RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios havearrived-regardinginterference-Part 1
Better you tell me Rich. You in particular, I long ago learned, are eons smarter than I. http://www.alvarion.com/knowledgecenter/datasheets/#BREEZEMAX Specifically select the BreezeMAX 2300/2500 pdf. If you are guys are asking about UL, the market will not support the costs of the richness of features available in a licensed WiMAX base station. As for the central problem in UL WiMAX, I mentioned it last post. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Comroe Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios havearrived-regardinginterference-Part 1 Thanks for the info, Patrick. I sure hope these systems have all the attributes that Tom & Brad were describing, and they're real and can be evaluated live now. I presume they have OFDM and TDD. Can anyone comment if they have "everything" in Brad's wish list? >What we really want is an efficient OFDM system, with a strong TDD w/ARQ > MAC, RFThreshold, Good Noise Filtering, Packet aggregating/compressing, > adeqaute CPU processing, Quality narrow beam diversity antennas, all > pre-packaged in a system/box under $300. But that product does not exist > today. > So why doesn't a manufacturer just make it, so we can stop debating what is > best, and just deploy radios! As Patrick says, they're available ... try'em out. Doubt they're $300, but I think Tom commented that such a radio would be worth more than $300 to him. If anyone has trialed them can they comment to the list? >But honestly that isn't that much to ask as many products are already so > close...Alvarion VL being one of the closest, but still no cigar. Don't know what this meant, as it's real Alvarion WiMAX product that Patrick is describing. I'm sure there's other brands also available now as well. Maybe it meant no product "like it" yet available in UL 900 / 2.4 / 5??? Dunno. A little help please? Rich - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios havearrived-regardinginterference- Part 1 Alvarion's got actual WiMAX gear Rich. Our WiMAX-certified BreezeMAX 3500 is being deployed in over 100 commercial networks along with about 120 trials. In the U.S. we are selling and deploying early BreezeMAX 2500 and BreezeMAX 2300 to a handful of operators. These are TDD 802.16e-ready solutions and they will be certified when the WiMAX Forum opens up .16e certification testing. Some call BreezeACCESS pre-WiMAX, but that is only true to the extent that it uses OFDM and has a host of other features that some might call "WiMAX-like." I am personally not fond of pre/like/kinda, etc. UNLESS the system is real WiMAX and just awaits the certification process, such as is the case with BreezeMAX 2300 and BreezeMAX 2500. BreezeMAX 3500 is already certified. Anything called "BreezeMAX" was designed from the ground up to support WiMAX profiles and will ultimately be WiMAX-certified. Anything in our line NOT called BreezeMAX will not ever be WiMAX-certified. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Comroe Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived-regardinginterference- Part 1 Again, I think they're already being made, aren't they? for 3.5GHz. Doesn't have to be final WiMAX ... I presume that all the pre-WiMAX products are OFDM and TDD. I've yet to hear of one at 900, 2.4, or 5. Anyone? Am I all wet on what the pre-WiMAX products are? I could very well be all wet, as I am only talking from what I've picked up from reading here ... and I've not had any first-hand experience with real available pre-WiMAX gear that's out there. Alvarion's got pre-WiMAX gear ... maybe Patrick can confirm, or alternatively slap me back to reality! :-) Rich - Original Message - From: Brad Belton To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived-regardinginterference - Part 1 lol...gotta love it! I'd argue it doesn't have to be only $300 to sell. I'd pay two or three times that for such a product. But honestly that isn't that much to ask as many products are already so close...Alvarion VL being one of the closest, but
Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios havearrived-regardinginterference- Part 1
Thanks for the info, Patrick. I sure hope these systems have all the attributes that Tom & Brad were describing, and they're real and can be evaluated live now. I presume they have OFDM and TDD. Can anyone comment if they have "everything" in Brad's wish list? >What we really want is an efficient OFDM system, with a strong TDD w/ARQ > MAC, RFThreshold, Good Noise Filtering, Packet aggregating/compressing, > adeqaute CPU processing, Quality narrow beam diversity antennas, all > pre-packaged in a system/box under $300. But that product does not exist > today. > So why doesn't a manufacturer just make it, so we can stop debating what is > best, and just deploy radios! As Patrick says, they're available ... try'em out. Doubt they're $300, but I think Tom commented that such a radio would be worth more than $300 to him. If anyone has trialed them can they comment to the list? >But honestly that isn't that much to ask as many products are already so > close...Alvarion VL being one of the closest, but still no cigar. Don't know what this meant, as it's real Alvarion WiMAX product that Patrick is describing. I'm sure there's other brands also available now as well. Maybe it meant no product "like it" yet available in UL 900 / 2.4 / 5??? Dunno. A little help please? Rich - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios havearrived-regardinginterference- Part 1 Alvarion's got actual WiMAX gear Rich. Our WiMAX-certified BreezeMAX 3500 is being deployed in over 100 commercial networks along with about 120 trials. In the U.S. we are selling and deploying early BreezeMAX 2500 and BreezeMAX 2300 to a handful of operators. These are TDD 802.16e-ready solutions and they will be certified when the WiMAX Forum opens up .16e certification testing. Some call BreezeACCESS pre-WiMAX, but that is only true to the extent that it uses OFDM and has a host of other features that some might call "WiMAX-like." I am personally not fond of pre/like/kinda, etc. UNLESS the system is real WiMAX and just awaits the certification process, such as is the case with BreezeMAX 2300 and BreezeMAX 2500. BreezeMAX 3500 is already certified. Anything called "BreezeMAX" was designed from the ground up to support WiMAX profiles and will ultimately be WiMAX-certified. Anything in our line NOT called BreezeMAX will not ever be WiMAX-certified. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Comroe Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived-regardinginterference- Part 1 Again, I think they're already being made, aren't they? for 3.5GHz. Doesn't have to be final WiMAX ... I presume that all the pre-WiMAX products are OFDM and TDD. I've yet to hear of one at 900, 2.4, or 5. Anyone? Am I all wet on what the pre-WiMAX products are? I could very well be all wet, as I am only talking from what I've picked up from reading here ... and I've not had any first-hand experience with real available pre-WiMAX gear that's out there. Alvarion's got pre-WiMAX gear ... maybe Patrick can confirm, or alternatively slap me back to reality! :-) Rich - Original Message - From: Brad Belton To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived-regardinginterference - Part 1 lol...gotta love it! I'd argue it doesn't have to be only $300 to sell. I'd pay two or three times that for such a product. But honestly that isn't that much to ask as many products are already so close...Alvarion VL being one of the closest, but still no cigar. I like what you said about developing Trango products and agree they are way past due to "leapfrog" back to the front of the pack. Oh those were the days when Sunstream/Trango was the undisputed leader with the début of the M5800 and then the M5830.Maybe they can do it again! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived -regardinginterference - Part 1 Charles, WOW! Great Post! That covers about everything. It increases the understanding of the complexity, but it doesn't answer the u
