Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
What?? Bo On 1/4/06, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Be careful that you dont cut your nose off to spite your face on theTrango issue!I also know Trango is a better product than Moto is more ways than one and Trango is going to be releasing a lower priced 5.x SU that will bevery competitive with Moto as they have made some changes in theproduction of the external housing to allow a lower cost. I think theyare going to implement a cheap plastic housing like Motorola? Mac DearmanMaximum Access, LLC.www.inetsouth.comwww.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts)318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600Matt Liotta wrote: We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
The Tranzeo radios at least are 802.11, which we refuse to use for fixed wireless. -Matt Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Matt, I've talked to quite a few people who are looking at Tranzeo CPE/StarOS APs for 5.3/5.8Ghz multipoint deployments and have had good luck myself so far. The combination of StarOS AP units and Tranzeo CPE units seems to work fairly well. Within a 5 mile radius, you will probably be able to maintain 15-20meg of throughput and 40-50 subs per sector depending on the size of the pipes that you deliver to the customers. StarOS can handle batch firmware uploads, routing at the AP, bandwidth control at the AP, vlan tagging, OSFP/RIP routing, DNS at the AP, QOS and packet shaping for VOIP and other traffic and it also has great troubleshooting information along with hooks into several of the open source monitoring and traffic graphing systems. Another plus is that it will run on several hardware combinations, so you can choose the type of radio/sbc platform that best suits your needs. The Tranzeo CPE units are inexpensive ($225-$300), easy to install and work great with StarOS. If you go with an all StarOS system, my understanding is that the new version (v3) will also have the ability to use 5mhz, 10mhz and 20mhz channels and will be ready for 5.4Ghz with no need for additional hardware changes. It also works in the 4.9Ghz public safety spectrum. We provide the backhaul for several video feeds for the local law enforcement on 4.9 - works great. I think that is a combination worth considering. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brad Larson wrote: Matt, How much capacity do you need per 5.8 Ghz sector? Is this a business or residential rollout or both? How many subscribers per sector do you want to support? How large do you want to scale this network and is managment, batch firmware loads for radio updates, vlan tagging, voip support important to you? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
If you have already committed to that idea, then I can't really persuade you. With the exception of Canopy and some of the other specialized gear, just about everything else is 802.11 based in one way or another. Karlnet/Terabeam, Trango and even the Alvarion VL is based on 802.11 chipsets with a fancy MAC in front of it. FWIW, I know of quite a few people who have had better luck with Tranzeo 5.8 and StarOS units for backhauls and ptmp compared to non-802.11 systems like Canopy. Higher speeds and more flexibility when dealing with interference. But if that doesn't meet your parameters, then that is your prerogative. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Liotta wrote: The Tranzeo radios at least are 802.11, which we refuse to use for fixed wireless. -Matt Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Matt, I've talked to quite a few people who are looking at Tranzeo CPE/StarOS APs for 5.3/5.8Ghz multipoint deployments and have had good luck myself so far. The combination of StarOS AP units and Tranzeo CPE units seems to work fairly well. Within a 5 mile radius, you will probably be able to maintain 15-20meg of throughput and 40-50 subs per sector depending on the size of the pipes that you deliver to the customers. StarOS can handle batch firmware uploads, routing at the AP, bandwidth control at the AP, vlan tagging, OSFP/RIP routing, DNS at the AP, QOS and packet shaping for VOIP and other traffic and it also has great troubleshooting information along with hooks into several of the open source monitoring and traffic graphing systems. Another plus is that it will run on several hardware combinations, so you can choose the type of radio/sbc platform that best suits your needs. The Tranzeo CPE units are inexpensive ($225-$300), easy to install and work great with StarOS. If you go with an all StarOS system, my understanding is that the new version (v3) will also have the ability to use 5mhz, 10mhz and 20mhz channels and will be ready for 5.4Ghz with no need for additional hardware changes. It also works in the 4.9Ghz public safety spectrum. We provide the backhaul for several video feeds for the local law enforcement on 4.9 - works great. I think that is a combination worth considering. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brad Larson wrote: Matt, How much capacity do you need per 5.8 Ghz sector? Is this a business or residential rollout or both? How many subscribers per sector do you want to support? How large do you want to scale this network and is managment, batch firmware loads for radio updates, vlan tagging, voip support important to you? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
Matt, So what are you using to provide/inject MPLS support on your network? I heard there were some open source MPLS projects. Did any of them fly? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We mostly serve MTUs, so we don't have that many subscribers that aren't managed by our MPLS network. Radio management is important, but much less important than for the folks doing a more traditional fixed wireless network. -Matt Brad Larson wrote: Will this network be scaling to 10 subscribers in one town or 1,000 or more subscribers over many square miles? The more you scale may mean that features such as batch processing for easy firmware upgrades and other management features will save you money in the long run. Ongoing costs and radio features are seldom talked about when a question like yours is asked. X brand is cheaper may not be what you want or need to hear. Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We want as much capacity as possible, but certainly 10Mbps minimum. This is for business customers only and we won't be oversubscribing the sectors, so there isn't a need to support many subscribers per sector. Not sure what you are asking in terms of scale, could you be more specific? VoIP will be used across the radio links however the traffic is encapsulated in MPLS. -Matt Brad Larson wrote: Matt, How much capacity do you need per 5.8 Ghz sector? Is this a business or residential rollout or both? How many subscribers per sector do you want to support? How large do you want to scale this network and is managment, batch firmware loads for radio updates, vlan tagging, voip support important to you? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
Tom DeReggi wrote: Matt, So what are you using to provide/inject MPLS support on your network? I heard there were some open source MPLS projects. Did any of them fly? We use Cisco gear for MPLS. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
Be careful that you dont cut your nose off to spite your face on the Trango issue! I also know Trango is a better product than Moto is more ways than one and Trango is going to be releasing a lower priced 5.x SU that will be very competitive with Moto as they have made some changes in the production of the external housing to allow a lower cost. I think they are going to implement a cheap plastic housing like Motorola? Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Matt Liotta wrote: We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
A better product is nice and all, but there is more to product selection than just price/performance. We have to take into account availability. With distributors we can rely on them to stock a product, so that when we need it in a short time frame it is available. Distributors provide other benefits as well that I am sure most on this list are aware of. With Trango's actions we simply can't buy from them. -Matt Mac Dearman wrote: Be careful that you dont cut your nose off to spite your face on the Trango issue! I also know Trango is a better product than Moto is more ways than one and Trango is going to be releasing a lower priced 5.x SU that will be very competitive with Moto as they have made some changes in the production of the external housing to allow a lower cost. I think they are going to implement a cheap plastic housing like Motorola? Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Matt Liotta wrote: We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
Hi Matt, I just wanted to chime in here and let you know that although we are not using distributors any more we are committed to providing excellent customer service and are striving to have all products on hand at all times. Typically as long as we receive orders before 3 pm PST, we can ship same day. Trango got its start as a direct sales company and we have found that using the direct model we are able to best respond to the needs of our customers. John Seaman Trango Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [SPAM-HC] - Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses A better product is nice and all, but there is more to product selection than just price/performance. We have to take into account availability. With distributors we can rely on them to stock a product, so that when we need it in a short time frame it is available. Distributors provide other benefits as well that I am sure most on this list are aware of. With Trango's actions we simply can't buy from them. -Matt Mac Dearman wrote: Be careful that you dont cut your nose off to spite your face on the Trango issue! I also know Trango is a better product than Moto is more ways than one and Trango is going to be releasing a lower priced 5.x SU that will be very competitive with Moto as they have made some changes in the production of the external housing to allow a lower cost. I think they are going to implement a cheap plastic housing like Motorola? Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Matt Liotta wrote: We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
John, I want to add, there is one thing that Trango can't offer today with a direct model, and that is local availabilty. For example, when I need to rush an order in today, I'm going to need to eat some hefty Overnight shipping fees. So Trango forfets profit margins that could be theirs or ours and gives it to UPS. It would be nice if Trango got a warehouse on the East coast sooner or later. However with that said, it just means that we East Coast WISPs have to plan better. I believe that the little extra planning/forecasting that we are going to have to do, is minimal compared to the added benefits of having direct communication with our manufacturer again and the new lower prices. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios Hi Matt, I just wanted to chime in here and let you know that although we are not using distributors any more we are committed to providing excellent customer service and are striving to have all products on hand at all times. Typically as long as we receive orders before 3 pm PST, we can ship same day. Trango got its start as a direct sales company and we have found that using the direct model we are able to best respond to the needs of our customers. John Seaman Trango Broadband Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [SPAM-HC] - Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses A better product is nice and all, but there is more to product selection than just price/performance. We have to take into account availability. With distributors we can rely on them to stock a product, so that when we need it in a short time frame it is available. Distributors provide other benefits as well that I am sure most on this list are aware of. With Trango's actions we simply can't buy from them. -Matt Mac Dearman wrote: Be careful that you dont cut your nose off to spite your face on the Trango issue! I also know Trango is a better product than Moto is more ways than one and Trango is going to be releasing a lower priced 5.x SU that will be very competitive with Moto as they have made some changes in the production of the external housing to allow a lower cost. I think they are going to implement a cheap plastic housing like Motorola? Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Matt Liotta wrote: We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
Matt, How much capacity do you need per 5.8 Ghz sector? Is this a business or residential rollout or both? How many subscribers per sector do you want to support? How large do you want to scale this network and is managment, batch firmware loads for radio updates, vlan tagging, voip support important to you? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This mail passed through mail.alvarion.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This mail passed through mail.alvarion.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
We want as much capacity as possible, but certainly 10Mbps minimum. This is for business customers only and we won't be oversubscribing the sectors, so there isn't a need to support many subscribers per sector. Not sure what you are asking in terms of scale, could you be more specific? VoIP will be used across the radio links however the traffic is encapsulated in MPLS. -Matt Brad Larson wrote: Matt, How much capacity do you need per 5.8 Ghz sector? Is this a business or residential rollout or both? How many subscribers per sector do you want to support? How large do you want to scale this network and is managment, batch firmware loads for radio updates, vlan tagging, voip support important to you? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
Will this network be scaling to 10 subscribers in one town or 1,000 or more subscribers over many square miles? The more you scale may mean that features such as batch processing for easy firmware upgrades and other management features will save you money in the long run. Ongoing costs and radio features are seldom talked about when a question like yours is asked. X brand is cheaper may not be what you want or need to hear. Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We want as much capacity as possible, but certainly 10Mbps minimum. This is for business customers only and we won't be oversubscribing the sectors, so there isn't a need to support many subscribers per sector. Not sure what you are asking in terms of scale, could you be more specific? VoIP will be used across the radio links however the traffic is encapsulated in MPLS. -Matt Brad Larson wrote: Matt, How much capacity do you need per 5.8 Ghz sector? Is this a business or residential rollout or both? How many subscribers per sector do you want to support? How large do you want to scale this network and is managment, batch firmware loads for radio updates, vlan tagging, voip support important to you? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This mail passed through mail.alvarion.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This mail passed through mail.alvarion.com This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
We mostly serve MTUs, so we don't have that many subscribers that aren't managed by our MPLS network. Radio management is important, but much less important than for the folks doing a more traditional fixed wireless network. -Matt Brad Larson wrote: Will this network be scaling to 10 subscribers in one town or 1,000 or more subscribers over many square miles? The more you scale may mean that features such as batch processing for easy firmware upgrades and other management features will save you money in the long run. Ongoing costs and radio features are seldom talked about when a question like yours is asked. X brand is cheaper may not be what you want or need to hear. Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We want as much capacity as possible, but certainly 10Mbps minimum. This is for business customers only and we won't be oversubscribing the sectors, so there isn't a need to support many subscribers per sector. Not sure what you are asking in terms of scale, could you be more specific? VoIP will be used across the radio links however the traffic is encapsulated in MPLS. -Matt Brad Larson wrote: Matt, How much capacity do you need per 5.8 Ghz sector? Is this a business or residential rollout or both? How many subscribers per sector do you want to support? How large do you want to scale this network and is managment, batch firmware loads for radio updates, vlan tagging, voip support important to you? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios
Matt, I've talked to quite a few people who are looking at Tranzeo CPE/StarOS APs for 5.3/5.8Ghz multipoint deployments and have had good luck myself so far. The combination of StarOS AP units and Tranzeo CPE units seems to work fairly well. Within a 5 mile radius, you will probably be able to maintain 15-20meg of throughput and 40-50 subs per sector depending on the size of the pipes that you deliver to the customers. StarOS can handle batch firmware uploads, routing at the AP, bandwidth control at the AP, vlan tagging, OSFP/RIP routing, DNS at the AP, QOS and packet shaping for VOIP and other traffic and it also has great troubleshooting information along with hooks into several of the open source monitoring and traffic graphing systems. Another plus is that it will run on several hardware combinations, so you can choose the type of radio/sbc platform that best suits your needs. The Tranzeo CPE units are inexpensive ($225-$300), easy to install and work great with StarOS. If you go with an all StarOS system, my understanding is that the new version (v3) will also have the ability to use 5mhz, 10mhz and 20mhz channels and will be ready for 5.4Ghz with no need for additional hardware changes. It also works in the 4.9Ghz public safety spectrum. We provide the backhaul for several video feeds for the local law enforcement on 4.9 - works great. I think that is a combination worth considering. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brad Larson wrote: Matt, How much capacity do you need per 5.8 Ghz sector? Is this a business or residential rollout or both? How many subscribers per sector do you want to support? How large do you want to scale this network and is managment, batch firmware loads for radio updates, vlan tagging, voip support important to you? Brad -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Multi-point radios We are looking to start deploying 5.8Ghz multi-point radios at some of our sites. I am hoping some folks on this list can share experiences and ideas on what radios might meet our needs. We have experimented with Canopy and Trango, but would really like some better choices. From a specification standpoint, Canopy general meets our needs, but we don't like being constrained on the antenna. We would like to use sectors bigger than 60 degrees and we would like to use horizontal polarization. We don't want to use Trango for no other reason than they can't work with distributors. We really like the flexibility on many 802.11a-based radios and certainly the price, but the contention aspects of the protocol and the perception of Wi-Fi being a consumer grade technology stop us from going that route. Any thoughts from the list? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
