Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Matt Liotta

Tom DeReggi wrote:

Have you confirmed wether the Andrews 3 ft dishes really deliver the 2 
db extra gain (34 db)?



We have.

-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Tom DeReggi

Dustin,


It's disturbing that you take offense when someone makes a profit
for building a better product


You have misunderstood. No offense was taken.  My point was that just 
because it has a higher price tag does not make it a better antenna.  Many 
people assume a name brand means better, which rarely is the case, it just 
means they spend more money on marketing.  Also, I just questioned, what 
value should be given to a product of a higher price. If I pay twice the 
price, do I get twice the benefit from the product? In andrews case, a 
better mount does not add value for me, as the competitor mount is already 
good enough.  Travis, Posted an interesting point about the Drum design 
antenna, that added a much ,arger value for him, getting rid of truck rolls 
to the top of the mountain every time it snows daily.  I'd pay an extra $300 
for that benefit any day of the week.


I don't mind paying more for value. I just expect to understand clearly what 
that value is, and I need that value to be proven.


There may be many on this list including myself, that may not totally 
understand all the factors to consider in an antenna.
With Dual Pol 900 Tilteks, I learned the value, and have no hesitance to pay 
the price.


We've discussed many reasons, why one antenna could be better than another, 
however, not all the antennas we have discussed as a overly priced antenna 
possessesthose higher quality traits.


I've considered using Andrews, because the extra, 2 db gain, but I wanted to 
know that was infact the case. Manufacturers often do exadurate their spec 
sheets. You never know.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: dustin jurman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas


So if I read this correctly, I guess you drive a VW bug.  (I hope that got 
a

big laugh after your rant)

I think the point was made in an earlier email that quality and 
performance

go hand in hand but don't take my word on it, This is an excellent project
for Charles to do in the next WINOG that I plan to attend.

While pure gain is a small part of the equation, how clean the frequency 
is

received is another, What about Front to back ratio's? I have two Spectra
radio's collocated on the same tower on the same freq at the same height 
on

some 3 foot dishes.  (Ok they are 20 feet apart! But horizontal not
vertical).  But Spectra/Moto300's are super sensitive so they hear a lot
more than the standard 802.11a radio.

You really can see dish quality with the Orthogon/moto radio's because 
they

give you so much information on how the signal is received over a generic
RSSI or DBM level.  Charles are you listening?  A lot of value can be 
taken

from this rant.

Lastly since you are really broaching a few different subjects, if you 
want

to talk about value of your services and time we should start another
thread. It's disturbing that you take offense when someone makes a profit
for building a better product. At a time when ISP's should be going 
wireless

or deploying their own network why do you want to compete with the LEC?

Tom, I'll buy you a beer at ISPCON - I love productive threads.

Dustin Jurman
President
Rapid Systems Corporation
1211 N. Westshore Blvd
Tampa, FL 33607
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

Dustin,

Your point is well taken, and I agree not all complete packages are 
created

equal.

However, 2 points

1) I never had a Pac Wireless dish move on me yet. So there is nothing 
wrong

with being cheaper and cheesier, if its good enough for the job.

2) Product is cheap to manufacturer in quantity.  man hours (labor)on the
other hand isn't, expecially mine.  No matter how much volume I do, my 
labor

doesn;t get cheaper, I'd argue that my labor rate goes up the more work I
have, because its in finite supply, unlike product that has an infinite
supply.

My point is, my job is to put money in my pocket, or pass the savings on 
to

my subscribers, not to put money in the pocket of a manufacturer that over
engineers. Its like the restaurants that attract people by givingthem 
these
huge platefulls of food, that rarely can ever be eaten in full, and half 
of

goes in the trash can. I'd rather save a dollar, than pay for waste.

We need cost effective alternatives for product. The most cost effective
vendors will sell more product.  Its the nature of the world we live in.
There's no room for fat, in todays competitive world.

However, with that said, I am one to pay for quality, when there is in 
fact
additional value delivered worth paying for, apposed to the fabrocation 
that

quality is added based on name brand recognition.

For example, my

RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread dustin jurman
Well that's true,  It's also dependant on the technology that you are using,
the antenna is only one part. 

Dustin 

 

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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

Dustin,

It's disturbing that you take offense when someone makes a profit  for 
building a better product

You have misunderstood. No offense was taken.  My point was that just
because it has a higher price tag does not make it a better antenna.  Many
people assume a name brand means better, which rarely is the case, it just
means they spend more money on marketing.  Also, I just questioned, what
value should be given to a product of a higher price. If I pay twice the
price, do I get twice the benefit from the product? In andrews case, a
better mount does not add value for me, as the competitor mount is already
good enough.  Travis, Posted an interesting point about the Drum design
antenna, that added a much ,arger value for him, getting rid of truck rolls
to the top of the mountain every time it snows daily.  I'd pay an extra $300
for that benefit any day of the week.

I don't mind paying more for value. I just expect to understand clearly what
that value is, and I need that value to be proven.

There may be many on this list including myself, that may not totally
understand all the factors to consider in an antenna.
With Dual Pol 900 Tilteks, I learned the value, and have no hesitance to pay
the price.

We've discussed many reasons, why one antenna could be better than another,
however, not all the antennas we have discussed as a overly priced antenna
possessesthose higher quality traits.

I've considered using Andrews, because the extra, 2 db gain, but I wanted to
know that was infact the case. Manufacturers often do exadurate their spec
sheets. You never know.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: dustin jurman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas


 So if I read this correctly, I guess you drive a VW bug.  (I hope that got

 a
 big laugh after your rant)

 I think the point was made in an earlier email that quality and 
 performance
 go hand in hand but don't take my word on it, This is an excellent project
 for Charles to do in the next WINOG that I plan to attend.

 While pure gain is a small part of the equation, how clean the frequency 
 is
 received is another, What about Front to back ratio's? I have two Spectra
 radio's collocated on the same tower on the same freq at the same height 
 on
 some 3 foot dishes.  (Ok they are 20 feet apart! But horizontal not
 vertical).  But Spectra/Moto300's are super sensitive so they hear a lot
 more than the standard 802.11a radio.

 You really can see dish quality with the Orthogon/moto radio's because 
 they
 give you so much information on how the signal is received over a generic
 RSSI or DBM level.  Charles are you listening?  A lot of value can be 
 taken
 from this rant.

 Lastly since you are really broaching a few different subjects, if you 
 want
 to talk about value of your services and time we should start another
 thread. It's disturbing that you take offense when someone makes a profit
 for building a better product. At a time when ISP's should be going 
 wireless
 or deploying their own network why do you want to compete with the LEC?

 Tom, I'll buy you a beer at ISPCON - I love productive threads.

 Dustin Jurman
 President
 Rapid Systems Corporation
 1211 N. Westshore Blvd
 Tampa, FL 33607
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:13 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

 Dustin,

 Your point is well taken, and I agree not all complete packages are 
 created
 equal.

 However, 2 points

 1) I never had a Pac Wireless dish move on me yet. So there is nothing 
 wrong
 with being cheaper and cheesier, if its good enough for the job.

 2) Product is cheap to manufacturer in quantity.  man hours (labor)on the
 other hand isn't, expecially mine.  No matter how much volume I do, my 
 labor
 doesn;t get cheaper, I'd argue that my labor rate goes up the more work I
 have, because its in finite supply, unlike product that has an infinite
 supply.

 My point is, my job is to put money in my pocket, or pass the savings on 
 to
 my subscribers, not to put money in the pocket of a manufacturer that over
 engineers. Its like the restaurants that attract people by givingthem 
 these
 huge platefulls of food, that rarely can ever be eaten in full, and half 
 of
 goes in the trash can. I'd rather save a dollar, than pay for waste.

 We need cost effective alternatives for product. The most cost

Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Matt Liotta

Tom DeReggi wrote:

There may be many on this list including myself, that may not totally 
understand all the factors to consider in an antenna.
With Dual Pol 900 Tilteks, I learned the value, and have no hesitance 
to pay the price.



What was the value?

-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-27 Thread Tom DeReggi

I could get 3 Horizontal pol 900 antennas back to back on a tower.
Great Front to back ratio on them, with sharp cut offs on edges. Atleast by 
900Mhz standards.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas



Tom DeReggi wrote:

There may be many on this list including myself, that may not totally 
understand all the factors to consider in an antenna.
With Dual Pol 900 Tilteks, I learned the value, and have no hesitance to 
pay the price.



What was the value?

-Matt

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RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-25 Thread dustin jurman
Next time someone goes up I'll have them take some pictures.

Dustin Jurman
President
Rapid Systems Corporation
1211 N. Westshore Blvd
Tampa, FL 33607
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:11 PM
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it has the Chester cheese doodle mount

Lol...would you mind posting a pic of what such a mount looks like?

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RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-24 Thread G.Villarini
Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft
Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?!

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic antennas 
have been around 

$1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves.

Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact me

off list.

I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet.
2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350.  It would be nice if 
someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol.

Tom DeReggi
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Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-24 Thread Tom DeReggi

I actually got clarification on the Pacwireless solutions yesterday.
2 ft feeds do not work for 3 ft dishes, different lengths.
The PacWireless is a dual pol feed on a 3 ft dish, but only has the gain of 
less than a 2 ft dish.
The purpose of upgrading from a two foot to three foot was to increase gain 
not decrease it.
So PacWirelesslesses Dual Pol dish today, is a useless product. I was told, 
its in engineering now for a redesign.


Gabrial 2ft dual pol- 28.9 dbi   ($350) - best value to day.
Radiowaves or Andrews 3ft dual pol- 32 dbi ($1024) - desperate to get 3 more 
db.

Gabriel 4 ft Dual Pol -34.5 db ($1000.)
Pacwireless 2ft single pol - 29 dbi ($180)
Pacwireless 3 ft single pol- 32 dbi ($250) - Very cost effective Option, if 
you can live with Single Pol.

Pacwireless Dual Pol (3 ft)- 27 dbi. ($450) - worthless.

There is a clear gap in our options for 3 ft dual pol, and good value.

Four feet dishes are a big pain, won't fit through some hallways and most 
roof hatches. And the windload is atrocious, when trying to mount it.


Three feet dishes are MUCH easier to work with, half the windloading, are 
safe to install on existing wall mounted masts of slightly smaller diameter 
(2.5) left from Teligent and simliar companies.  But yet maximizes the 
available DB able to get from an antenna for a link.


I'd really like to see a 3 ft Dual pol option under $600, at some point. 
What really is Dish antenna anyway? More or less just a large trash can lid! 
How much can it really cost? Its not that difficult. I'd like to see 
PacWireless finish the job, and redesign that feed to get the 32 dbi that it 
should be able to get.  Or Gabriel to fill in the hole. What I'd really like 
to see is Maxrad make a Dual pol version of their 3 ft dish. There 3 foot 
single pol dish was the best we have ever tested from a gain point of view, 
really sweat.  It out performed all the 4 fts from competitors. Its around 
$450 but its only single pol now :-(


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas



Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft
Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?!

Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic 
antennas

have been around 

$1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves.

Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact 
me


off list.

I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet.
2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350.  It would be nice if
someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-24 Thread G.Villarini
Use 2 Pac Wireless single pol.  3footers ? $500

Gino A. Villarini, 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

I actually got clarification on the Pacwireless solutions yesterday.
2 ft feeds do not work for 3 ft dishes, different lengths.
The PacWireless is a dual pol feed on a 3 ft dish, but only has the gain of 
less than a 2 ft dish.
The purpose of upgrading from a two foot to three foot was to increase gain 
not decrease it.
So PacWirelesslesses Dual Pol dish today, is a useless product. I was told, 
its in engineering now for a redesign.

Gabrial 2ft dual pol- 28.9 dbi   ($350) - best value to day.
Radiowaves or Andrews 3ft dual pol- 32 dbi ($1024) - desperate to get 3 more

db.
Gabriel 4 ft Dual Pol -34.5 db ($1000.)
Pacwireless 2ft single pol - 29 dbi ($180)
Pacwireless 3 ft single pol- 32 dbi ($250) - Very cost effective Option, if 
you can live with Single Pol.
Pacwireless Dual Pol (3 ft)- 27 dbi. ($450) - worthless.

There is a clear gap in our options for 3 ft dual pol, and good value.

Four feet dishes are a big pain, won't fit through some hallways and most 
roof hatches. And the windload is atrocious, when trying to mount it.

Three feet dishes are MUCH easier to work with, half the windloading, are 
safe to install on existing wall mounted masts of slightly smaller diameter 
(2.5) left from Teligent and simliar companies.  But yet maximizes the 
available DB able to get from an antenna for a link.

I'd really like to see a 3 ft Dual pol option under $600, at some point. 
What really is Dish antenna anyway? More or less just a large trash can lid!

How much can it really cost? Its not that difficult. I'd like to see 
PacWireless finish the job, and redesign that feed to get the 32 dbi that it

should be able to get.  Or Gabriel to fill in the hole. What I'd really like

to see is Maxrad make a Dual pol version of their 3 ft dish. There 3 foot 
single pol dish was the best we have ever tested from a gain point of view, 
really sweat.  It out performed all the 4 fts from competitors. Its around 
$450 but its only single pol now :-(

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas


 Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft
 Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?!

 Gino A. Villarini,
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.aeronetpr.com
 787.273.4143


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

 The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic 
 antennas
 have been around 

 $1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves.

 Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact 
 me

 off list.

 I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet.
 2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350.  It would be nice if
 someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol.

 Tom DeReggi
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 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-24 Thread dustin jurman
Tom,

You cannot forget that there are big differences in quality, it's not just
the dish but the mount as well.  As we utilize almost everything that you
list here with the exception of PAC Wireless there is a huge difference in
quality between Andrew and Gabriel quick fires.  While the Gabriel might be
the best value, it has the Chester cheese doodle mount when compared to that
of an Andrew.  

Dustin Jurman
President
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Tampa, FL 33607
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

I actually got clarification on the Pacwireless solutions yesterday.
2 ft feeds do not work for 3 ft dishes, different lengths.
The PacWireless is a dual pol feed on a 3 ft dish, but only has the gain of
less than a 2 ft dish.
The purpose of upgrading from a two foot to three foot was to increase gain
not decrease it.
So PacWirelesslesses Dual Pol dish today, is a useless product. I was told,
its in engineering now for a redesign.

Gabrial 2ft dual pol- 28.9 dbi   ($350) - best value to day.
Radiowaves or Andrews 3ft dual pol- 32 dbi ($1024) - desperate to get 3 more
db.
Gabriel 4 ft Dual Pol -34.5 db ($1000.)
Pacwireless 2ft single pol - 29 dbi ($180) Pacwireless 3 ft single pol- 32
dbi ($250) - Very cost effective Option, if you can live with Single Pol.
Pacwireless Dual Pol (3 ft)- 27 dbi. ($450) - worthless.

There is a clear gap in our options for 3 ft dual pol, and good value.

Four feet dishes are a big pain, won't fit through some hallways and most
roof hatches. And the windload is atrocious, when trying to mount it.

Three feet dishes are MUCH easier to work with, half the windloading, are
safe to install on existing wall mounted masts of slightly smaller diameter
(2.5) left from Teligent and simliar companies.  But yet maximizes the
available DB able to get from an antenna for a link.

I'd really like to see a 3 ft Dual pol option under $600, at some point. 
What really is Dish antenna anyway? More or less just a large trash can lid!

How much can it really cost? Its not that difficult. I'd like to see
PacWireless finish the job, and redesign that feed to get the 32 dbi that it
should be able to get.  Or Gabriel to fill in the hole. What I'd really like
to see is Maxrad make a Dual pol version of their 3 ft dish. There 3 foot
single pol dish was the best we have ever tested from a gain point of view,
really sweat.  It out performed all the 4 fts from competitors. Its around
$450 but its only single pol now :-(

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas


 Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft
 Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?!

 Gino A. Villarini,
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.aeronetpr.com
 787.273.4143


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

 The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic 
 antennas
 have been around 

 $1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves.

 Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact 
 me

 off list.

 I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet.
 2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350.  It would be nice if
 someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-24 Thread Charles Wu
it has the Chester cheese doodle mount 

Lol...would you mind posting a pic of what such a mount looks like?

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Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

2006-01-24 Thread Matt Liotta
When you compare the Andrew and Gabriel mounts there is no doubt the 
Andrew mount is more substantial, but it also appears to be over 
engineered for a relatively small dish. We prefer the Gabriel mounts 
over the Andrew since they are lighter and easier to work with, but not 
too light like Pacwireless. The Andrew and Gabriel mounts also have 
superior fine adjustment capabilities compared to Pacwireless.


-Matt

dustin jurman wrote:


Tom,

You cannot forget that there are big differences in quality, it's not just
the dish but the mount as well.  As we utilize almost everything that you
list here with the exception of PAC Wireless there is a huge difference in
quality between Andrew and Gabriel quick fires.  While the Gabriel might be
the best value, it has the Chester cheese doodle mount when compared to that
of an Andrew.  


Dustin Jurman
President
Rapid Systems Corporation
1211 N. Westshore Blvd
Tampa, FL 33607
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
813-232-4887




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

I actually got clarification on the Pacwireless solutions yesterday.
2 ft feeds do not work for 3 ft dishes, different lengths.
The PacWireless is a dual pol feed on a 3 ft dish, but only has the gain of
less than a 2 ft dish.
The purpose of upgrading from a two foot to three foot was to increase gain
not decrease it.
So PacWirelesslesses Dual Pol dish today, is a useless product. I was told,
its in engineering now for a redesign.

Gabrial 2ft dual pol- 28.9 dbi   ($350) - best value to day.
Radiowaves or Andrews 3ft dual pol- 32 dbi ($1024) - desperate to get 3 more
db.
Gabriel 4 ft Dual Pol -34.5 db ($1000.)
Pacwireless 2ft single pol - 29 dbi ($180) Pacwireless 3 ft single pol- 32
dbi ($250) - Very cost effective Option, if you can live with Single Pol.
Pacwireless Dual Pol (3 ft)- 27 dbi. ($450) - worthless.

There is a clear gap in our options for 3 ft dual pol, and good value.

Four feet dishes are a big pain, won't fit through some hallways and most
roof hatches. And the windload is atrocious, when trying to mount it.

Three feet dishes are MUCH easier to work with, half the windloading, are
safe to install on existing wall mounted masts of slightly smaller diameter
(2.5) left from Teligent and simliar companies.  But yet maximizes the
available DB able to get from an antenna for a link.

I'd really like to see a 3 ft Dual pol option under $600, at some point. 
What really is Dish antenna anyway? More or less just a large trash can lid!


How much can it really cost? Its not that difficult. I'd like to see
PacWireless finish the job, and redesign that feed to get the 32 dbi that it
should be able to get.  Or Gabriel to fill in the hole. What I'd really like
to see is Maxrad make a Dual pol version of their 3 ft dish. There 3 foot
single pol dish was the best we have ever tested from a gain point of view,
really sweat.  It out performed all the 4 fts from competitors. Its around
$450 but its only single pol now :-(

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: G.Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas


 


Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft
Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?!

Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic 
antennas

have been around 

$1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves.

Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact 
me


off list.

I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet.
2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350.  It would be nice if
someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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