Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.

2009-02-23 Thread Patrick Leary
Not yet for 3.65 GHz, though do not use it for other bands. With few
exceptions, the CPE has performed fine, but it is not the most
attractive that is true. For this market, our intent is to enable CPEs
to be very low priced and pretty has taken a hit... 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
knowwhatyouthink.

Patrick,

Any chance of a non-tranzeo CPE in the werks? 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
knowwhatyou think.

For clarity's sake, John is referring to Tranzeo below, not Aperto.

Aperto has sync, is a WISPA member and the PM3000 micro WiMAX base
station supports over 200 CPE. The PM5000 supports over 500. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know
whatyou think.

Cons:
No GPS sync
Max of 32 CPE per base station
CPE radio looks like somebody made it in their garage.
Not a WISPA Vendor Member (even when we have asked many times for their
support)

Pros:
Cheap
Scriv




On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Tranzeo now offers a low cost 3.65 basestation with CPE that is 
 compatible with Redline's Redmax basestation and CPE.

 -Eric

 Pat O'Connor wrote:
 We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different 
 locations because of interference issues.  So far they have the most 
 compelling price point.  I'd like to know how well it works in the 
 field.  All opinions appreciated.  Hit me off list if you want to.\

 Thanks,

 Pat


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Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.

2009-02-23 Thread Patrick Leary
Not yet for 3.65 GHz, though do not use it for other bands. With few
exceptions, the CPE has performed fine, but it is not the most
attractive that is true. For this market, our intent is to enable CPEs
to be very low priced and pretty has taken a hit... 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
knowwhatyouthink.

Patrick,

Any chance of a non-tranzeo CPE in the werks? 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
knowwhatyou think.

For clarity's sake, John is referring to Tranzeo below, not Aperto.

Aperto has sync, is a WISPA member and the PM3000 micro WiMAX base
station supports over 200 CPE. The PM5000 supports over 500. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know
whatyou think.

Cons:
No GPS sync
Max of 32 CPE per base station
CPE radio looks like somebody made it in their garage.
Not a WISPA Vendor Member (even when we have asked many times for their
support)

Pros:
Cheap
Scriv




On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Tranzeo now offers a low cost 3.65 basestation with CPE that is 
 compatible with Redline's Redmax basestation and CPE.

 -Eric

 Pat O'Connor wrote:
 We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different 
 locations because of interference issues.  So far they have the most 
 compelling price point.  I'd like to know how well it works in the 
 field.  All opinions appreciated.  Hit me off list if you want to.\

 Thanks,

 Pat


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Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.

2009-02-23 Thread Michael Baird
No PPPoE or Routing support either I believe.

Regards
Michael Baird
 Not yet for 3.65 GHz, though do not use it for other bands. With few
 exceptions, the CPE has performed fine, but it is not the most
 attractive that is true. For this market, our intent is to enable CPEs
 to be very low priced and pretty has taken a hit... 


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Gino Villarini
 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:38 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
 knowwhatyouthink.

 Patrick,

 Any chance of a non-tranzeo CPE in the werks? 


 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:34 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
 knowwhatyou think.

 For clarity's sake, John is referring to Tranzeo below, not Aperto.

 Aperto has sync, is a WISPA member and the PM3000 micro WiMAX base
 station supports over 200 CPE. The PM5000 supports over 500. 


 Patrick Leary
 Aperto Networks
 813.426.4230 mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of John Scrivner
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:54 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know
 whatyou think.

 Cons:
 No GPS sync
 Max of 32 CPE per base station
 CPE radio looks like somebody made it in their garage.
 Not a WISPA Vendor Member (even when we have asked many times for their
 support)

 Pros:
 Cheap
 Scriv




 On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   
 Tranzeo now offers a low cost 3.65 basestation with CPE that is 
 compatible with Redline's Redmax basestation and CPE.

 -Eric

 Pat O'Connor wrote:
 
 We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different 
 locations because of interference issues.  So far they have the most 
 compelling price point.  I'd like to know how well it works in the 
 field.  All opinions appreciated.  Hit me off list if you want to.\

 Thanks,

 Pat


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Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.

2009-02-23 Thread Patrick Leary
It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a
bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also,
since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in
the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and
perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE
interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are
spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch
technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving
back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed
business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the
better standard, at least with my current hindsight.


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM
To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
knowwhatyouthink.

Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me.  The reason I ask is that I
saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to
go.  Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
wrote:
 Marlon,

 What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have 
 many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as 
 towerstream )

 -

 Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
 Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know 
 whatyouthink.

 I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability.  I have 
 one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are
shocking.

 I'd have dumped them years ago.

 Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto.  (I've been to 
 the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that 
 doesn't help my customers at all.)

 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what

 youthink.


 We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different 
 locations because of interference issues.  So far they have the most 
 compelling price point.  I'd like to know how well it works in the 
 field.  All opinions appreciated.  Hit me off list if you want to.\

 Thanks,

 Pat


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Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.

2009-02-23 Thread John Rock
Well said Patrick...
I would like to add - as a whole the industry uses the word mobility all
the time and has used that pretense of mobile broadband coverage anywhere
you go as a staple to the word WiMAX. The truth is WiMAX from about any of
the WiMAX manufacturers has made great improvements in QoS and receive
sensitivities with the use of smarter antenna technology but still fall
short in the realm of seamless mobility most of us have grown to expect with
our cell phones/hand held devices. That is 802.16d
802.16e offers the promise of mobility in a seamless sense, meaning
roaming from tower to tower or sector to sector without any noticeable drop
in service. Wow I wish my cell phone never dropped a call. That may sound
great but like Patrick said the carrier groups that can maybe afford the
costs of the huge build out required to have that type of coverage have
their ties to LTE technology or are tied up with the tough economic times as
we all are.

Now let's look at the present technology of 802.16d and Aperto as this
thread entails. I can drive from one town to another and get associated and
pass data(12Mbx8Mb). Since I drove with a CPE in my car and mobile antenna
on my roof that makes me mobile on that network right. So I may have dropped
a few packets as I roamed from site to site but as long as I can get IP back
up everything is good. Aperto has a very reliable cost effective solution
today for 3.65GHz and like any manufacture it has the functionality of WiMAX
which helps a ton with service profiling for your customers. If people are
not using some sort of 802.16(WiMAX) product they are falling behind in the
exciting future of the Wireless Marketplace.

Now a WiMAX rant, not sure if the WiMAX Forums ears are open but, I am
disappointed that I do not have a CPE(802.16d) that can link to anyone's
Base Stations. Sure with the onset of 802.16e that is supposed to work but
the lack of earlier interoperability that the WiMAX forum promised from the
onset has been disappointing to me. If we had interoperable systems like the
essence of WiFi with the current WiMAX systems the marketplace may have been
quicker to embrace the technology and great strides could have been made for
network roaming already. Roaming agreements could already be in place if
interoperability was the true focus from the beginning. End WiMAX rant


John Rock
Director of Operations - Senior Engineer
Wireless Connections
166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:00 PM
To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
knowwhatyouthink.

It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a
bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also,
since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in
the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and
perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE
interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are
spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch
technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving
back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed
business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the
better standard, at least with my current hindsight.


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM
To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
knowwhatyouthink.

Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me.  The reason I ask is that I
saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to
go.  Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm
wrote:
 Marlon,

 What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have 
 many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as 
 towerstream )

 -

 Jeff


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun

Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.

2009-02-23 Thread Anthony Will
So from the sound of this I should be looking at LTE as my next 
technology solution?  Keeping in mind the LTE still is not here?  Also 
keeping in mind that it will likely never be developed in an unlicensed 
spectrum solution except for maybe TV White spaces since the current 
networks that are deploying expect to use 700mhz as their solution.  
What does WiMAX even bring to the table then?  The only spectrum to 
reliably deploy it in is 25mhz of 3650 spectrum since it is not 
interference tolerant.  That seems like a large investment for such a 
small amount of spectrum especially since there are more cost effective 
products out today that are as good or better than WiMAX on the table, 
for many more bands of spectrum. 
I guess my real question is why WiMAX?

PS I really would like to deploy WiMAX and expect to, but I am looking 
exclusively at .e since it is the only standard still being actively 
worked on that I am aware of. 

Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.

John Rock wrote:
 Well said Patrick...
 I would like to add - as a whole the industry uses the word mobility all
 the time and has used that pretense of mobile broadband coverage anywhere
 you go as a staple to the word WiMAX. The truth is WiMAX from about any of
 the WiMAX manufacturers has made great improvements in QoS and receive
 sensitivities with the use of smarter antenna technology but still fall
 short in the realm of seamless mobility most of us have grown to expect with
 our cell phones/hand held devices. That is 802.16d
 802.16e offers the promise of mobility in a seamless sense, meaning
 roaming from tower to tower or sector to sector without any noticeable drop
 in service. Wow I wish my cell phone never dropped a call. That may sound
 great but like Patrick said the carrier groups that can maybe afford the
 costs of the huge build out required to have that type of coverage have
 their ties to LTE technology or are tied up with the tough economic times as
 we all are.

 Now let's look at the present technology of 802.16d and Aperto as this
 thread entails. I can drive from one town to another and get associated and
 pass data(12Mbx8Mb). Since I drove with a CPE in my car and mobile antenna
 on my roof that makes me mobile on that network right. So I may have dropped
 a few packets as I roamed from site to site but as long as I can get IP back
 up everything is good. Aperto has a very reliable cost effective solution
 today for 3.65GHz and like any manufacture it has the functionality of WiMAX
 which helps a ton with service profiling for your customers. If people are
 not using some sort of 802.16(WiMAX) product they are falling behind in the
 exciting future of the Wireless Marketplace.

 Now a WiMAX rant, not sure if the WiMAX Forums ears are open but, I am
 disappointed that I do not have a CPE(802.16d) that can link to anyone's
 Base Stations. Sure with the onset of 802.16e that is supposed to work but
 the lack of earlier interoperability that the WiMAX forum promised from the
 onset has been disappointing to me. If we had interoperable systems like the
 essence of WiFi with the current WiMAX systems the marketplace may have been
 quicker to embrace the technology and great strides could have been made for
 network roaming already. Roaming agreements could already be in place if
 interoperability was the true focus from the beginning. End WiMAX rant


 John Rock
 Director of Operations - Senior Engineer
 Wireless Connections
 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 
 ACCessing the Future Today!!
 ofc. 419.660.6100
 cell 419-706-7356
 fax  419-668-4077
 http://www.wirelessconnections.net
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 Behalf Of Patrick Leary
 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:00 PM
 To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to
 knowwhatyouthink.

 It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a
 bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also,
 since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in
 the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and
 perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE
 interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are
 spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch
 technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving

Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.

2009-02-23 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Hi Patrick,

I have a customer in Ca. that used Aperto (on my advice).  He probably 
started with it in 03 or so.  He was much more patient that I've ever been. 
The failure rates were even worse than SmartBridges.  I told him many a time 
to bail and start using other gear.

As for coming down there, I need to get back to a few shows first.  I'm 
hoping to hit the next ISPCon (though I said that last year too).

Why don't you send an engineer up here for a week or two?  I'll put him to 
work so he can learn what we have to deal with out here in the sticks.  Ben 
Moore spent a couple of days out here a couple of years ago.  It was good 
for both of us.

Sy, I'd think a product planning/sales type consultant could do with 
some time crawling under trailer homes etc.!  You'd be able to offer up 
a lot of great advice to your engineers due to the experiences gained from 
several days of installs!

I hope things work out for you at Aperto.  They are lucky to have you 
working for them.

Now that they are a vendor member (they are right???) I hope you'll run for 
a board position at WISPA!

marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to 
knowwhatyouthink.


 Marlon, et al,

 First full disclosure: I am currently a full time consultant to Aperto,
 so I obviously carry some degree of a bias.

 Marlon, I am not sure which products you are referring to, but I suspect
 it is the old PacketWave products, all of which have been discontinued.
 Aperto today markets only one type of product: PacketMAX. While we have
 a strong 802.16e product in beta, PacketMAX is today an 802.16d product,
 which is designed for and optimized for fixed environments. In the U.S.,
 PacketMAX supports all 5 GHz frequencies, as well as the 3.65 GHz band.
 These are all bands we likely agree are fixed in nature, so 802.16d is
 the correct version of WiMAX for these bands. 802.16e may have some
 future (I've learned to be much less hopeful for its efficacy as an
 accepted future mobile solution...actually, I am now a skeptic who
 believes the market forces will render it a deep back seat to LTE), but
 for fixed as it relates to WiMAX, 802.16d is the best of the WiMAX
 standards. The e version injects to much overhead and latency. Using e
 in a completely fixed environment is somewhat like trying to argue a
 sports car makes the best cargo hauler. But, this is not the main reason
 for my response...

 Aperto certainly had some big challenges in the transition from
 PacketWave to PacketMAX. Many of the issues were legacy and related to
 management decisions on what markets to focus on and accordingly what
 bands and solution types. Marlon, since you have visited, management has
 changed, including replacement of the former CEO to one who is much more
 pragmatic, realistic and U.S. focused. Our new CEO, Brian Deutsch (who
 is in large part why I joined), gets the U.S. opportunity and
 especially understands what Aperto can be and more importantly, what it
 can NOT be. Brian knows Aperto will not be the company to win major
 carrier business, nor should it. With the team, he has made big changes
 in how the company functions and responds, and with it many changes to
 how products are decided upon and delivered to the market, and who
 manages it.

 Recently, we made sure all product decisions and management and core
 work on PacketMAX 802.16d has been moved from India back to the U.S.,
 where the core intelligence, executive visibility and competency exist.
 This is a decision I highly support. As part of this, we have had our
 most senior technical staff making long trips to key customers to live
 in their environments for a bit to learn how they work and the issues
 they face. We've taken these findings and converted them into actions
 plans that have been already put into work and resulted in major
 changes.

 PacketWave is long gone now and that product bear little resemblance to
 PacketMAX, both in architecture and functionality. No more two cables up
 for instance. It is now 100% IF at the base station and PoE at the CPE.
 The QoS functionality is excellent. The NMS has been changed to permit
 local mode support and a wide range of other must have features
 identified by U.S. customers. The PacketMAX 802.16d product is a sound,
 high value, moderately priced solution with rich features and
 functionality. It is a living product (unlike what some competitiors
 might claim), undergoing continuing evolution and RD.  When I was at
 Alvarion, I was indoctrinated to believe that d was a dead end. I have
 since learned that was entirely and view centric to Alvarion and others
 solely focused on e, because for THEM, that is true. But not for us and
 I think time will prove Aperto right -- d is the best WiMAX standard for
 fixed and in fact, e has a much less