Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
Matt, how much is your bandwidth, say 100megs, in the Pittock? George Matt Liotta wrote: On Dec 8, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* I've looked at the Any2 Exchange here in Chicago. Unfortunately they only have like 3 participants. Despite their lower participant numbers, I'm looking to join non- Equinix exchanges here in Chicago (Any2 and ChicagoIX). We are members of Any2 in DC, which has very few members and we only see about 100Kbps of traffic. I wouldn't waste your time. The place I get colo, etc. from in 350 E. Cermak offers a free 100 meg connection to ChicagoIX if you're a colo customer and most of the members are on their route server. Just for general knowledge, how do some of the others relate on price compared to Equinix (assuming cheaper) and Any2 (assuming around the same)? Any2 is the best deal around, but only on the west coast is there any traffic. Big Apple, Nap of the Americas, and Seattle are cheap and useful. Not that we are members of any of them. We will be probably join some additional exchanges in other markets when we have customers there. We have other ISPs buying transit and voice from us that put us in markets without a wireless footprint. Chicago is on our radar, but thus far none of the ISPs we have talked to have pulled the trigger. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
Any location within or very close to our market coverage we will build and install 100Mbps for $3600 MRC. Fiber lit locations and carrier hotels are way cheaper, but it depends on the address. There are WISPs who currently pay us $1000 MRC for a 100 meg commit on a GigE port at carrier hotels. The best part is that we don't get depeered once a year like Cogent. I think more interesting is the fact that we don't require signing up for large commits. We just had an ISP buy 20Mbps from us for $200 MRC. I think they were trying to ruin our ARPU. ;) -Matt On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:36 AM, George Rogato wrote: Matt, how much is your bandwidth, say 100megs, in the Pittock? George Matt Liotta wrote: On Dec 8, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* I've looked at the Any2 Exchange here in Chicago. Unfortunately they only have like 3 participants. Despite their lower participant numbers, I'm looking to join non- Equinix exchanges here in Chicago (Any2 and ChicagoIX). We are members of Any2 in DC, which has very few members and we only see about 100Kbps of traffic. I wouldn't waste your time. The place I get colo, etc. from in 350 E. Cermak offers a free 100 meg connection to ChicagoIX if you're a colo customer and most of the members are on their route server. Just for general knowledge, how do some of the others relate on price compared to Equinix (assuming cheaper) and Any2 (assuming around the same)? Any2 is the best deal around, but only on the west coast is there any traffic. Big Apple, Nap of the Americas, and Seattle are cheap and useful. Not that we are members of any of them. We will be probably join some additional exchanges in other markets when we have customers there. We have other ISPs buying transit and voice from us that put us in markets without a wireless footprint. Chicago is on our radar, but thus far none of the ISPs we have talked to have pulled the trigger. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
We have Akamai, they look at your AS and determine the amount of request. You probably need to draw 20 meg/s from their network before qualifying, they do provide machines to co-locate within your network, you just have to supply a /29 network. Limelight will not do this, they only will do a peering arrangement, I am currently in the process of exploring a peering arrangement with Limelight, I don't know their criteria for establishing a peering arrangment as of yet. Regards Michael Baird With all the talk of Netflix and other bandwidth-intensive streaming applications that are on the horizon, has anyone here looked into peering with any of the major CDNs to reduce transit costs? I seem to remember hearing that Akamai would colo a box within an ISP's network at no cost to the ISP if there was enough (bandwidth) demand. Anyone know if Limelight will do something similar? I'm guessing that most of us are not big enough for this to be financially feasible, but for those who are, it seems that there could be some major savings. My 100% business customer base tends to use a lot of bandwidth from Youtube and streaming radio. A direct connection to Limelight would cut down on transit costs big time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
We peer with every major content network. Most have open peering policies that require little to get a peering relationship. Some require specific amounts of traffic and/or multiple geographically diverse connections. Before you get your hopes up though I will warn you that connecting to peering fabrics has gotten expensive, while the price of transit has gotten cheap. For example, the most important peering fabric in the US is at Equinix Ashburn. Last quote I saw for peering ports was $1,500 for 100Mbps and $3,000 for 1Gbps. Forgetting all the costs associated with getting into Ashburn, you would need 100Mbps of peer traffic just to get the cost of the peer traffic down to $15 per meg, which is higher than most carriers will sell you a 100Mbps of transit at Ashburn. In other words, unless you are doing 100s of megs of peering traffic, transit is cheaper. -Matt On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: With all the talk of Netflix and other bandwidth-intensive streaming applications that are on the horizon, has anyone here looked into peering with any of the major CDNs to reduce transit costs? I seem to remember hearing that Akamai would colo a box within an ISP's network at no cost to the ISP if there was enough (bandwidth) demand. Anyone know if Limelight will do something similar? I'm guessing that most of us are not big enough for this to be financially feasible, but for those who are, it seems that there could be some major savings. My 100% business customer base tends to use a lot of bandwidth from Youtube and streaming radio. A direct connection to Limelight would cut down on transit costs big time. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
This web site is your friend: www.peeringdb.com A short while ago I was talking about peering and upstream selection on this list. I doubt there's much of putting boxes somewhere due to the massive amounts of content now required to be on that box. There's obviously a lot in Ashburn, but Equinix is damn expensive... to the point where it's not exactly worth it from a cost savings perspective. You also have Vienna and DC right there. Being that close to DC, it can't be too difficult for you to get on some metro fiber and ride into these data centers to purchase cheap transit and peer with some of these guys. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 6:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] CDN peering With all the talk of Netflix and other bandwidth-intensive streaming applications that are on the horizon, has anyone here looked into peering with any of the major CDNs to reduce transit costs? I seem to remember hearing that Akamai would colo a box within an ISP's network at no cost to the ISP if there was enough (bandwidth) demand. Anyone know if Limelight will do something similar? I'm guessing that most of us are not big enough for this to be financially feasible, but for those who are, it seems that there could be some major savings. My 100% business customer base tends to use a lot of bandwidth from Youtube and streaming radio. A direct connection to Limelight would cut down on transit costs big time. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=4 It doesn't appear as if there are any exchanges in Michigan, you'd have to go to OH or Chicago to peer with anyone. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Michael Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:00 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] CDN peering We have Akamai, they look at your AS and determine the amount of request. You probably need to draw 20 meg/s from their network before qualifying, they do provide machines to co-locate within your network, you just have to supply a /29 network. Limelight will not do this, they only will do a peering arrangement, I am currently in the process of exploring a peering arrangement with Limelight, I don't know their criteria for establishing a peering arrangment as of yet. Regards Michael Baird With all the talk of Netflix and other bandwidth-intensive streaming applications that are on the horizon, has anyone here looked into peering with any of the major CDNs to reduce transit costs? I seem to remember hearing that Akamai would colo a box within an ISP's network at no cost to the ISP if there was enough (bandwidth) demand. Anyone know if Limelight will do something similar? I'm guessing that most of us are not big enough for this to be financially feasible, but for those who are, it seems that there could be some major savings. My 100% business customer base tends to use a lot of bandwidth from Youtube and streaming radio. A direct connection to Limelight would cut down on transit costs big time. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
Matt does have a little bigger network than a lot of us. ;-) https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=724 How'd you get the Microsoft peer and what all sits on that? I know their XBox downloads are on Limelight, but perhaps their others are on their own AS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] CDN peering We peer with every major content network. Most have open peering policies that require little to get a peering relationship. Some require specific amounts of traffic and/or multiple geographically diverse connections. Before you get your hopes up though I will warn you that connecting to peering fabrics has gotten expensive, while the price of transit has gotten cheap. For example, the most important peering fabric in the US is at Equinix Ashburn. Last quote I saw for peering ports was $1,500 for 100Mbps and $3,000 for 1Gbps. Forgetting all the costs associated with getting into Ashburn, you would need 100Mbps of peer traffic just to get the cost of the peer traffic down to $15 per meg, which is higher than most carriers will sell you a 100Mbps of transit at Ashburn. In other words, unless you are doing 100s of megs of peering traffic, transit is cheaper. -Matt On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: With all the talk of Netflix and other bandwidth-intensive streaming applications that are on the horizon, has anyone here looked into peering with any of the major CDNs to reduce transit costs? I seem to remember hearing that Akamai would colo a box within an ISP's network at no cost to the ISP if there was enough (bandwidth) demand. Anyone know if Limelight will do something similar? I'm guessing that most of us are not big enough for this to be financially feasible, but for those who are, it seems that there could be some major savings. My 100% business customer base tends to use a lot of bandwidth from Youtube and streaming radio. A direct connection to Limelight would cut down on transit costs big time. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
Microsoft is pretty open to peering. Additionally, they participate in Any2Easy (http://www.crgwest.com/Any2Exchange/any2easy.html), which is a multi-lateral peering service at CRG West facilities. If you don't have a lot of traffic multi-lateral peering is a must as it will get you connected to more networks than you could normally qualify for. Again, I think you'll find that unless you are doing 100s of megs peering is not economical. Transit is really cheap now. -Matt On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Matt does have a little bigger network than a lot of us. ;-) https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=724 How'd you get the Microsoft peer and what all sits on that? I know their XBox downloads are on Limelight, but perhaps their others are on their own AS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] CDN peering We peer with every major content network. Most have open peering policies that require little to get a peering relationship. Some require specific amounts of traffic and/or multiple geographically diverse connections. Before you get your hopes up though I will warn you that connecting to peering fabrics has gotten expensive, while the price of transit has gotten cheap. For example, the most important peering fabric in the US is at Equinix Ashburn. Last quote I saw for peering ports was $1,500 for 100Mbps and $3,000 for 1Gbps. Forgetting all the costs associated with getting into Ashburn, you would need 100Mbps of peer traffic just to get the cost of the peer traffic down to $15 per meg, which is higher than most carriers will sell you a 100Mbps of transit at Ashburn. In other words, unless you are doing 100s of megs of peering traffic, transit is cheaper. -Matt On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: With all the talk of Netflix and other bandwidth-intensive streaming applications that are on the horizon, has anyone here looked into peering with any of the major CDNs to reduce transit costs? I seem to remember hearing that Akamai would colo a box within an ISP's network at no cost to the ISP if there was enough (bandwidth) demand. Anyone know if Limelight will do something similar? I'm guessing that most of us are not big enough for this to be financially feasible, but for those who are, it seems that there could be some major savings. My 100% business customer base tends to use a lot of bandwidth from Youtube and streaming radio. A direct connection to Limelight would cut down on transit costs big time. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
*nods* I've looked at the Any2 Exchange here in Chicago. Unfortunately they only have like 3 participants. Despite their lower participant numbers, I'm looking to join non-Equinix exchanges here in Chicago (Any2 and ChicagoIX). The place I get colo, etc. from in 350 E. Cermak offers a free 100 meg connection to ChicagoIX if you're a colo customer and most of the members are on their route server. Just for general knowledge, how do some of the others relate on price compared to Equinix (assuming cheaper) and Any2 (assuming around the same)? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] CDN peering Microsoft is pretty open to peering. Additionally, they participate in Any2Easy (http://www.crgwest.com/Any2Exchange/any2easy.html), which is a multi-lateral peering service at CRG West facilities. If you don't have a lot of traffic multi-lateral peering is a must as it will get you connected to more networks than you could normally qualify for. Again, I think you'll find that unless you are doing 100s of megs peering is not economical. Transit is really cheap now. -Matt On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Matt does have a little bigger network than a lot of us. ;-) https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=724 How'd you get the Microsoft peer and what all sits on that? I know their XBox downloads are on Limelight, but perhaps their others are on their own AS. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] CDN peering We peer with every major content network. Most have open peering policies that require little to get a peering relationship. Some require specific amounts of traffic and/or multiple geographically diverse connections. Before you get your hopes up though I will warn you that connecting to peering fabrics has gotten expensive, while the price of transit has gotten cheap. For example, the most important peering fabric in the US is at Equinix Ashburn. Last quote I saw for peering ports was $1,500 for 100Mbps and $3,000 for 1Gbps. Forgetting all the costs associated with getting into Ashburn, you would need 100Mbps of peer traffic just to get the cost of the peer traffic down to $15 per meg, which is higher than most carriers will sell you a 100Mbps of transit at Ashburn. In other words, unless you are doing 100s of megs of peering traffic, transit is cheaper. -Matt On Dec 8, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: With all the talk of Netflix and other bandwidth-intensive streaming applications that are on the horizon, has anyone here looked into peering with any of the major CDNs to reduce transit costs? I seem to remember hearing that Akamai would colo a box within an ISP's network at no cost to the ISP if there was enough (bandwidth) demand. Anyone know if Limelight will do something similar? I'm guessing that most of us are not big enough for this to be financially feasible, but for those who are, it seems that there could be some major savings. My 100% business customer base tends to use a lot of bandwidth from Youtube and streaming radio. A direct connection to Limelight would cut down on transit costs big time. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] CDN peering
On Dec 8, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: *nods* I've looked at the Any2 Exchange here in Chicago. Unfortunately they only have like 3 participants. Despite their lower participant numbers, I'm looking to join non- Equinix exchanges here in Chicago (Any2 and ChicagoIX). We are members of Any2 in DC, which has very few members and we only see about 100Kbps of traffic. I wouldn't waste your time. The place I get colo, etc. from in 350 E. Cermak offers a free 100 meg connection to ChicagoIX if you're a colo customer and most of the members are on their route server. Just for general knowledge, how do some of the others relate on price compared to Equinix (assuming cheaper) and Any2 (assuming around the same)? Any2 is the best deal around, but only on the west coast is there any traffic. Big Apple, Nap of the Americas, and Seattle are cheap and useful. Not that we are members of any of them. We will be probably join some additional exchanges in other markets when we have customers there. We have other ISPs buying transit and voice from us that put us in markets without a wireless footprint. Chicago is on our radar, but thus far none of the ISPs we have talked to have pulled the trigger. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
