RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-25 Thread Brad Larson
, September 22, 2006 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Hey Brad, VOIP may be the only thing canopy is lagging in. I'm curious if they'll improve that in the version 8 software release or at least when they move toward WIMAX compatibility

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
, September 22, 2006 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Tom, You won't customize a Fox unit because it's not FCC compliant, yet you are running StarOS on WAR boards which is also not FCC compliant. ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: The answer

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Tom, I hate to say this, but I think you missed the boat on your three $500/mo subs. Trango still offers a 5830-EXT unit for $729 (retail) that would have allowed you the external antenna that was so critical for these links

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Tom, so what you are changing the Trangos to ? Also, you can hack yourself a EXT Fox ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Travis Johnson
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Because, over the years I lost 100% of my high ARPU subs that used 5830-ext in these areas. Yes that REALLY hurt

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links snip What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Would GPS'd Canopy help? If not, why? Do others in the area use Canopy? Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Because, over the years I lost 100

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Patrick Leary
My goal is to gain the High Arpu business. Tom, that is exactly where Alvarion excels and why it is my opinion that the more premium an operator becomes in the total quality of their service, the more likely an operator is to choose Alvarion. And these customers have different service level

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Matt Liotta
' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links snip What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to effectively battle

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Jon Langeler
Charles Wu wrote: snip What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I move away from the channel, eventually others take

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Jon Langeler
- Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Would GPS'd Canopy help? If not, why? Do others in the area use Canopy

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Brad Belton
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Since canopy is the most robust(3db C/I, ARQ, etc.) PTMP product in it's class(and happens to be #1 deployed in US), anyone

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Brad Larson
traffic or support more than 25 voip calls per sector. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Since canopy is the most robust

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Matt Liotta
. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Since canopy is the most robust(3db C/I, ARQ, etc.) PTMP product in it's class

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Patrick Leary
] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links I believe we have one of the highest APRUs in the business and we use Canopy (including Orthogon). We do like the Trango Atlas, but only

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Matt Liotta
Patrick Leary wrote: You pay more per customer than an Alvarion user Matt since all your customers are on dedicated PtP shots though, right? Last time I looked at Alvarion's pricing that wasn't the case. We do use a lot PtP shots, but all of our customers aren't on dedicated PtP shots. We

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Patrick Leary
. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Patrick

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links My goal is to gain the High Arpu business. Tom, that is exactly where Alvarion excels and why

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Jon Langeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Since canopy is the most robust(3db C/I, ARQ, etc.) PTMP product in it's class

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Patrick Leary
, 2006 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Patrick, I think I know what you mean, but can you elaborate: do you mean [4-1Mbps customers] on [1Mbps of radio capacity]? Thanks. Mario Patrick Leary wrote: We advise of a residential

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links I am not suggesting that Canopy shouldn't be better, but it is certainly better than good enough. Again, not only are we leading the industry in ARPU, we also

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Jon Langeler
Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not only extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started using canopy since it began shipping and at least 100 trango SU between 3 different towers since beta. I just hate to see fellow wisp protest that there isn't

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Jon Langeler
data traffic or support more than 25 voip calls per sector. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Since canopy

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-22 Thread Gino A. Villarini
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links As much as I've protested Canopy, (in my mind poor design), the smaller the gaps are getting. The problem is that Trango kept degrading their gear more and more like Canopy. And Canopy kept improving their gear

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Mario Pommier
John, Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of the manufacturer/vendor you used. Regarding the radios you're using now. Some of us, like our company, started with Alvarion and never switched out. It's hard to try other technologies that appear less expensive, when the one

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links John, Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of the manufacturer/vendor you used. Regarding the radios you're using now. Some of us, like our company, started with Alvarion and never switched out. It's hard to try other

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Travis Johnson
: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links John, Good to hear you got issues fixed, independent of the manufacturer/vendor you used. Regarding the radios you're using now. Some of us, like our company, started

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Brad Belton
what a Trango M5830AP can do in a noisy environment. As with most things YMMV. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Travis Johnson
I think in all fairness, we need to put a major factor to radio selection out on the table too... price. Trango retail pricing: Trango Link10-EXT's are $1,500 for a complete link. Trango 5830AP-EXTs are $1,095 Trango 5830SU-EXT's are $729 Trango FOX are $149 Alvarion pricing (not sure if this

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Patrick Leary
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links I think in all fairness, we need to put a major factor

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Brad Belton
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links That's retail Travis. Actual pricing WISPs pay is far less. By the way, that VL AU also delivers over 32Mbps net

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread David E. Smith
Patrick Leary wrote: Here are the net rates per mod for VL: Avg Avg FTPLayer 2 Modulation 1 4.96 5.56 Modulation 2 7.28 8.16 Modulation 3 9.911.10 Modulation 4 14.35 16.09 Modulation 5 19.38 21.73 Modulation 6 26.77 30.01

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Patrick Leary
: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Patrick Leary wrote: Here

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Brad Belton
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links That's retail Travis. Actual pricing WISPs pay is far less. By the way, that VL AU also delivers over 32Mbps net

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Patrick Leary
-Original Message- From: Ed Wyatt Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:29 PM To: Patrick Leary; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links This was done in the lab with Rev C hardware running FTP traffic. And then the Layer 2 traffic was done

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Tom, I hate to say this, but I

Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Agreed that Trango has clearly

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Gino A. Villarini
DeReggi Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Because, over the years I lost 100% of my high ARPU subs that used 5830-ext in these areas. Yes that REALLY hurt the financials of my business. The reason

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Brad Belton
, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Brad, I got an idea! How about Trango Fix ARQ

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Patrick Leary
, September 21, 2006 6:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Hello Tom, Brag about networks? Still do! lol Believe me when I say you're preaching to the choir when it comes to Trango. It has been a wild ride UP with the 5800/5830

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Brad Belton
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links Cat doesn't have my tongue Brad. I'm just doing my best not to take the bait. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Charles Wu
snip What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I move away from the channel, eventually others take those channels.,

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Brad Belton
' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links snip What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to effectively battle it out. The reason is that if every time I hiot noise, I move

RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links

2006-09-21 Thread Gino A. Villarini
, 2006 11:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Fixes Problems with Backhaul Links snip What I'm learning is that as my business grows, the abilty to change and move (channel options) is becoming less important that the abilty to effectively battle it out. The reason