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From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:11 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
There's the confusion. 2 standards. One with 4 pair and one with 2
pair.
Gotta love standards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
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From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:07 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Yes... although be careful what surge suppressors you use :-)
Dragonwave also uses GigE with PoE for instance
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Don't think so, pretty confident gigabit is 2 pair still. Could be wrong...
On 11/18/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except
List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Just think about it, Cat5 is 4 pair. You need 2 pair for transmit and
receive. 4 conductors total. We sometimes use one of the other pair for
PoE and the other pair is lost. Cat5 is twisted pair, so is phone wire.
Twisted
, November 17, 2009 11:58 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2 pair. Transmit and receive.
Can
easily do 100mbps. You could even get it to do gigabit with not much
effort. No PoE though, no pair
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 11:58 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Phone line is twisted pair and normally 2
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Don't think so, pretty confident gigabit is 2 pair still. Could be
wrong...
On 11/18/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
I believe 100 megs requires 2 pair and Gig requires all 4 pair in
addition
to certain quality
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
The number of twists per inch makes a difference as well.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_Ethernet#1000BASE-T
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references
to the standard being 10Mbps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable
Any examples?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net
: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except
references
to the standard being 10Mbps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable
Any examples?
On Tue, Nov 17
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps.
My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+
on cat 3? Not according to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable or my experience. If such an
animal exists, I could use
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references
, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except
references
to the standard being 10Mbps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable
Any examples?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin
18, 2009 3:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Think about it. How many DSL connections have you encountered that
had a long run of satin phone cord from a block to the DSL modem? I
used to have a DSL connection running on some of the UGLIEST station
cable
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
100Mbps on cat 3? Really?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:
We currently run a Cat5
: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:01 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Don't think so, pretty confident gigabit is 2 pair still. Could be wrong...
On 11/18/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
I believe 100 megs requires 2 pair and Gig requires all 4 pair
Of course we love standards, that's why there's so many!!!
Jerry
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except
references
to the standard being 10Mbps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable
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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:04 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Just think about it, Cat5 is 4 pair. You need 2 pair for transmit and
receive. 4 conductors total. We
: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
VDSL equipment can get up to the 70Mbps range or so...
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:07
...@aircloud.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:51 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
There was a technology that used all 4 pairs. It was a proprietary
solution that put Video on one set and data on the other. Broadxxx or
something like
: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:
The conductors on phone wire are thicker giving more surface area for the
electrons to play on, more than the thin Cat5.
Huh
, 2009 1:00 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Standard Old School residential phone wire. Heavy gauge 2 pair. Red,
black, yellow, green. At least around here, Ohio, the Telco installed some
pretty stiff wire.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun
rgunder...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:06:37
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps.
My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment that will do 100Mbps+
on cat 3? Not according to this:
http
desktops came with
them. I
never saw them used though.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Those old phone line units could only do 1Mbps.
My question was: Can anyone show me reliable equipment
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except
references
to the standard being 10Mbps:
http
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 3:58 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Think about it. How many DSL connections have you encountered that
had a long run
.
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Robert West
robert.w...@just
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
If I read the specs correctly, it only does 10Mbps over cat3. To get the
higher speeds you need cat 5 or better. -RickG
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com
...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Is that both directions? Maybe thats the answer to Forbes question? -RickG
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:26 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote:
VDSL equipment
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Yep... I wouldn't use this specific product in a house... but it's the only
VDSL equipment I have firsthand experience with.
http://tinyurl.com/yefhy2q
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
-Original Message
, November 18, 2009 11:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
If you really get stuck, the Netgear PowerLine thingy's actually work.
Otherwise NetSys Ethernet repeaters will do 25Mbps.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun
There's the confusion. 2 standards. One with 4 pair and one with 2 pair.
Gotta love standards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_Ethernet#1000BASE-T
The Motorola PTP600 has a GigE port and POE. So will POE still work with GigE?
Matt
Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
There's the confusion. 2 standards. One with 4 pair and one with 2
pair.
Gotta love standards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabit_Ethernet#1000BASE-T
The Motorola PTP600 has
I do this when the customer has a smart closet
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCZzpHome.jsp?minisite=10027respid=22372
It works great. Until we get Gig-E wireless... then boy oh boy, I
might have to do some re-wiring!
ryan
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Forbes Mercy
You may not have to rewire...depends a lot on the distance of the link,
but Cat 3 will work.
Ryan Spott wrote:
I do this when the customer has a "smart closet"
http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCZzpHome.jsp?minisite=10027respid=22372
It works great. Until we get Gig-E wireless... then boy
Cat3 == phone line
phone line != Cat3
Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories.
A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by
electricians, homeowners, etc...
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM -0800, Forbes Mercy wrote:
We currently run a Cat5
: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Cat3 == phone line
phone line != Cat3
Phone wiring doesn't even have to make the scale of categories.
A lot of the phone wiring is put in daisy chained with wire nuts, by
electricians, homeowners, etc...
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 01:12:10PM -0800, Forbes Mercy
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Old cat3 has a myriad of stubs...it's awful. You'll never figure out
what's happening.
. . . J o n a t h a n
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent
Enough pairs for data and power?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:12 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
100Mbps on cat 3? Really?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:
We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house.
My question is since you can get 100MB through a Cat3 which is the same
as a phone line why can't we run the
With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire!
-Kevin
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
100Mbps on cat 3? Really?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:
We currently run a Cat5 into the
Cat3 is only 3 pair is it not?
On 11/17/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
Enough pairs for data and power?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Forbes Mercy
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references
to the standard being 10Mbps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable
Any examples?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote:
With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
That would be great! But, I cant find anything on the net except references
to the standard being 10Mbps: http
Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
100Mbps on cat 3? Really?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:
We currently run a Cat5 into the wall then put a jack into the house.
My
Guys,
The Category rating has to do with the number of twists per inch.
The more twists the more the noise cancels out.
Noise screws up Data. Noise usually comes from AC power somewhere.
The lower the cat number the more screwed up your Data will be.
Period.
Robert West wrote:
Phone line is
Of Kevin Neal
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
With the right equipment I've heard of gigabit over rusted old barbwire!
-Kevin
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:32 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
100Mbps on cat 3? Really
Of Gary Garrett
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cat3 instead of Cat5
Guys,
The Category rating has to do with the number of twists per inch.
The more twists the more the noise cancels out.
Noise screws up Data. Noise usually comes from AC power
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