Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-31 Thread Blair Davis




No 900MHz comes close.

Our 2.4GHz installs are $199 + special mounting, if needed. 0 month
ROI. In fact, I often make a profit on an install, something that was
very rare prior to the NS2 and NS2L.

But, I currently do 900MHz installs for $299 + special mounting, if
needed. RB411, XR9, 13DB yagi. The ROI is about 1 month.

We used to only be able to offer those users towers starting at $1500.
900MHz can be useful in these locations.

RickG wrote:

  What 900MHz is cost effective? Depending on distance, you can use a
Ubiquiti Loco for $50. Is there anything even close to that in 900?

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net wrote:
  
  
I think most of us rural guys are on 2.4GHz for last mile and 5.8GHz for
backhaul.

Until recently, 900MHz was not cost effective.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word. Terrain.

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

Wow that's a lot of extra work per install!  How high/far are your APs
and what band are you using that needs this extra effort?

On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:


If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my
installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak
with guy wires.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
when
it's the only option.

We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
had a
leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
time.

As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
would
normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
drill
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
drill.
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with

high end brick or concrete.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:


I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money


once,


not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us


for


not
installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there


and


are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I


hate
is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some


reason


those are always the people who have their computers on an inside


wall,


are
tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
install.

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through


experience


of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,


ambition


inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


On


Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no


matter


if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.


Too


many
people out to "gotcha".  And the ones who ask to see our liability
insurance
before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be


nightmares,


we
get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


On


Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:


I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the


tripods


and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:


4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

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 / \
   / \
 /\




Mike wrote:



'splain please!  How is that configured? 

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I do the same. Install above the overhang and at the highest part of
the roof. Remember, the highest part of the roof has the least amount
of water running over it. So, less water, and even if it did leak it
would drip into the overhang, not living area.

Brian

RickG wrote:

  The facia is even better but since the discusion was roof mounting as
a last resort I meant that if you must drill into the shingles, do it
directly above the soffit.
-RickG

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Josh
Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  
  
Rick - you mean install on the fascia, not the roof. Correct?

On 8/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:


  I mean dont drill holes anywhere else on top of the roof - just the
area above the soffit. That way if it happens to leak it will drip
straight down through the soffit to the ground.

The suggestion was correct and is what I do - place coax seal on the
screw and between the mount  roof. Never had one leak yet and I've
been doing installs since '97. Some of my installers a lot longer.

-RickG

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Josh
Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
  
  
What do you mean stay above the soffit? Sounds kind of impossible to
mount
below it when you're mounting on the roof.

The suggestion I had from the past is to use my favorite material (coax
seal) on the tip of the screw before you start drilling. This puts the
sealer in the threads (name?) and a bit below the head, preventing
anything
from going through the hole. I do not do this, though I have not needed
to
and the person that did this is not installing for me anymore (he moved on
to what he really wanted, knew this from years back).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:



  Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
always get the home owners permission.

On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
-RickG

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com
wrote:
  
  
We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times

  
  when
  
  
it's the only option.

We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never
had

  
  a
  
  
leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long

  
  time.
  
  
As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they

  
  would
  
  
normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I
drill
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer

  
  drill.
  
  
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing
with
high end brick or concrete.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:


  I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money
  

  
  once,
  
  

  not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us
for
not
installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there
  

  
  and
  
  

  are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I
hate
is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some
reason
those are always the people who have their computers on an inside
wall,
are
tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
install.

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through
experience
of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
  

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I sure do love my Milwaukee Li Ion set. It's nice!

Brian

RickG wrote:

  I've had about the same experience with my Dewalt and cant complain
too much. The chuck binds once in a while and the clutch seems to be
going out so...I'll be in the market soon and wondering if there is
anything better.
Thanks! -RickG

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
  
  
We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
always get the home owners permission.

On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
-RickG

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote:


  We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when
it's the only option.

We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a
leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time.

As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would
normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill.
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
high end brick or concrete.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
  
  
I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once,
not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
not
installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and
are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I
hate
is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
are
tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
install.

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too
many
people out to "gotcha". And the ones who ask to see our liability
insurance
before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares,
we
get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:


  I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:
  
  
4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

/\
   /-\
  /   \
 / \
/\




Mike wrote:



  'splain please! How is that configu

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread RickG
Yes, thats another popular line. Then you'll hear from the Mikita
crowd too! -RickG

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Brian
Rohrbacherbr...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I sure do love my Milwaukee Li Ion set.  It's nice!

 Brian

 RickG wrote:

 I've had about the same experience with my Dewalt and cant complain
 too much. The chuck binds once in a while and the clutch seems to be
 going out so...I'll be in the market soon and wondering if there is
 anything better.
 Thanks! -RickG

 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote:


 We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick,
 Mortar, Foundation, etc.  Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only
 had to get new batteries every 1-2 years.  (funny part is one of them is a
 refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when
 you find one that works you stick with it.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:


 We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never had a
 leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would
 normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:


 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money once,
 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too
 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:


 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:


 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Mark McElvy
If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my
installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak
with guy wires.

Mark 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
when 
it's the only option.

We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
had a 
leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
time.

As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
would 
normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
drill 
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
drill. 
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with

high end brick or concrete.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money
once,
 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us
for 
 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I

 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some
reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside
wall, 
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through
experience 
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.
Too 
 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability 
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be
nightmares, 
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the
tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

 /\
/-\
  / \
/ \
  /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.








 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Josh Luthman
Wow that's a lot of extra work per install!  How high/far are your APs
and what band are you using that needs this extra effort?

On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:
 If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my
 installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak
 with guy wires.

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
 when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
 had a
 leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
 normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
 drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with

 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money
 once,
 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us
 for
 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
 and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I

 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some
 reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside
 wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through
 experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
 matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.
 Too
 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be
 nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the
 tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

 /\
/-\
  / \
/ \
  /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.






 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word.
Terrain.

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

  Wow that's a lot of extra work per install!  How high/far are your APs
and what band are you using that needs this extra effort?

On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:
  
  
If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my
installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak
with guy wires.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
when
it's the only option.

We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
had a
leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
time.

As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
would
normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
drill
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
drill.
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with

high end brick or concrete.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:


  I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money
  

once,


  not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us
  

for


  not
installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
  

and


  are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
  


  hate
is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some
  

reason


  those are always the people who have their computers on an inside
  

wall,


  are
tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
install.

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through
  

experience


  of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
  

ambition


  inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On


  Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
  

matter


  if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.
  

Too


  many
people out to "gotcha".  And the ones who ask to see our liability
insurance
before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be
  

nightmares,


  we
get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On


  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
  
  
I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the

  

tripods


  
and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:


  4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

/\
   /-\
 / \
   / \
 /\




Mike wrote:

  
  
'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:




  ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8"
Un

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Blair Davis




I think most of us rural guys are on 2.4GHz for last mile and 5.8GHz
for backhaul.

Until recently, 900MHz was not cost effective.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  
That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word.
Terrain.
  
Brian
  
Josh Luthman wrote:
  
Wow that's a lot of extra work per install!  How high/far are your APs
and what band are you using that needs this extra effort?

On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:
  

  If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my
installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak
with guy wires.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
when
it's the only option.

We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
had a
leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
time.

As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
would
normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
drill
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
drill.
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with

high end brick or concrete.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:

  
I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money
  
  
  once,

  
not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us
  
  
  for

  
not
installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
  
  
  and

  
are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
  
  
  
hate
is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some
  
  
  reason

  
those are always the people who have their computers on an inside
  
  
  wall,

  
are
tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
install.

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through
  
  
  experience

  
of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
  
  
  ambition

  
inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  
  
  On

  
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
  
  
  matter

  
if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.
  
  
  Too

  
many
people out to "gotcha".  And the ones who ask to see our liability
insurance
before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be
  
  
  nightmares,

  
we
get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  
  
  On

  
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
  

  I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the


  
  tripods

  

  and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:

  
4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

/\
   /-\
 / \
   / \
 /\




Mike wrote:

  

  'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread RickG
Trees and terrain :)

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Brian
Rohrbacherbr...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word.  Terrain.

 Brian

 Josh Luthman wrote:

 Wow that's a lot of extra work per install!  How high/far are your APs
 and what band are you using that needs this extra effort?

 On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:


 If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my
 installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak
 with guy wires.

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
 when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
 had a
 leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
 normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
 drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with

 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:


 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money


 once,


 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us


 for


 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there


 and


 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I


 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some


 reason


 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside


 wall,


 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through


 experience


 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,


 ambition


 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


 On


 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no


 matter


 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.


 Too


 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be


 nightmares,


 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


 On


 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:


 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the


 tripods


 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:


 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

 /\
/-\
  / \
/ \
  /\




 Mike wrote:



 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:




 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.






 
 


 


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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread Mark McElvy
Trees an terrain. We have 50-60 ft Oak trees very dense. Terrain varies
from 1200 ft in town to 1100-1400 all around. Tried some 900 but had
trouble getting it to work well.

 

Mark

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 6:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 

That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word.
Terrain.

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote: 

Wow that's a lot of extra work per install!  How high/far are your APs
and what band are you using that needs this extra effort?
 
On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
mailto:mmce...@accubak.com  wrote:
  

If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most
of my
installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on
roof peak
with guy wires.
 
Mark
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are
times
when
it's the only option.
 
We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.
Never
had a
leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very
long
time.
 
As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than
they
would
normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the
cable I
drill
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.
 
I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch
hammer
drill.
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of
dealing with
 
high end brick or concrete.
 
laters,
marlon
 
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
 
What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made
for it
(not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.
 
On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
mailto:st...@pcswin.com  wrote:


I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That
cost me money
  

once,


not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have
thanked us
  

for


not
installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish
being up there
  

and


are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the
roof.  What I
  

hate
is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and
for some
  

reason


those are always the people who have their computers on
an inside
  

wall,


are
tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything
but the standard
install.
 
Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only
through
  

experience


of
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision
cleared,
  

ambition


inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  

On


Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just
don't!
 
Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet
guys fault no
  

matter


if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the
shingles already.
  

Too

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread RickG
What 900MHz is cost effective? Depending on distance, you can use a
Ubiquiti Loco for $50. Is there anything even close to that in 900?

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Blair Davisthe...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 I think most of us rural guys are on 2.4GHz for last mile and 5.8GHz for
 backhaul.

 Until recently, 900MHz was not cost effective.

 Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

 That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word.  Terrain.

 Brian

 Josh Luthman wrote:

 Wow that's a lot of extra work per install!  How high/far are your APs
 and what band are you using that needs this extra effort?

 On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote:


 If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my
 installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak
 with guy wires.

 Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
 when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
 had a
 leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
 normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
 drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with

 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:


 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money


 once,


 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us


 for


 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there


 and


 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I


 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some


 reason


 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside


 wall,


 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through


 experience


 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,


 ambition


 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


 On


 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no


 matter


 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.


 Too


 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be


 nightmares,


 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


 On


 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:


 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the


 tripods


 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:


 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

 /\
/-\
  / \
/ \
  /\




 Mike wrote:



 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:




 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.






 
 


 


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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-30 Thread RickG
I've got the same issues here. I used 900MHz on one tower in the hills
 forest. Used Mirotik but the cost is way too high for most.
-RickG

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Mark McElvymmce...@accubak.com wrote:
 Trees an terrain. We have 50-60 ft Oak trees very dense. Terrain varies
 from 1200 ft in town to 1100-1400 all around. Tried some 900 but had
 trouble getting it to work well.



 Mark



 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
 Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 6:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions



 That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word.
 Terrain.

 Brian

 Josh Luthman wrote:

 Wow that's a lot of extra work per install!  How high/far are your APs
 and what band are you using that needs this extra effort?

 On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com
 mailto:mmce...@accubak.com  wrote:


        If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most
 of my
        installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on
 roof peak
        with guy wires.

        Mark

        -Original Message-
        From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
        Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
        Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM
        To: WISPA General List
        Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

        We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are
 times
        when
        it's the only option.

        We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.
 Never
        had a
        leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very
 long
        time.

        As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than
 they
        would
        normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the
 cable I
        drill
        the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

        I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch
 hammer
        drill.
        The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of
 dealing with

        high end brick or concrete.

        laters,
        marlon

        - Original Message -
        From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
        To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
        Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
        Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


        What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made
 for it
        (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
        tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

        On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
 mailto:st...@pcswin.com  wrote:


                I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That
 cost me money


        once,


                not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have
 thanked us


        for


                not
                installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish
 being up there


        and


                are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the
 roof.  What I


                hate
                is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and
 for some


        reason


                those are always the people who have their computers on
 an inside


        wall,


                are
                tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything
 but the standard
                install.

                Steve Barnes
                Manager
                PCS-WIN
                RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

                Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only
 through


        experience


                of
                trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision
 cleared,


        ambition


                inspired, and success achieved.
                - Helen Keller


                -Original Message-
                From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]


        On


                Behalf Of Robert West
                Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
                To: 'WISPA General List'
                Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

                I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just
 don't!

                Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet
 guys fault no


        matter


                if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the
 shingles already.


        Too


                many
                people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our
 liability
                insurance
                before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out
 to be


        nightmares,


                we
                get permission in writing from those folks for every
 hole drilled

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Rick - you mean install on the fascia, not the roof.  Correct?

On 8/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 I mean dont drill holes anywhere else on top of the roof - just the
 area above the soffit. That way if it happens to leak it will drip
 straight down through the soffit to the ground.

 The suggestion was correct and is what I do - place coax seal on the
 screw and between the mount  roof. Never had one leak yet and I've
 been doing installs since '97. Some of my installers a lot longer.

 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Josh
 Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 What do you mean stay above the soffit?  Sounds kind of impossible to
 mount
 below it when you're mounting on the roof.

 The suggestion I had from the past is to use my favorite material (coax
 seal) on the tip of the screw before you start drilling.  This puts the
 sealer in the threads (name?) and a bit below the head, preventing
 anything
 from going through the hole.  I do not do this, though I have not needed
 to
 and the person that did this is not installing for me anymore (he moved on
 to what he really wanted, knew this from years back).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
  We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
 when
  it's the only option.
 
  We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
  had
 a
  leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.
 
  As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
  normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
  drill
  the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.
 
  I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
  The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing
  with
  high end brick or concrete.
 
  laters,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
 
  What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
  (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
  tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.
 
  On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
  I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money
 once,
  not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us
  for
  not
  installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
 and
  are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
  hate
  is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some
  reason
  those are always the people who have their computers on an inside
  wall,
  are
  tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
  install.
 
  Steve Barnes
  Manager
  PCS-WIN
  RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
  Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through
  experience
  of
  trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition
  inspired, and success achieved.
  - Helen Keller
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Robert West
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!
 
  Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
 matter
  if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.
   Too
  many
  people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
  insurance
  before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be
 nightmares,
  we
  get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  Tripods like roof hole making tripods?
 
  On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
  I guess I'm just old

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-29 Thread Chuck Hogg
We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, 
Mortar, Foundation, etc.  Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only 
had to get new batteries every 1-2 years.  (funny part is one of them is a 
refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you 
find one that works you stick with it.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
always get the home owners permission.

On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
-RickG

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com 
wrote:
 We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never had a
 leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would
 normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money once,
 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too
 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

                 /\
                /-\
              /     \
            /         \
          /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Does it really matter about performance?  I have always been told from
construction workers and electricians that they prefer Dewalt due to
it being much lighter.

On 8/29/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick,
 Mortar, Foundation, etc.  Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only
 had to get new batteries every 1-2 years.  (funny part is one of them is a
 refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when
 you find one that works you stick with it.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
 We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
 when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never had
 a
 leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
 normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money once,
 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
 and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
 matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too
 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

                 /\
                /-\
              /     \
            /         \
          /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-29 Thread Mike Hammett
A Bosch plug in hammerdrill beats a DeWalt cordless hammerdrill any day.  I 
had to put about 100 or so (maybe more) holes in my basement to mount things 
on.  I took about about 14 hours to put in about 50.  The DeWalt broke.  I 
then found the Bosch and it did the other 50+ in about an hour.

That said, the DeWalt cordless hammerdrill is damn handy.  Not everywhere 
has power convenient nor needs 100+ holes.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:35 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru 
 Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc.  Have had the same ones in service for 2+ 
 yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years.  (funny part is one of 
 them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I 
 guess when you find one that works you stick with it.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com 
 wrote:
 We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times 
 when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had 
 a
 leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long 
 time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they 
 would
 normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer 
 drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once,
 not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
 not
 installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there 
 and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, 
 ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no 
 matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too
 many
 people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the 
 tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-29 Thread Josh Luthman
Let's not compare 110v with 18v :P

On 8/29/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 A Bosch plug in hammerdrill beats a DeWalt cordless hammerdrill any day.  I
 had to put about 100 or so (maybe more) holes in my basement to mount things
 on.  I took about about 14 hours to put in about 50.  The DeWalt broke.  I
 then found the Bosch and it did the other 50+ in about an hour.

 That said, the DeWalt cordless hammerdrill is damn handy.  Not everywhere
 has power convenient nor needs 100+ holes.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:35 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru
 Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc.  Have had the same ones in service for 2+
 yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years.  (funny part is one of

 them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I
 guess when you find one that works you stick with it.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
 We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times
 when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had
 a
 leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
 normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once,
 not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
 not
 installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there
 and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
 matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too
 many
 people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-29 Thread RickG
The facia is even better but since the discusion was roof mounting as
a last resort I meant that if you must drill into the shingles, do it
directly above the soffit.
-RickG

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Josh
Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Rick - you mean install on the fascia, not the roof.  Correct?

 On 8/29/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 I mean dont drill holes anywhere else on top of the roof - just the
 area above the soffit. That way if it happens to leak it will drip
 straight down through the soffit to the ground.

 The suggestion was correct and is what I do - place coax seal on the
 screw and between the mount  roof. Never had one leak yet and I've
 been doing installs since '97. Some of my installers a lot longer.

 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Josh
 Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 What do you mean stay above the soffit?  Sounds kind of impossible to
 mount
 below it when you're mounting on the roof.

 The suggestion I had from the past is to use my favorite material (coax
 seal) on the tip of the screw before you start drilling.  This puts the
 sealer in the threads (name?) and a bit below the head, preventing
 anything
 from going through the hole.  I do not do this, though I have not needed
 to
 and the person that did this is not installing for me anymore (he moved on
 to what he really wanted, knew this from years back).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
  We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
 when
  it's the only option.
 
  We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never
  had
 a
  leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.
 
  As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
  normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I
  drill
  the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.
 
  I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
  The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing
  with
  high end brick or concrete.
 
  laters,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
 
  What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
  (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
  tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.
 
  On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
  I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money
 once,
  not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us
  for
  not
  installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
 and
  are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
  hate
  is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some
  reason
  those are always the people who have their computers on an inside
  wall,
  are
  tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
  install.
 
  Steve Barnes
  Manager
  PCS-WIN
  RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
  Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through
  experience
  of
  trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition
  inspired, and success achieved.
  - Helen Keller
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Robert West
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!
 
  Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
 matter
  if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.
   Too
  many
  people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
  insurance
  before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be
 nightmares,
  we
  get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On
  Behalf Of Josh

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-29 Thread RickG
I've had about the same experience with my Dewalt and cant complain
too much. The chuck binds once in a while and the clutch seems to be
going out so...I'll be in the market soon and wondering if there is
anything better.
Thanks! -RickG

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, 
 Mortar, Foundation, etc.  Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only 
 had to get new batteries every 1-2 years.  (funny part is one of them is a 
 refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you 
 find one that works you stick with it.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com 
 wrote:
 We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never had a
 leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would
 normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money once,
 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too
 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

                 /\
                /-\
              /     \
            /         \
          /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-29 Thread RickG
POWER always wins! At home I use a corded drill and even have one for
backup in the field. But out in the field, you cant beat the
convenience of a cordless.
-RickG

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 A Bosch plug in hammerdrill beats a DeWalt cordless hammerdrill any day.  I
 had to put about 100 or so (maybe more) holes in my basement to mount things
 on.  I took about about 14 hours to put in about 50.  The DeWalt broke.  I
 then found the Bosch and it did the other 50+ in about an hour.

 That said, the DeWalt cordless hammerdrill is damn handy.  Not everywhere
 has power convenient nor needs 100+ holes.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:35 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru
 Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc.  Have had the same ones in service for 2+
 yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years.  (funny part is one of
 them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I
 guess when you find one that works you stick with it.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
 We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times
 when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had
 a
 leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
 normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once,
 not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
 not
 installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there
 and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
 matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too
 many
 people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-29 Thread Chuck Hogg
I think if you are doing that many holes in one shot, any corded will
beat a cordless.  I know our cordless Dewalt drills have done hundreds
of holes.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 5:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

A Bosch plug in hammerdrill beats a DeWalt cordless hammerdrill any day.
I 
had to put about 100 or so (maybe more) holes in my basement to mount
things 
on.  I took about about 14 hours to put in about 50.  The DeWalt broke.
I 
then found the Bosch and it did the other 50+ in about an hour.

That said, the DeWalt cordless hammerdrill is damn handy.  Not
everywhere 
has power convenient nor needs 100+ holes.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 8:35 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru 
 Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc.  Have had the same ones in service for
2+ 
 yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years.  (funny part is
one of 
 them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch,
I 
 guess when you find one that works you stick with it.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On 
 Behalf Of RickG
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K.
Schafero...@odessaoffice.com 
 wrote:
 We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times

 when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never
had 
 a
 leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long 
 time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they

 would
 normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I
drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer

 drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing
with
 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money
once,
 not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us
for
 not
 installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up
there 
 and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What
I
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some
reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside
wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the
standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through
experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, 
 ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no 
 matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.
Too
 many
 people out to gotcha. And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be
nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-28 Thread Robert West
I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don’t!

Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too many
people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance
before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be nightmares, we
get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.

 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts.  Channel
 master.  Tripods are $18 and masts are $11.  We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

 /\
/-\
  / \
/ \
  /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.







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Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-28 Thread Robert West
When the house finally falls down, the chimney and mount will still be
standing!



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Looks like a mount designed by an under-confident Civil Engineer.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:25:55 -0400

This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

Probably overkill.

Ronard makes really good stuff.


Robert West wrote:
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
back
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
in
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
the
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a
90
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
and
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
   
 a
   
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave
as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
   
 size
 
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
   
 EMT
   
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
 Michael Baird

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-28 Thread Steve Barnes
I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money once, not 
again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not 
installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there and are 
willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I hate is 
brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are 
always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than 
ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install.

Steve Barnes
Manager
PCS-WIN
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of 
trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition 
inspired, and success achieved.
- Helen Keller


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too many
people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance
before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be nightmares, we
get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.

 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts.  Channel
 master.  Tripods are $18 and masts are $11.  We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

 /\
/-\
  / \
/ \
  /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.







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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-28 Thread Josh Luthman
What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money once,
 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be nightmares, we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts.  Channel
 master.  Tripods are $18 and masts are $11.  We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

 /\
/-\
  / \
/ \
  /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.





 
 
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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times when 
it's the only option.

We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never had a 
leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time.

As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would 
normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I drill 
the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. 
The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with 
high end brick or concrete.

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
(not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money once,
 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for 
 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I 
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, 
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience 
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too 
 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability 
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be nightmares, 
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

 /\
/-\
  / \
/ \
  /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.





 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-28 Thread RickG
Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
always get the home owners permission.

On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
-RickG

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com 
wrote:
 We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times when
 it's the only option.

 We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never had a
 leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time.

 As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would
 normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I drill
 the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.

 I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill.
 The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
 high end brick or concrete.

 laters,
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
 (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
 tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.

 On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money once,
 not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
 not
 installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there and
 are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
 hate
 is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
 those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
 are
 tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
 install.

 Steve Barnes
 Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service

 Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
 of
 trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition
 inspired, and success achieved.
 - Helen Keller


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!

 Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter
 if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too
 many
 people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
 insurance
 before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be nightmares,
 we
 get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

 On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
 master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

                 /\
                /-\
              /     \
            /         \
          /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.





 
 
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 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-28 Thread Josh Luthman
What do you mean stay above the soffit?  Sounds kind of impossible to mount
below it when you're mounting on the roof.

The suggestion I had from the past is to use my favorite material (coax
seal) on the tip of the screw before you start drilling.  This puts the
sealer in the threads (name?) and a bit below the head, preventing anything
from going through the hole.  I do not do this, though I have not needed to
and the person that did this is not installing for me anymore (he moved on
to what he really wanted, knew this from years back).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
  We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
 when
  it's the only option.
 
  We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never had
 a
  leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.
 
  As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
  normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I drill
  the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.
 
  I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
  The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
  high end brick or concrete.
 
  laters,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
 
  What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
  (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
  tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.
 
  On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
  I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money
 once,
  not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
  not
  installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
 and
  are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
  hate
  is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
  those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
  are
  tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
  install.
 
  Steve Barnes
  Manager
  PCS-WIN
  RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
  Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
  of
  trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition
  inspired, and success achieved.
  - Helen Keller
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Robert West
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!
 
  Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
 matter
  if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too
  many
  people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
  insurance
  before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be
 nightmares,
  we
  get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  Tripods like roof hole making tripods?
 
  On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
  I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
  master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the
 tripods
  and $15 for 10ft mast including install.
 
  Brian
 
  Scott Reed wrote:
 
  4 length of strut at the peak.
  5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
  Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.
 
  /\
 /-\
   / \
 / \
   /\
 
 
 
 
  Mike wrote:
 
 
  'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.
 
  At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
 
 
 
  ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
  Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-28 Thread RickG
I mean dont drill holes anywhere else on top of the roof - just the
area above the soffit. That way if it happens to leak it will drip
straight down through the soffit to the ground.

The suggestion was correct and is what I do - place coax seal on the
screw and between the mount  roof. Never had one leak yet and I've
been doing installs since '97. Some of my installers a lot longer.

-RickG

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Josh
Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 What do you mean stay above the soffit?  Sounds kind of impossible to mount
 below it when you're mounting on the roof.

 The suggestion I had from the past is to use my favorite material (coax
 seal) on the tip of the screw before you start drilling.  This puts the
 sealer in the threads (name?) and a bit below the head, preventing anything
 from going through the hole.  I do not do this, though I have not needed to
 and the person that did this is not installing for me anymore (he moved on
 to what he really wanted, knew this from years back).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I
 was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal
 down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I
 always get the home owners permission.

 On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great.

 So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt?
 -RickG

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com
 wrote:
  We mount to the roof when we have to.  Last resort but there are times
 when
  it's the only option.
 
  We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that.  Never had
 a
  leak.  People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long
 time.
 
  As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they
 would
  normally have.  None have fallen off yet.  When running the cable I drill
  the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick.
 
  I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer
 drill.
  The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with
  high end brick or concrete.
 
  laters,
  marlon
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
 
  What's so bad about brick?  I would imagine there is lags made for it
  (not the mortor).  've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to
  tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage.
 
  On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
  I agree,  I will never again install on a roof.  That cost me money
 once,
  not again.  Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for
  not
  installing on the roof.  They hate their satellite dish being up there
 and
  are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof.  What I
  hate
  is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason
  those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall,
  are
  tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard
  install.
 
  Steve Barnes
  Manager
  PCS-WIN
  RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
 
  Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience
  of
  trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared,
 ambition
  inspired, and success achieved.
  - Helen Keller
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Robert West
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't!
 
  Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no
 matter
  if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already.  Too
  many
  people out to gotcha.  And the ones who ask to see our liability
  insurance
  before we do anything...  Red flags!  They turn out to be
 nightmares,
  we
  get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  Tripods like roof hole making tripods?
 
  On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
  I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
  master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the
 tripods
  and $15 for 10ft

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Paul Rice
Back when I was doing the WISP thing, I used rohn tripods, and galvanized 
conduit.  Anything poles over 10 feet or with high winds, I used some guy 
wires.
That worked really well.

--
From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:48 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
 Michael Baird


 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Josh Luthman
With the minimal wind load of Canopy I would say you'd be all right on the
roof but I've only done this on the ground.  Take a smaller diameter pipe,
drill two perpendicular holes through each (use a hose clamp to hold it in
place) and then bolt it tight.  That gives you a free 8 foot as long as you
use a 10 foot pole - more then what I've ever needed.

This solution is what I use for when the corn gets that extra foot or two
during the spring.  Typically one or two customers a year.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Paul Rice 
paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com wrote:

 Back when I was doing the WISP thing, I used rohn tripods, and galvanized
 conduit.  Anything poles over 10 feet or with high winds, I used some guy
 wires.
 That worked really well.

 --
 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:48 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

  As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
  where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
  majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
  or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
  mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
  the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
  extension that will remain stable into the future.
 
  Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Robert West
My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a
10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them
with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller size
of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT, EMT is
a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust
it with anything with a large wind load very high up.  

I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install
a lot faster now.

Bob-

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations 
where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the 
majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, 
or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional 
mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off 
the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical 
extension that will remain stable into the future.

Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Paul Rice
YMMV, but I've had them out in high winds in excess of 40 miles an hour with 
2 parbolics on 1 10 foot section of 2 inch EMT.
But it is soft, so you might want to get heavier pipe for piece of mind

--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend 
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller 
 size
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT, EMT 
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to 
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys 
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
 Michael Baird


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Robert,

Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller size
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT, EMT
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Scott Reed
Nello (www.nelloinc.com) and others have gable end mounts you can put 
pipe in.  For 10' or less we use 1-1/2 EMT.  For more, it is not 
cheap.  Rigid conduit or pipe from the plumbing supplier.  The pipe 
comes in 21' lengths.  It is heavy and expensive.
We used to use the mounts from Nello.  We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8 
Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.

Michael Baird wrote:
 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations 
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the 
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, 
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional 
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off 
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical 
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Robert West
The 2 would be good for that, it's a big solid item.  But the setup this
guy uses is 1.25 with a 1 inside of it going up 8 feet.  A 2 up that high
would be strong enough I suspect but a 1 would give out quickly I bet.
Would work well with a NS or something small, like a yagi or a small grid.




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Rice
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

YMMV, but I've had them out in high winds in excess of 40 miles an hour with

2 parbolics on 1 10 foot section of 2 inch EMT.
But it is soft, so you might want to get heavier pipe for piece of mind

--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:27 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend 
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller 
 size
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT, EMT 
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to 
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys 
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Mike
'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.





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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Robert West
No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Robert,

Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
size
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT, EMT
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Josh Luthman
I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 --I
I
I
I
 ---
 I
 I
 I
 I

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

  My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a
  10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
  them
  with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
  under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
  well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
 size
  of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
  attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT, EMT
  is
  a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
  trust
  it with anything with a large wind load very high up.
 
  I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
  install
  a lot faster now.
 
  Bob-
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Michael Baird
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
  where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
  majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
  or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
  mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
  the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
  extension that will remain stable into the future.
 
  Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Robert West
[IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

Another crude rendering.

The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back
into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in
towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the
alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a 90
degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple and
he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 --I
I
I
I
 ---
 I
 I
 I
 I

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

  My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
a
  10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
  them
  with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
  under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
  well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
 size
  of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
  attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
EMT
  is
  a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
  trust
  it with anything with a large wind load very high up.
 
  I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
  install
  a lot faster now.
 
  Bob-
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Michael Baird
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
  where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
  majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
  or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
  mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
  the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
  extension that will remain stable into the future.
 
  Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Randy Cosby
http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

Probably overkill.

Ronard makes really good stuff.


Robert West wrote:
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a 90
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple and
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 --I
I
I
I
 ---
 I
 I
 I
 I

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
   
 a
   
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
   
 size
 
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
   
 EMT
   
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Chuck Profito
Robert, 
Not a bad idea at all. It would cut out a tripod and possible roof damage
liability. 
That 'u' part, what is the apx depth of the 'u'? 18 24? and 10-12
vertically? 
If you are running around in the next few days, can you shoot a photo or two
of a representative sample?
I do like the idea of rolling it to the side and lagging it to the eve.
Also, when extending it, you could add two pieces of EMT at a 45's, similar
to a overhead power drop.


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Providing High Speed Broadband 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a
10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them
with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller size
of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT, EMT is
a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust
it with anything with a large wind load very high up.  

I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install
a lot faster now.

Bob-

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations 
where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the 
majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, 
or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional 
mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off 
the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical 
extension that will remain stable into the future.

Regards
Michael Baird




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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Scott Reed
4 length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

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 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
   
 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.
 




 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread ralph
This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

Probably overkill.

Ronard makes really good stuff.


Robert West wrote:
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
back
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
in
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
the
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a 90
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
and
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 --I
I
I
I
 ---
 I
 I
 I
 I

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
   
 a
   
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
   
 size
 
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
   
 EMT
   
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
 Michael Baird




   
 


   
 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Randy Cosby
Another example of overkill, but you'll never have to go back and fix 
it... except when the neighbors complain how ugly it is :)

Up to 2 mast!


ralph wrote:
 This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
 http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

 A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

 Probably overkill.

 Ronard makes really good stuff.


 Robert West wrote:
   
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
 
 back
   
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
 
 in
   
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
 
 the
   
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a 90
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
 
 and
   
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 --I
I
I
I
 ---
 I
 I
 I
 I

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 
   
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
   
 
 a
   
 
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
   
 
 size
 
   
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
   
 
 EMT
   
 
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
 Michael Baird




   
 
 
   
 
   
   
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Wonder if it works on real chimneys or just the cardboard ones =P

Randy is right though - do it right the first time and never again!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:

 Another example of overkill, but you'll never have to go back and fix
 it... except when the neighbors complain how ugly it is :)

 Up to 2 mast!


 ralph wrote:
  This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5
 straps.
  http://www.ronard.com/4424.html
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Randy Cosby
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  http://www.ronard.com/730731.html
 
  A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...
 
  Probably overkill.
 
  Ronard makes really good stuff.
 
 
  Robert West wrote:
 
  [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg%5B/IMG%5D
 
  Another crude rendering.
 
  The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then
 it
  goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
 
  back
 
  into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
 
  in
 
  towards the eave and mount to that as well.
 
  He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
 
  the
 
  alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a
 90
  degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
 
  and
 
  he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
  bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount
 -
  but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the
 muffler
  shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
 
 
  No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
  He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.
 
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  --I
 I
 I
 I
  ---
  I
  I
  I
  I
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  Robert,
 
  Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?
 
  http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg
 
  Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
 
 
  My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks
 for
 
 
  a
 
 
  10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them
 bend
  them
  with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the
 house
  under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave
 as
  well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
 
 
  size
 
 
  of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
  attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
 
 
  EMT
 
 
  is
  a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
  trust
  it with anything with a large wind load very high up.
 
  I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
  install
  a lot faster now.
 
  Bob-
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Michael Baird
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering
 installations
  where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
  majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in
 mount,
  or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Terry Hickey
I have used some like that (only 2 straps) worked alright
- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


 Wonder if it works on real chimneys or just the cardboard ones =P

 Randy is right though - do it right the first time and never again!

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:

 Another example of overkill, but you'll never have to go back and fix
 it... except when the neighbors complain how ugly it is :)

 Up to 2 mast!


 ralph wrote:
  This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5
 straps.
  http://www.ronard.com/4424.html
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Randy Cosby
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  http://www.ronard.com/730731.html
 
  A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...
 
  Probably overkill.
 
  Ronard makes really good stuff.
 
 
  Robert West wrote:
 
  [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg%5B/IMG%5D
 
  Another crude rendering.
 
  The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then
 it
  goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
 
  back
 
  into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the 
  assembly
 
  in
 
  towards the eave and mount to that as well.
 
  He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler 
  pipe,
 
  the
 
  alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does 
  a
 90
  degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned 
  simple
 
  and
 
  he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 
  20
  bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
  On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard 
  powmount
 -
  but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the
 muffler
  shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 
  turn?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
 
 
  No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
  He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.
 
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  --I
 I
 I
 I
  ---
  I
  I
  I
  I
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  Robert,
 
  Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?
 
  http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg
 
  Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
 
 
  My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks
 for
 
 
  a
 
 
  10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them
 bend
  them
  with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the
 house
  under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the 
  eave
 as
  well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next 
  smaller
 
 
  size
 
 
  of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts 
  to
  attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. 
  BUT,
 
 
  EMT
 
 
  is
  a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want 
  to
  trust
  it with anything with a large wind load very high up.
 
  I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
  install
  a lot faster now.
 
  Bob-
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Michael Baird
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney
and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a carpenter
bill as well. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

Probably overkill.

Ronard makes really good stuff.


Robert West wrote:
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
back
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
in
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
the
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a 90
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
and
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 --I
I
I
I
 ---
 I
 I
 I
 I

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
   
 a
   
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
   
 size
 
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
   
 EMT
   
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
 Michael Baird




   
 


   
 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread AJ
What are you guys using to cut Unistrut?

I love using it for side mounts on towers but most of those were precut to
length before I arrived at the work site...

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney
 and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a
 carpenter
 bill as well.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of ralph
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
 http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

 A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

 Probably overkill.

 Ronard makes really good stuff.


 Robert West wrote:
  [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]
 
  Another crude rendering.
 
  The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
  goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
 back
  into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
 in
  towards the eave and mount to that as well.
 
  He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
 the
  alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a
 90
  degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
 and
  he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
  bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
  but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
  shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
 
  No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
  He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.
 
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  --I
 I
 I
 I
  ---
  I
  I
  I
  I
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  Robert,
 
  Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?
 
  http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg
 
  Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
 
  My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
 
  a
 
  10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
  them
  with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
  under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave
 as
  well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
 
  size
 
  of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
  attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
 
  EMT
 
  is
  a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
  trust
  it with anything with a large wind load very high up.
 
  I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
  install
  a lot faster now.
 
  Bob-
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Michael Baird
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
  where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
  majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
  or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
  mounting options, specifically we would like

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread ralph
I was debating whether or not it was an early/or late April first product
introduction.
No way I'd use one of those ugly things!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Another example of overkill, but you'll never have to go back and fix 
it... except when the neighbors complain how ugly it is :)

Up to 2 mast!


ralph wrote:
 This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
 http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

 A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

 Probably overkill.

 Ronard makes really good stuff.


 Robert West wrote:
   
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
 
 back
   
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
 
 in
   
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
 
 the
   
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a
90
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
 
 and
   
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 --I
I
I
I
 ---
 I
 I
 I
 I

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 
   
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
   
 
 a
   
 
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave
as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
   
 
 size
 
   
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
   
 
 EMT
   
 
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Chuck Hogg
I was thinking the same thing.  I saw a strapped pole to a chimney once
for a TV antenna and it had crumbled the brick/mortar to the point that
it was falling apart.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:42 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old
chimney
and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a
carpenter
bill as well. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5
straps.
http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

Probably overkill.

Ronard makes really good stuff.


Robert West wrote:
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then
it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
back
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the
assembly
in
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler
pipe,
the
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does
a 90
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned
simple
and
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like
20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard
powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the
muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90
turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 --I
I
I
I
 ---
 I
 I
 I
 I

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks
for
   
 a
   
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them
bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the
house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the
eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next
smaller
   
 size
 
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts
to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.
BUT,
   
 EMT
   
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want
to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering
installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently
the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Scott Reed
Recip saw with medium metal blade.

AJ wrote:
 What are you guys using to cut Unistrut?

 I love using it for side mounts on towers but most of those were precut to
 length before I arrived at the work site...

 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

   
 Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney
 and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a
 carpenter
 bill as well.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of ralph
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
 http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

 A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

 Probably overkill.

 Ronard makes really good stuff.


 Robert West wrote:
 
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
   
 back
 
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
   
 in
 
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
   
 the
 
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a
   
 90
 
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
   
 and
 
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:


   
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 I
 --I
I
I
I
 ---
 I
 I
 I
 I

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:


 
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for

   
 a

   
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave
   
 as
 
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller

   
 size

 
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,

   
 EMT

   
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
   
 On
 
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Robert West
Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a
friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make cash,
didn't know a thing about wifi or networking.  But the 2 motivators for him
was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make up
mounts for whatever situation they were in..  Dunno how that was
ever gonna work right and it never did.  When the wind blew these things
would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up
some bracket out of legos, basically.  The second motivation is that the new
owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration,
which is a good idea for anyone.  So somehow he came up with this pipe bent
at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner.  Cheap,
cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted
in a matter of minutes.

I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Profito
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:28 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Robert, 
Not a bad idea at all. It would cut out a tripod and possible roof damage
liability. 
That 'u' part, what is the apx depth of the 'u'? 18 24? and 10-12
vertically? 
If you are running around in the next few days, can you shoot a photo or two
of a representative sample?
I do like the idea of rolling it to the side and lagging it to the eve.
Also, when extending it, you could add two pieces of EMT at a 45's, similar
to a overhead power drop.


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com 
Providing High Speed Broadband 
to Rural Central California




-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:27 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a
10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them
with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller size
of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT, EMT is
a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust
it with anything with a large wind load very high up.  

I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install
a lot faster now.

Bob-

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations 
where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the 
majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, 
or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional 
mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off 
the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical 
extension that will remain stable into the future.

Regards
Michael Baird




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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread eje
Reproach saw. Same thing with all thread but make sure you put the bolts on 
before doing the cut. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:53:15 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


What are you guys using to cut Unistrut?

I love using it for side mounts on towers but most of those were precut to
length before I arrived at the work site...

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote:

 Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney
 and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a
 carpenter
 bill as well.

 / Eje

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of ralph
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
 http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Randy Cosby
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

 A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

 Probably overkill.

 Ronard makes really good stuff.


 Robert West wrote:
  [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]
 
  Another crude rendering.
 
  The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
  goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
 back
  into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
 in
  towards the eave and mount to that as well.
 
  He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
 the
  alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a
 90
  degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
 and
  he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
  bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
  but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
  shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
 
  No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
  He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.
 
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  I
  --I
 I
 I
 I
  ---
  I
  I
  I
  I
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  Robert,
 
  Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?
 
  http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg
 
  Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
  robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
 
 
  My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
 
  a
 
  10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
  them
  with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
  under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave
 as
  well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
 
  size
 
  of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
  attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
 
  EMT
 
  is
  a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
  trust
  it with anything with a large wind load very high up.
 
  I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
  install
  a lot faster now.
 
  Bob-
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Michael Baird
  Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
 
  As we get

Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread J. Vogel
I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work
going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the
bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger
and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points.
Perhaps I am missing something...

ASCII art of what I am thinking below.


  |
  |
  |
  |
  |
  |
  |
   ___/
 / 
|
|


Robert West wrote:
 Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a
 friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make cash,
 didn't know a thing about wifi or networking.  But the 2 motivators for him
 was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make up
 mounts for whatever situation they were in..  Dunno how that was
 ever gonna work right and it never did.  When the wind blew these things
 would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up
 some bracket out of legos, basically.  The second motivation is that the new
 owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration,
 which is a good idea for anyone.  So somehow he came up with this pipe bent
 at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner.  Cheap,
 cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted
 in a matter of minutes.

 I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics.

 Bob-


   

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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Josh Luthman
I think you mean straight up from the j-arm.  ASCII art didn't turn
out from what I see.

On 8/27/09, J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote:
 I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work
 going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the
 bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger
 and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points.
 Perhaps I am missing something...

 ASCII art of what I am thinking below.


   |
   |
   |
   |
   |
   |
   |
___/
  /
 |
 |


 Robert West wrote:
 Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a
 friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make
 cash,
 didn't know a thing about wifi or networking.  But the 2 motivators for
 him
 was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make
 up
 mounts for whatever situation they were in..  Dunno how that was
 ever gonna work right and it never did.  When the wind blew these things
 would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up
 some bracket out of legos, basically.  The second motivation is that the
 new
 owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration,
 which is a good idea for anyone.  So somehow he came up with this pipe
 bent
 at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner.
 Cheap,
 cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted
 in a matter of minutes.

 I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics.

 Bob-




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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread J. Vogel
Obviously, my ASCII art skills are lacking. :) You are correct.

Josh Luthman wrote:
 I think you mean straight up from the j-arm.  ASCII art didn't turn
 out from what I see.

 On 8/27/09, J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote:
   
 I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work
 going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the
 bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger
 and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points.
 Perhaps I am missing something...

 ASCII art of what I am thinking below.


   |
   |
   |
   |
   |
   |
   |
___/
  /
 |
 |


 Robert West wrote:
 
 Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from a
 friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make
 cash,
 didn't know a thing about wifi or networking.  But the 2 motivators for
 him
 was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make
 up
 mounts for whatever situation they were in..  Dunno how that was
 ever gonna work right and it never did.  When the wind blew these things
 would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making up
 some bracket out of legos, basically.  The second motivation is that the
 new
 owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration,
 which is a good idea for anyone.  So somehow he came up with this pipe
 bent
 at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner.
 Cheap,
 cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket mounted
 in a matter of minutes.

 I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics.

 Bob-



   
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 http://www.vogent.net   620-754-3907
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Terry Hickey
Here is what I have done when I need to be above the roof.
http://thickey.rockies.net/gallery/installs

Everything is from a plumbing supply store. Galvanized pipe in whatever 
diameter works for the install (1 1/4 to 1/12 depending on load and height). 
hanger clamps with ready-rod cut to length and guys if the height warrants 
it.


 - Original Message - 
From: J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions


I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work
 going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the
 bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger
 and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points.
 Perhaps I am missing something...

 ASCII art of what I am thinking below.


  |
  |
  |
  |
  |
  |
  |
   ___/
 /
 |
 |


 Robert West wrote:
 Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from 
 a
 friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make 
 cash,
 didn't know a thing about wifi or networking.  But the 2 motivators for 
 him
 was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make 
 up
 mounts for whatever situation they were in..  Dunno how that was
 ever gonna work right and it never did.  When the wind blew these things
 would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making 
 up
 some bracket out of legos, basically.  The second motivation is that the 
 new
 owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof penetration,
 which is a good idea for anyone.  So somehow he came up with this pipe 
 bent
 at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner. 
 Cheap,
 cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket 
 mounted
 in a matter of minutes.

 I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics.

 Bob-




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 http://www.vogent.net   620-754-3907
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the
tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:

  4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

/\
   /-\
 / \
   / \
 /\
 



Mike wrote:
  
  
'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
  


  ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8"
Unistrut with 1/4" lags and clamp the pipe to it.

  





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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Josh Luthman
Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
 I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts.  Channel
 master.  Tripods are $18 and masts are $11.  We charge $30 for the tripods
 and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

 Brian

 Scott Reed wrote:

 4 length of strut at the peak.
 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
 Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

 /\
/-\
  / \
/ \
  /\




 Mike wrote:


 'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

 At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:



 ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
 Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the pipe to it.




 
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Brian Rohrbacher




Oh ya. I love my lag bolts! A strip of mastic and send the lag right
through it. 5 years, thousands of holes and not a leak to speak of.
It's not uncommon for me to do a 45 minute install. (I;m the boss.
It's not like I get paid by the hour!)

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote:

  Tripods like roof hole making tripods?

On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote:
  
  
I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel
master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods
and $15 for 10ft mast including install.

Brian

Scott Reed wrote:


  4" length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.

/\
   /-\
 / \
   / \
 /\




Mike wrote:

  
  
'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.

At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:




  ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8"
Unistrut with 1/4" lags and clamp the pipe to it.


  



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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Chuck Hogg
Agreed wholeheartedly!  The boss is on site, the job is done quickly.
The boss not on site = the job gets done, but on their time.  I followed
a problem crew around the other day, and what do you know? They made
it back to the office 20 minutes early.

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 

Oh ya.  I love my lag bolts!  A strip of mastic and send the lag right
through it.  5 years, thousands of holes and not a leak to speak of.
It's not uncommon for me to do a 45 minute install.  (I;m the boss.
It's not like I get paid by the hour!)

Brian

Josh Luthman wrote: 

Tripods like roof hole making tripods?
 
On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net
mailto:br...@reliableinter.net  wrote:
  

I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts.
Channel
master.  Tripods are $18 and masts are $11.  We charge $30 for
the tripods
and $15 for 10ft mast including install.
 
Brian
 
Scott Reed wrote:


4 length of strut at the peak.
5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the
eaves.
Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe.
 
/\
   /-\
 / \
   / \
 /\
 
 
 
 
Mike wrote:
 
  

'splain please!  How is that configured? Thanks.
 
At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote:
 
 


... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8
Unistrut with 1/4 lags and clamp the
pipe to it.
 
 
  

 



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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

2009-08-27 Thread Scottie Arnett
Looks like a mount designed by an under-confident Civil Engineer.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:25:55 -0400

This is a weird looking animal!  A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps.
http://www.ronard.com/4424.html


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

http://www.ronard.com/730731.html

A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable...

Probably overkill.

Ronard makes really good stuff.


Robert West wrote:
 [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG]

 Another crude rendering.

 The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house.  Then it
 goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then
back
 into over the roof.  If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly
in
 towards the eave and mount to that as well.  

 He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe,
the
 alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend.  So it does a 90
 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again.  Looked darned simple
and
 he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20
 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them.  



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount -
 but the top horizontal line is where I am confused.  You said the muffler
 shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

   
 No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering.
 He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave.

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 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 Robert,

 Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting?

 http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg

 Note - IANAA (I am not an artist)

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West
 robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 
 My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for
   
 a
   
 10' section.  He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend
 them
 with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house
 under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as
 well for stability.  For additional height he inserts the next smaller
   
 size
 
 of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to
 attach them together.  He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way.  BUT,
   
 EMT
   
 is
 a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to
 trust
 it with anything with a large wind load very high up.

 I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys
 install
 a lot faster now.

 Bob-

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Michael Baird
 Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

 As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations
 where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the
 majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount,
 or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional
 mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off
 the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical
 extension that will remain stable into the future.

 Regards
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2009-08-27 Thread Robert West
I'm not sure.  I'm no engineer, post that on the Ham list and you'll get 15
opinions with graphs and studies from 1968 proving that you don't need to
mount it on the roof at all.  For me, it just looks more stable since it
comes out then returns to the same plane, possibly putting less stress on
the mount.  Dunno.  I don't see where it would be any less effective either
way.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of J. Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions

Obviously, my ASCII art skills are lacking. :) You are correct.

Josh Luthman wrote:
 I think you mean straight up from the j-arm.  ASCII art didn't turn
 out from what I see.

 On 8/27/09, J. Vogel jvo...@vogent.com wrote:
   
 I don't understand the need for the full U bend. Why wouldn't it work
 going straight up from the facia/gable mount instead of continuing the
 bend to get back over the roof? I would think that it would be stronger
 and more rigid if the bends were all between the mounting points.
 Perhaps I am missing something...

 ASCII art of what I am thinking below.


   |
   |
   |
   |
   |
   |
   |
___/
  /
 |
 |


 Robert West wrote:
 
 Well, the story on this is, the competitor dude, he bought the wisp from
a
 friend of mine who was near death from cancer and he bought it to make
 cash,
 didn't know a thing about wifi or networking.  But the 2 motivators for
 him
 was, his guys were using 1/2 galvanized water pipe and fittings to make
 up
 mounts for whatever situation they were in..  Dunno how that was
 ever gonna work right and it never did.  When the wind blew these things
 would move about on the fittings and the guys would take forever making
up
 some bracket out of legos, basically.  The second motivation is that the
 new
 owner of the wisp is an insurance agent and won't allow roof
penetration,
 which is a good idea for anyone.  So somehow he came up with this pipe
 bent
 at the muffler shop idea and I have to say, it looks like a winner.
 Cheap,
 cheap, cheap and from what the guys say, they can have the bracket
mounted
 in a matter of minutes.

 I'll see if I can locate one or two installs and get some pics.

 Bob-



   
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 http://www.vogent.net   620-754-3907
 Vogel Enterprises LLC
 Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas






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