Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I have a small wimax deployment with 20 subs and 130 phone lines and I wouldn't change a thing. All business customers with very high quality voip. I section all the voip traffic out with ugs and leave the Internet as best effort

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Jeremie Chism
-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I have a small wimax deployment

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal anyone know the benefits of WiMax? I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there are a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than simple polling or tdma approaches. After working some years in a WiMAX operator I couldn't agree

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Matt
We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 and 5 GHz

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Jeremie Chism
I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Matt
far. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Jeremie Chism
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know about you, but we

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Michael Baird
[mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but again we default to the but at what cost question. We believe this to be especially true in more

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Yes, we support PPPoE. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Do

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
[mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal I think the new motorola is mimo. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: We don't

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. More complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Gino Villarini
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 12:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal 802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Rubens Kuhl
, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that.  More complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Randy Cosby
In my limited toe-dipping into 802.16d (fixed) wimax, the biggest challenge I see is with the EMS-based control. It's just a completely different model than what we're doing with all-in-one AP's now. I don't yet completely understand how it works, but it concerns me a bit that each company

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Michael Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal They don't support PPPoE, at least not in anything but the indoor unit which isn't available for 3.65 or 802.16D. I didn't think Aperto's gear which is 802.16d supports MIMO either, that's

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Jayson Baker
: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
for everyone. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Why would

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Rubens Kuhl
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive alternatives and make them good products. The equivalent in WiMAX is PureWave Networks; their base station can do MIMO and beamforming and doesn't require an ASN-GW, which was the higher CAPEX

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett
18, 2010 12:13 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Apples to oranges. If you don't care about QoS and are happy with a best effort service offering with limited ability to do things like voice and video, the .11 stuff is fine. I appreciate it fits

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Patrick Leary
misunderstanding when I see it. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Forbes Mercy
I have to admit if MIMO is made available in the 3.65 range I'm going to use it in my city. I've been catering to my rural customers because 2.4 and 5GHZ isn't clogged out there. We already have a 3.65 license but haven't deployed it yet, I anxiously await the MIMO gear on that frequency.

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Chuck Bartosch
I'm pretty sure Alvarion's 802.16e is using MIMO. (But I'm using their .16d stuff so I'm not an expert in the .16e production line). Chuck On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have to admit if MIMO is made available in the 3.65 range I'm going to use it in my city. I've been

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Rubens Kuhl
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is something that I actually tested in the field with 3.5 GHz .16e, which

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Randy Cosby
Can someone clarify, is the Motorola 320 MIMO out of the box? Is it two (or more) antennas in the same polarity? Randy On 3/18/2010 1:23 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have to admit if MIMO is made available in the 3.65 range I'm going to use it in my city. I've been catering to my rural

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Randy Cosby
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is something that I actually tested in the field with 3.5 GHz .16e, which is not as popular as 2.3/2.5 WiBro/Clearwire/Yota frequencies. If Aperto has such interoperability issues, please

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Eric Muehleisen
In the Motorola 320, the AP as 2 TX and 2 RX. The SM's have 2 TX and 1 RX. It will operate at MIMO Matrix B if optimal signal can be achieved. Otherwise it operates at MIMO A. -Eric On 3/18/2010 2:39 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: Can someone clarify, is the Motorola 320 MIMO out of the box? Is it

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal What you call a total myth (CPE x

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's on your list of things you don't want? An ASN gateway sits between the Radio Access Network (where there are only tunnels from the base station to the

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Gino Villarini
Sm has 2 rx 1 tx Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: In the Motorola 320, the AP as 2 TX and 2 RX. The SM's have 2 TX and 1 RX. It will operate at MIMO Matrix B if optimal signal can be achieved. Otherwise it operates

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Randy Cosby
Thanks. Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not part of the picture, correct? On 3/18/2010 1:59 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote: For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Eric Muehleisen
You are correct. Thanks for the clarification. -Eric On 3/18/2010 2:58 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Sm has 2 rx 1 tx Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Mar 18, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Eric Muehleisenericm...@gmail.com wrote: In the Motorola 320, the AP as 2 TX and 2 RX. The SM's have 2 TX

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Correct. No ASN. Service flows and classifications are set directly in the AP. Radius is built into the SM. It's fully L3 routeable. Currently no L2 functionality. -Eric On 3/18/2010 3:11 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: Thanks. Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not part of

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Thanks.  Now, on the Motorola 320, for example, the ASN gateway is not part of the picture, correct? According ot its specs, no ASN gateway is required: Low Cost Infrastructure The CAP 320 does not require ASN gateways or

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-18 Thread RickG
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is something

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Jeremie Chism
Here is what I got Hi folks, We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto Networks are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So Aperto Networks -- the 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Glenn Kelley
Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go as far... I could be wrong - guess its time for an education anyone know the benefits of WiMax? What I really want are non

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Jerry Richardson
to egg on New Years Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? I

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 21:07 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? Sold on...not me. Recognize that there ARE some benefits...YES! I am not sure what this gives us over say ... a Fixed system except higher pricing for equipment and a product that does not go

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Glenn Kelley
well put kinda where we are - it makes sense perhaps in some places just not convinced ours is one of them ... yet ... :-) On Mar 17, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 21:07 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: Is any one here actually sold on WiMax ? Sold on...not me.

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Rubens Kuhl
anyone know the benefits of WiMax? I will leave most of the sales guys that man these lists, but there are a number of benefits to WiMAX that make it a better solution than simple polling or tdma approaches. After working some years in a WiMAX operator I couldn't agree more with Butch. The

Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

2010-03-17 Thread Jeremie Chism
I have a small wimax deployment with 20 subs and 130 phone lines and I wouldn't change a thing. All business customers with very high quality voip. I section all the voip traffic out with ugs and leave the Internet as best effort to guarantee service levels. All my subs can easily get 5-6