Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-22 Thread Michael Baird
I was able to resolve the issue, it was a config issue on the Ubiquity 
equipment. The installers used a standard config which I made early on 
with a PS2. It was flipping polarity. Simply going to the antenna 
selection page on Nano2 (we had this issue on a Nano to discover this 
issue), and selecting the write type again resolves the issue. On 
Bullet's a factory reset and reconfig took care of the issue, the grids 
weren't the issue.

Regards
Michael Baird
 It sounds like your problem might be one of wrong focal length. As I recall
 the focal length of the 2.4GHz 24dBi grid was around 16 inches.
 If your focal length is off, then any twisting or movement of the wire grid
 will have a big effect on the dipole output.

 Regards, Scott

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:18 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

 Using the same coax as you have been using?  Any new guys crimping the
 connectors???  Something has to be different.  Might be the signal jumps
 when the wind blows?  check the connections, maybe.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:07 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

 Well this is strange, we've seen it on different model Grids. We saw the 
 same behavior with Non-M and M based Bullets.
 The signal just keeps bouncing 20db from -74 to -94 for example, with an 
 Andrew it is solid at around the -74. Is it possible they are defective? 
 I can't see how we could be assembling these things improperly, it's 
 pretty obvious. We do use them in Horizontal polarity, but the feedhorn 
 is parallel to the wires when we do this. I mean it's like it's flipping 
 between HPOL/VPOL.

 Regards
 Michael Baird
   
 I've been installing pac grids with the 5ghz version of the new Bullet,
 
 the
   
 5hp, and it's been darn stable. Could it be something in the Airmax or the
 2ghz???  Dunno.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:58 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

 What grid type/vendors are most using here. Our installers are having 
 some issues with our Grid deployments. We've tried a few types of 
 Pac-Wireless's, some of them have had wildly fluctuating signal levels 
 they bounce 20db. Our Andrew grids seem to work fine, but we are looking 
 for a less costly alternative, any ideas? We are using Ubiquity 
 Bullet2-HP's as the client radios on these things. I'm just wondering 
 what causes this, we can take a different radio/antenna and get a rock 
 solid connection on the same pole, so we've discounted some kind of 
 interference issue.

 Regards
 Michael Baird



 
 
   
 
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-17 Thread Robert West
Using the same coax as you have been using?  Any new guys crimping the
connectors???  Something has to be different.  Might be the signal jumps
when the wind blows?  check the connections, maybe.  



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

Well this is strange, we've seen it on different model Grids. We saw the 
same behavior with Non-M and M based Bullets.
The signal just keeps bouncing 20db from -74 to -94 for example, with an 
Andrew it is solid at around the -74. Is it possible they are defective? 
I can't see how we could be assembling these things improperly, it's 
pretty obvious. We do use them in Horizontal polarity, but the feedhorn 
is parallel to the wires when we do this. I mean it's like it's flipping 
between HPOL/VPOL.

Regards
Michael Baird
 I've been installing pac grids with the 5ghz version of the new Bullet,
the
 5hp, and it's been darn stable. Could it be something in the Airmax or the
 2ghz???  Dunno.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:58 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

 What grid type/vendors are most using here. Our installers are having 
 some issues with our Grid deployments. We've tried a few types of 
 Pac-Wireless's, some of them have had wildly fluctuating signal levels 
 they bounce 20db. Our Andrew grids seem to work fine, but we are looking 
 for a less costly alternative, any ideas? We are using Ubiquity 
 Bullet2-HP's as the client radios on these things. I'm just wondering 
 what causes this, we can take a different radio/antenna and get a rock 
 solid connection on the same pole, so we've discounted some kind of 
 interference issue.

 Regards
 Michael Baird




 
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-17 Thread Scott Parsons
It sounds like your problem might be one of wrong focal length. As I recall
the focal length of the 2.4GHz 24dBi grid was around 16 inches.
If your focal length is off, then any twisting or movement of the wire grid
will have a big effect on the dipole output.

Regards, Scott

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:18 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

Using the same coax as you have been using?  Any new guys crimping the
connectors???  Something has to be different.  Might be the signal jumps
when the wind blows?  check the connections, maybe.  



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:07 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

Well this is strange, we've seen it on different model Grids. We saw the 
same behavior with Non-M and M based Bullets.
The signal just keeps bouncing 20db from -74 to -94 for example, with an 
Andrew it is solid at around the -74. Is it possible they are defective? 
I can't see how we could be assembling these things improperly, it's 
pretty obvious. We do use them in Horizontal polarity, but the feedhorn 
is parallel to the wires when we do this. I mean it's like it's flipping 
between HPOL/VPOL.

Regards
Michael Baird
 I've been installing pac grids with the 5ghz version of the new Bullet,
the
 5hp, and it's been darn stable. Could it be something in the Airmax or the
 2ghz???  Dunno.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:58 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

 What grid type/vendors are most using here. Our installers are having 
 some issues with our Grid deployments. We've tried a few types of 
 Pac-Wireless's, some of them have had wildly fluctuating signal levels 
 they bounce 20db. Our Andrew grids seem to work fine, but we are looking 
 for a less costly alternative, any ideas? We are using Ubiquity 
 Bullet2-HP's as the client radios on these things. I'm just wondering 
 what causes this, we can take a different radio/antenna and get a rock 
 solid connection on the same pole, so we've discounted some kind of 
 interference issue.

 Regards
 Michael Baird




 
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-16 Thread Michael Baird
Well this is strange, we've seen it on different model Grids. We saw the 
same behavior with Non-M and M based Bullets.
The signal just keeps bouncing 20db from -74 to -94 for example, with an 
Andrew it is solid at around the -74. Is it possible they are defective? 
I can't see how we could be assembling these things improperly, it's 
pretty obvious. We do use them in Horizontal polarity, but the feedhorn 
is parallel to the wires when we do this. I mean it's like it's flipping 
between HPOL/VPOL.

Regards
Michael Baird
 I've been installing pac grids with the 5ghz version of the new Bullet, the
 5hp, and it's been darn stable. Could it be something in the Airmax or the
 2ghz???  Dunno.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:58 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

 What grid type/vendors are most using here. Our installers are having 
 some issues with our Grid deployments. We've tried a few types of 
 Pac-Wireless's, some of them have had wildly fluctuating signal levels 
 they bounce 20db. Our Andrew grids seem to work fine, but we are looking 
 for a less costly alternative, any ideas? We are using Ubiquity 
 Bullet2-HP's as the client radios on these things. I'm just wondering 
 what causes this, we can take a different radio/antenna and get a rock 
 solid connection on the same pole, so we've discounted some kind of 
 interference issue.

 Regards
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I have tried a couple of different units.  I keep coming back to the Andrew 
grids.  Rock solid, relatively light, consistent performers.

laters,
marlon

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I have probably 100 or so PacWireless PA24-24 and I don't see that issue
 on any of them.  They have been solid for me.

 Michael Baird wrote:
 What grid type/vendors are most using here. Our installers are having
 some issues with our Grid deployments. We've tried a few types of
 Pac-Wireless's, some of them have had wildly fluctuating signal levels
 they bounce 20db. Our Andrew grids seem to work fine, but we are looking
 for a less costly alternative, any ideas? We are using Ubiquity
 Bullet2-HP's as the client radios on these things. I'm just wondering
 what causes this, we can take a different radio/antenna and get a rock
 solid connection on the same pole, so we've discounted some kind of
 interference issue.

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 Michael Baird


 
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-15 Thread Scott Reed
I have probably 100 or so PacWireless PA24-24 and I don't see that issue 
on any of them.  They have been solid for me.

Michael Baird wrote:
 What grid type/vendors are most using here. Our installers are having 
 some issues with our Grid deployments. We've tried a few types of 
 Pac-Wireless's, some of them have had wildly fluctuating signal levels 
 they bounce 20db. Our Andrew grids seem to work fine, but we are looking 
 for a less costly alternative, any ideas? We are using Ubiquity 
 Bullet2-HP's as the client radios on these things. I'm just wondering 
 what causes this, we can take a different radio/antenna and get a rock 
 solid connection on the same pole, so we've discounted some kind of 
 interference issue.

 Regards
 Michael Baird


 
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-15 Thread jason bailey
I am looking at using these grids/bullets as well,How much improvement do you 
see over,say a nanostation2? Thanks,Jason

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From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 8:34 PM


I have probably 100 or so PacWireless PA24-24 and I don't see that issue 
on any of them.  They have been solid for me.

Michael Baird wrote:
 What grid type/vendors are most using here. Our installers are having 
 some issues with our Grid deployments. We've tried a few types of 
 Pac-Wireless's, some of them have had wildly fluctuating signal levels 
 they bounce 20db. Our Andrew grids seem to work fine, but we are looking 
 for a less costly alternative, any ideas? We are using Ubiquity 
 Bullet2-HP's as the client radios on these things. I'm just wondering 
 what causes this, we can take a different radio/antenna and get a rock 
 solid connection on the same pole, so we've discounted some kind of 
 interference issue.

 Regards
 Michael Baird


 
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Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-15 Thread Robert West
I've been installing pac grids with the 5ghz version of the new Bullet, the
5hp, and it's been darn stable. Could it be something in the Airmax or the
2ghz???  Dunno.  



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

What grid type/vendors are most using here. Our installers are having 
some issues with our Grid deployments. We've tried a few types of 
Pac-Wireless's, some of them have had wildly fluctuating signal levels 
they bounce 20db. Our Andrew grids seem to work fine, but we are looking 
for a less costly alternative, any ideas? We are using Ubiquity 
Bullet2-HP's as the client radios on these things. I'm just wondering 
what causes this, we can take a different radio/antenna and get a rock 
solid connection on the same pole, so we've discounted some kind of 
interference issue.

Regards
Michael Baird




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