Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-21 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
Yo, Mac.  Read first.

I use them as clients, and am sorely disappointed with the performance of
Mikrotik in B mode.

I don't see what changing to a different SBC would do.   For that matter, I
put Ikarus on a board half the price of  the RB112 and got double the
throughput in the exact same spot.You don't get what you pay for, you
simply have to find that which works best.

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- Original Message - 
From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik


 Mark Koskenmaki:

 Am I missing something?

 YES!! No doubt!

 Is this just a setting problem or ???


 Or is a big word and I really think it is an or problem. I think you
 need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference
 between a RB532  a RB112.
 Were these vital links?
 Were they mission critical links?
 Do you have residual money coming in off these links?

  If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a
residential
 RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit
 bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and
 get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for!

  Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer
loss
 as you can reuse the RB112's as a client - - - that's what they were
built
 for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world
to
 pass through them all at once.

 I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one
 complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs
and
 this complaint is along those lines.

 You get what you pay for!!

 Mac







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RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-21 Thread Mac Dearman
Mark,


  I apologize for that!!

 I miss-understood what you were doing with them and thought you were using
them as a backhaul solution - which they will do, but I didn't think a
person ought to complain for lousy throughput when he chose the solution.

Again - sorry!!

Mac 

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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

Yo, Mac.  Read first.

I use them as clients, and am sorely disappointed with the performance of
Mikrotik in B mode.

I don't see what changing to a different SBC would do.   For that matter, I
put Ikarus on a board half the price of  the RB112 and got double the
throughput in the exact same spot.You don't get what you pay for, you
simply have to find that which works best.

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- Original Message - 
From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik


 Mark Koskenmaki:

 Am I missing something?

 YES!! No doubt!

 Is this just a setting problem or ???


 Or is a big word and I really think it is an or problem. I think you
 need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference
 between a RB532  a RB112.
 Were these vital links?
 Were they mission critical links?
 Do you have residual money coming in off these links?

  If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a
residential
 RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit
 bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and
 get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for!

  Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer
loss
 as you can reuse the RB112's as a client - - - that's what they were
built
 for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world
to
 pass through them all at once.

 I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one
 complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs
and
 this complaint is along those lines.

 You get what you pay for!!

 Mac







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Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread Barry at Mutual Data
Hello Mark,

15 miles!!   HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we
get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz.

We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz.

IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those
settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may
address that.

Barry

Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote:

MK I use 11b mode for most of my clients.   I have 3 routerboard 112's in long
MK distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance.   Compared
MK to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house
MK apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences.
MK The RSSI is the same for both, btw.   One, with compression and other
MK atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around
MK 520-540KB of non-compressible data.   Right next door, the best I can
MK achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB.   I see this dramatic deficit in
MK ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come
MK anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client.  All are CM9
MK radios.

MK I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the compression box
MK in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the
MK same as my compex  boards's original firmware, which i judged to be
MK inadequate.

MK Am I missing something?   Is this just a setting problem or ???

MK Any help appreciated.


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Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread N White
2 Miles? That's all? The farthest we've gotten is 27 on some old Tranzeo 
2.4 gear. It's now been replaced with StarOS, but we're still getting 20 
miles, and probably more. What antennas are you using? I'm assuming 
you've got a really cluttered spectrum?


Nick


Barry at Mutual Data wrote:

Hello Mark,

15 miles!!   HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we
get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz.

We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz.

IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those
settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may
address that.

Barry

Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote:

MK I use 11b mode for most of my clients.   I have 3 routerboard 112's in long
MK distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance.   Compared
MK to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one house
MK apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance differences.
MK The RSSI is the same for both, btw.   One, with compression and other
MK atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around
MK 520-540KB of non-compressible data.   Right next door, the best I can
MK achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB.   I see this dramatic deficit in
MK ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will come
MK anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client.  All are CM9
MK radios.

MK I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the compression box
MK in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about the
MK same as my compex  boards's original firmware, which i judged to be
MK inadequate.

MK Am I missing something?   Is this just a setting problem or ???

MK Any help appreciated.


MK +++
MK neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington
MK email me at mark at neofast dot net
MK 541-969-8200
MK Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net




  



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Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
I have customers beyond 20 miles...   Last night I installed someone, and
couldn't get thier CPE to associate until I called someone and had the
distance limit upped to 28 miles on the AP.   Anyway, I plotted it in
RadioMobile and it's 22.7 miles according to RM.



The customer is here behind the trees.

http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/apviews/cafferkey.jpg

And ap is ... I THINK... in the mountains near where this is marked.  It's
kinda hard to tell from this view, and I couldn't find a better picture.
But, those sites are visible to each other.

http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/apviews/lewispeak.jpg

These pictures are taken from one of my AP's.

I have picked up a useable signal level at 29.5 miles from one of my AP's
while I was doing a site survey.

No, I have no amps, and all but one AP is a CM9, with the last holdout being
an old Sapphire card, which is going to changed out real soon.

All my CPE has 18 db grids.

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- Original Message - 
From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik


 Hello Mark,

 15 miles!!   HAHAHAHA I wish I was so lucky. We are ecstatic if we
 get 2 miles with 2.4Ghz.

 We can hardly do 3 miles at times with 900mhz.

 IIRC, 802.11 timed out at about 11 miles and StarOS had adjusted those
 settings. Not sure what Mikrotik has done, although nstreme may
 address that.

 Barry

 Wednesday, September 20, 2006, 2:22:32 PM, you wrote:

 MK I use 11b mode for most of my clients.   I have 3 routerboard 112's in
long
 MK distance shots, and I'm sorely disappointed at the performance.
Compared
 MK to Star-OS, the throughput is down about 40%.Two clients just one
house
 MK apart, and about 15 miles from the AP show dramatic performance
differences.
 MK The RSSI is the same for both, btw.   One, with compression and other
 MK atheros features enabled will pass 1200KB of compressible data, around
 MK 520-540KB of non-compressible data.   Right next door, the best I can
 MK achieve through the RB112 is around 350KB.   I see this dramatic
deficit in
 MK ALL my MT installs, in that none of them which are over 15 miles will
come
 MK anywhere near the throughput of the WRAP / Star-OS client.  All are
CM9
 MK radios.

 MK I've looked through everything I can find, and checked the
compression box
 MK in the appropriate place (using winbox) but the performance is about
the
 MK same as my compex  boards's original firmware, which i judged to be
 MK inadequate.

 MK Am I missing something?   Is this just a setting problem or ???

 MK Any help appreciated.


 MK +++
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Washington
 MK email me at mark at neofast dot net
 MK 541-969-8200
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RE: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread Mac Dearman
Mark Koskenmaki:

Am I missing something? 

YES!! No doubt!

Is this just a setting problem or ???


Or is a big word and I really think it is an or problem. I think you
need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference
between a RB532  a RB112. 
Were these vital links? 
Were they mission critical links?
Do you have residual money coming in off these links?

 If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential
RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit
bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and
get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for!

 Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss
as you can reuse the RB112's as a client - - - that's what they were built
for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to
pass through them all at once.

I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one
complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and
this complaint is along those lines. 

You get what you pay for!!

Mac







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Re: [WISPA] A little help with Mikrotik

2006-09-20 Thread John Scrivner
Mac! Let's turn the temperature of this debate down a few degrees. You 
guys are taking a quick trip to Flamesville here. You can drive your 
point home without driving it into someone's backside. Let's be civil here.

Thanks,
Scriv


Mac Dearman wrote:


Mark Koskenmaki:

 

Am I missing something? 
 



YES!! No doubt!

 


Is this just a setting problem or ???
 




Or is a big word and I really think it is an or problem. I think you
need your head examined first for saving the $60.00 on the difference
between a RB532  a RB112. 
Were these vital links? 
Were they mission critical links?

Do you have residual money coming in off these links?

If you answered yes to any of the above questions and you put a residential
RB112 (16 megs memory) in place - - you got what you paid for - - quit
bitching for your mistake and complaining about throughput, suck it up and
get a real SBC that will give you what you are looking for!

Don't cut corners again and you won't get burned. You will not suffer loss
as you can reuse the RB112's as a client - - - that's what they were built
for although you can use them as a backhaul - just don't expect the world to
pass through them all at once.

I apologize if this seemed rash, but it chaps me hind end to here some one
complain about their Chevy half ton pick up truck not hauling 80,000lbs and
this complaint is along those lines. 


You get what you pay for!!

Mac







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541-969-8200
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