects to be funded through this new program will include
 feasibility studies, mapping, economic analysis, and other activities
 done to determine the reasons for the current lack of service, and the
 scale, scope, and type of broadband services most suitable for the
 particular unserved area.
 
 Reforms USDA Rural Broadband Program: the current USDA broadband loan
 program provides below-market rate loans and loan guarantees for the
 construction and improvement of broadband facilities and equipment in
 rural areas. This program expires in 2007. Durbin¹s bill does three
 things with regard to the broadband loan program -- extends the life
 of the program for another five years until 2012; refocuses the
 program solely on rural areas where it is most needed; and establishes
 a grant program to be administered by the same USDA office that
 currently runs the rural broadband loan program.
 
 Wireless Broadband Spectrum: requires the 

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speed internet access in rural areas]

2006-08-08 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

That all sounds great, but we won't all of a sudden need 61,000 new 
medical transcriptionists every year for 20 years. ;)


Those people all had different jobs, or the same job somewhere else... 
so technically there wasn't a job created, there was a job moved.


Travis
Microserv

Peter R. wrote:

In a study of Iowa City, which introduced a muni fiber network in 199? 
- in comparison to the next city over that was doing better but did 
not install fiber -

housing rates increased in IC
tax base went up
large biz came to town
average per capita went up

Court reporters; medical transcriptionists; virtaul assistants; voice 
over people; architects; programmers - all need broadband. And they 
would like to live in better America. That's how BB improves the economy.


All from BB Properties mag. in 2005.

- Peter


Travis Johnson wrote:


Hi,

Can someone explain to me how having broadband (instead of dial-up 
internet that EVERYONE can get) is going to create 61,000 jobs per 
year for the next 20 years? If it will create jobs from people doing 
more online, then it will decrease jobs from the brick and mortar 
businesses going out of business. Am I missing something?


Travis
Microserv




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Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speed internet access in rural areas]

2006-08-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

I'm not nearly as impressed with this as you are John.

Money to study the issue AND a task force?  To study an issue that the 
senator has already laid out?  That the fcc's broadband task force AND 
spectrum policy force have studied to death?  bull.


It's an election year scam.

Naturally, the devil is always in the details.  I'm REALLY against the study 
crap, it's totally redundant.  But the grants and auction reform may be 
nice.  Have to see what they really put together.


I had such high hopes for USF reform, but that's not only not gotten better, 
it's gonna be worse for us.  And it looks like the TV band issue is either 
dead of wrapped up in junk that'll make it worthless too.


It always seems to go back to the government supporting the people that live 
off of it first and those of us that feed it last.


Getting cynical in my old age.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Frannie Wellings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:50 PM
Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speed 
internet access in rural areas]




This is the US Senator in my district in Illinois. It looks like he has
been reading my emails maybe. :-) At least he is getting parts of what I
have been saying.
Scriv


*DURBIN INTRODUCES BILL TO ENCOURAGE HIGH SPEED INTERNET ACCESS IN RURAL
AREAS *

Friday, August 4, 2006

[WASHINGTON, DC] – U.S Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) says a national policy
is needed to accelerate the deployment of broadband internet service to
rural areas so that every American can have high-speed internet access
no matter where they live. Today, Durbin introduced legislation, the
Broadband for Rural America Act of 2006, to encourage the rapid
deployment of high-quality, affordable broadband internet service,
especially in rural areas.

“Broadband is an essential component of our lives, at work and at home.
It has become an essential service like water, gas and electricity. Our
homes and businesses need affordable access to high speed internet
connections, in the same way our homes and businesses need traditional
utility services,” said Durbin. “Yet, for too many people living in
small communities today, broadband access is still not a reality. When I
travel in downstate Illinois, people tell me that they cannot wait to
have broadband service, but that there is no service available to them
right now. My bill will change that.”

Two recent reports -- one issued by the U.S. Department of Commerce and
the other by the U.S. Department of Agriculture – found that rural and
farm households have access to broadband internet at approximately half
the level of all U.S. households nationwide. Another respected research
organization, the Pew Internet and American Life Project, found similar
results. In its 2006 report, Pew found that only 18% of rural adults
reported a home broadband connection, compared to 31% of urban adults.
All of these studies point to a consistent conclusion: Americans living
in urban areas are almost twice as likely to have home broadband access
as do their rural counterparts.

Durbin said broadband is critical to community and economic development,
as it encourages investment, creates jobs, improves productivity,
fosters innovation, and increases consumer benefits in every corner of
our nation. A recent study found that adoption of current generation
broadband would increase the gross domestic product by $179.7 billion,
while adding approximately 61,000 jobs per year over the two decades.
The study also projected 1.2 million jobs could be created if next
generation broadband technology were rapidly deployed.

“We need to close the digital divide, ensuring that rural Americans are
not left behind in the 21st Century’s digital economy,” Durbin noted.
“Whether it is through telephone wire, cable, fiber, satellite, wireless
or any other medium, we need every existing and future broadband service
provider to step up to the national challenge.”

Durbin said his bill includes four major provisions. Each is designed to
focus on identifying obstacles that hinder broadband deployment in rural
America today, and to find innovative solutions to address those concerns.

Creates Broadband Trust Fund: creates a new federal program specifically
targeted at assisting individuals, businesses and co-ops working at the
earliest stages to bring broadband to their communities. Eligible
entities include nonprofits, academic institutions, local governments
and commercial companies that work to identify broadband access needs in
unserved areas of the country. Projects to be funded through this new
program 

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speed internet access in rural areas]

2006-08-08 Thread John Scrivner

Replies below:

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


I'm not nearly as impressed with this as you are John.


I never described this with the word impressed. I am never impressed 
that easily!  :-)




Money to study the issue AND a task force?  To study an issue that the 
senator has already laid out?  That the fcc's broadband task force AND 
spectrum policy force have studied to death?  bull.


I think part of this is to help the Connect SI initiative in Durbin's 
district of which I am a supporting member. It is a group dedicated to 
analyzing the availability of broadband, developing plans to build more 
broadband availability, build a common peering facility in the region 
and ways to use it to positively impact the economy in Southern 
Illinois. Sadly the WISPs walked out before anyone even had a chance to 
see what was on the table. This is a good deal for us if people just 
try. That is too much to ask many WISPs though it seems. I am the only 
WISP in the group. I am also the only small company who would donate 
time and money to the effort. If people want to see the government do 
positive things then they have to be part of the effort. Telling the 
government to buzz off does not work.




It's an election year scam.


Nice of you to sum up the hundreds of hours I have committed to state 
level broadband initiatives as an election year scam. If this goes the 
way I want then my service area will be color coded by signal 
availability down to the quarter-section level on the plat book and I 
will have access to every state and federal program for broadband 
available. I do not lobby for programs to be created but I do tell the 
politicians what I need to bring broadband to rural areas when they ask 
e and a good part of what Durbin is stating has to do with things me and 
others have asked him to do to help.




Naturally, the devil is always in the details.  I'm REALLY against the 
study crap, it's totally redundant.  But the grants and auction reform 
may be nice.  Have to see what they really put together.


In case you do not remember t has been me for a long time saying that 
too much money is going to loans and not enough to grants. This is being 
addressed here unless he drops the ball.




I had such high hopes for USF reform, but that's not only not gotten 
better, it's gonna be worse for us.  And it looks like the TV band 
issue is either dead of wrapped up in junk that'll make it worthless too.


What is your source of information on the TV bands? I have not received 
a single negative message in regard to the TV reform issues. If you want 
some USF funds then signup and get a SPIN number. Ask your local school 
to help you. They can set you up in about an hour. You can collect some 
USF now.

Scriv



It always seems to go back to the government supporting the people 
that live off of it first and those of us that feed it last.

Getting cynical in my old age.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Frannie Wellings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:50 PM
Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speed 
internet access in rural areas]




This is the US Senator in my district in Illinois. It looks like he has
been reading my emails maybe. :-) At least he is getting parts of what I
have been saying.
Scriv


*DURBIN INTRODUCES BILL TO ENCOURAGE HIGH SPEED INTERNET ACCESS IN RURAL
AREAS *

Friday, August 4, 2006

[WASHINGTON, DC] – U.S Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) says a national policy
is needed to accelerate the deployment of broadband internet service to
rural areas so that every American can have high-speed internet access
no matter where they live. Today, Durbin introduced legislation, the
Broadband for Rural America Act of 2006, to encourage the rapid
deployment of high-quality, affordable broadband internet service,
especially in rural areas.

“Broadband is an essential component of our lives, at work and at home.
It has become an essential service like water, gas and electricity. Our
homes and businesses need affordable access to high speed internet
connections, in the same way our homes and businesses need traditional
utility services,” said Durbin. “Yet, for too many people living in
small communities today, broadband access is still not a reality. When I
travel in downstate Illinois, people tell me that they cannot wait to
have broadband service, but that there is no service available to them
right now. My bill will change that.”

Two recent reports -- one issued by the U.S. Department of Commerce and
the other by the U.S. Department of Agriculture – found that 

Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Durbin introduces bill to encourage high speed internet access in rural areas]

2006-08-07 Thread Travis Johnson

Hi,

Can someone explain to me how having broadband (instead of dial-up 
internet that EVERYONE can get) is going to create 61,000 jobs per year 
for the next 20 years? If it will create jobs from people doing more 
online, then it will decrease jobs from the brick and mortar businesses 
going out of business. Am I missing something?


Travis
Microserv

John Scrivner wrote:

This is the US Senator in my district in Illinois. It looks like he 
has been reading my emails maybe. :-) At least he is getting parts of 
what I have been saying.

Scriv


*DURBIN INTRODUCES BILL TO ENCOURAGE HIGH SPEED INTERNET ACCESS IN 
RURAL AREAS *


Friday, August 4, 2006

[WASHINGTON, DC] – U.S Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) says a national 
policy is needed to accelerate the deployment of broadband internet 
service to rural areas so that every American can have high-speed 
internet access no matter where they live. Today, Durbin introduced 
legislation, the Broadband for Rural America Act of 2006, to encourage 
the rapid deployment of high-quality, affordable broadband internet 
service, especially in rural areas.


“Broadband is an essential component of our lives, at work and at 
home. It has become an essential service like water, gas and 
electricity. Our homes and businesses need affordable access to high 
speed internet connections, in the same way our homes and businesses 
need traditional utility services,” said Durbin. “Yet, for too many 
people living in small communities today, broadband access is still 
not a reality. When I travel in downstate Illinois, people tell me 
that they cannot wait to have broadband service, but that there is no 
service available to them right now. My bill will change that.”


Two recent reports -- one issued by the U.S. Department of Commerce 
and the other by the U.S. Department of Agriculture – found that rural 
and farm households have access to broadband internet at approximately 
half the level of all U.S. households nationwide. Another respected 
research organization, the Pew Internet and American Life Project, 
found similar results. In its 2006 report, Pew found that only 18% of 
rural adults reported a home broadband connection, compared to 31% of 
urban adults. All of these studies point to a consistent conclusion: 
Americans living in urban areas are almost twice as likely to have 
home broadband access as do their rural counterparts.


Durbin said broadband is critical to community and economic 
development, as it encourages investment, creates jobs, improves 
productivity, fosters innovation, and increases consumer benefits in 
every corner of our nation. A recent study found that adoption of 
current generation broadband would increase the gross domestic product 
by $179.7 billion, while adding approximately 61,000 jobs per year 
over the two decades. The study also projected 1.2 million jobs could 
be created if next generation broadband technology were rapidly deployed.


“We need to close the digital divide, ensuring that rural Americans 
are not left behind in the 21st Century’s digital economy,” Durbin 
noted. “Whether it is through telephone wire, cable, fiber, satellite, 
wireless or any other medium, we need every existing and future 
broadband service provider to step up to the national challenge.”


Durbin said his bill includes four major provisions. Each is designed 
to focus on identifying obstacles that hinder broadband deployment in 
rural America today, and to find innovative solutions to address those 
concerns.


Creates Broadband Trust Fund: creates a new federal program 
specifically targeted at assisting individuals, businesses and co-ops 
working at the earliest stages to bring broadband to their 
communities. Eligible entities include nonprofits, academic 
institutions, local governments and commercial companies that work to 
identify broadband access needs in unserved areas of the country. 
Projects to be funded through this new program will include 
feasibility studies, mapping, economic analysis, and other activities 
done to determine the reasons for the current lack of service, and the 
scale, scope, and type of broadband services most suitable for the 
particular unserved area.


Reforms USDA Rural Broadband Program: the current USDA broadband loan 
program provides below-market rate loans and loan guarantees for the 
construction and improvement of broadband facilities and equipment in 
rural areas. This program expires in 2007. Durbin’s bill does three 
things with regard to the broadband loan program -- extends the life 
of the program for another five years until 2012; refocuses the 
program solely on rural areas where it is most needed; and establishes 
a grant program to be administered by the same USDA office that 
currently runs the rural broadband loan program.


Wireless Broadband Spectrum: requires the Federal Communications 
Commission (FCC) to make new spectrum available for wireless broadband 
services in rural areas as soon as