Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wu
My iphone has a SIP client that can do this

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Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still 
make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service?

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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Ron Harden
Paragon Wireless makes a great dual-mode phone that works flawlessly
GSM/Wi-Fi VoIP (my boss has been using one for over a year).  About $400
retail, and $250 bulk.  We considered introducing the phone, but chose not
to.  It's a more complex sale and marketing challenge, coupled with
additional customer service requirements.  Also a significant inventory
carrying cost if we were to  wholesale the product.

Ron

 
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My iphone has a SIP client that can do this

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Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still 
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Didn't you see my post?  That should work independent of what the carrier 
does.


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From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
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To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

 cell over wifi.

 Your right T mobile is not an option.

 It's ATT.

 You would think the cell carriers would have a combo sip cell phone that
 when their service is not in range, the phone could connect to a wifi ap
 and connect back to the cell companies service via sip.

 Thats what I'm looking for. I noticed some phones do this but with
 skype, android I think, just was hoping there was news I hadn't heard
 that says they have such a phone.



 e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the 
 tmobile phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and 
 can take advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not 
 have any or with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my 
 house there is not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much 
 unless you like to stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do 
 some magic tricks at the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone 
 from T-Mobile I have now perfect coverage at home.

 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

 -Original Message-
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net

 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?


 Josh Luthman wrote:
 If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your
 system.  SIP is so universal...



 Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years
 old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of
 the phone ;(

 A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in
 range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi.
 Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells,
 but not cell over voip.

 Which is why I asked here.

 So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well?




 
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Aaron D. Osgood
There are several - the calls completed over WiFi are not, however,
Cellular calls - they are VOIP calls

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Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still 
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Pat O'Connor
Interesting article in regards to your topic. 

http://www.voipplanet.com/trends/article.php/3820346


I'm out here in the sticks with limited cell coverage in a lot of areas 
and this looks like a promising line of business.


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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles
It does exist. On t-mobile. 

Att offers inferior service. Call them and ask for the same features as 
t-mobile. 

 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net

Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:01:19 
To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?


cell over wifi.

Your right T mobile is not an option.

It's ATT.

You would think the cell carriers would have a combo sip cell phone that 
when their service is not in range, the phone could connect to a wifi ap 
and connect back to the cell companies service via sip.

Thats what I'm looking for. I noticed some phones do this but with 
skype, android I think, just was hoping there was news I hadn't heard 
that says they have such a phone.



e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile 
 phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take 
 advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or 
 with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is 
 not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to 
 stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at 
 the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now 
 perfect coverage at home.  
 
 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
 -Original Message-
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 
 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
 
 
 Josh Luthman wrote:
 If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your
 system.  SIP is so universal...

   
 
 Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years 
 old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of 
 the phone ;(
 
 A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in 
 range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi.
 Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, 
 but not cell over voip.
 
 Which is why I asked here.
 
 So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Ryan Ghering
Most of the HTC mobile line does this. I have a 8125 and a 8525 that work
very well..


Ryan

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 Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wyble
T-mobile cell phones work over wifi. 1 number.

I use it all the time.

George Rogato wrote:
 Josh Luthman wrote:
 If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your
 system.  SIP is so universal...

   
 
 Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years 
 old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of 
 the phone ;(
 
 A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in 
 range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi.
 Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, 
 but not cell over voip.
 
 Which is why I asked here.
 
 So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well?
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wyble
Blackberry Curve and Pearl on t-mobile. Works like a champ. Use it all 
the time, along with heavy torrenting and other use.

George Rogato wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wyble
http://www.villagetelco.org/

Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 I bought my E71 unlocked and it is an awesome phone.   It even went 
 through a complete washer/dryer cycle with my laundry and came out just 
 fine (after it dried out for a few hours).
 
 I have mine setup with my office Asterisk server so that it will try my 
 SIP extension first, then the cell phone number.   It's not perfect, but 
 it works pretty well.   Biggest weakness is the client on the Nokia 
 doesn't always link up to wifi and register the phone automatically.   
 If I could get that sorted out I would be really happy.
 
 If there were more inexpensive gsm/sip phones available, I think we 
 could potentially have a product competitive with the cellcos.It 
 works like this:
 
 1)  Get a GSM/SIP capable cell phone
 2)  Put in a prepaid GSM card from whatever provider
 3)  Configure the SIP client to work with an Asterisk or other VOIP server.
 4)  Port the customer's number to the Asterisk box
 5)  Set up Asterisk so that it tries the SIP connection first, then goes 
 to the prepaid number if SIP doesn't answer
 6)  Setup the phone so that it goes out through SIP if available, and 
 GSM if not available.
 7)  e911 goes through the cell phone (no e911 to worry about!!!)
 8)  Optimize VOIP traffic so that it runs well on your network, to your 
 VOIP server.
 
 In theory, this seems like it would work really well.   In my area, cell 
 coverage sucks, so customers would be using their wifi access points as 
 little cell-phone repeaters, but the traffic would actually be on VOIP, 
 rather than the cell carrier.   Since the cell component would be a 
 pre-paid card, the customer could just buy more prepaid cards when they 
 run down.   And 911 is not the VOIP carrier's responsibility - it would 
 be the cell carrier's responsibility.Selling prepaid cards or 
 recharging them could also be a potential revenue stream.
 
 Only catch - there aren't any cheap phones that will do this.   At least 
 none that I have seen.My Nokia comes VERY close, but it was a $450 
 phone.   We would need to have a $150 phone to make something like this 
 work.   Something like this would take the normal cell phone users bill 
 down by 50% or more each month, even compared to the plans that they are 
 offering now.  
 
 Anyone else out there doing something like this?
 
 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com
 
 
 Josh Luthman wrote:
 Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one)

 You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network

 The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your
 situation may be different...

 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote:

   
 Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
 
 I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP
 client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for
   
 several
 
 years.  The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms
 of Wi-Fi sensitivity.  I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and
 Brazil and Mexico for free US calling.  It works very well and I leave it
 on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk
 extension.  There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too.

 . . . J o n a t h a n


   
 So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip?
 Is this ATT?

 Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that
 phone and it just works?

 My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be
 something I want.

 George





 
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
Nokia SIP is built-in in most of their phones and easy to configure as an
Asterisk SIP extension...any smartphone version I've had for several
years, at least.  (Granted...the e61 and e61i demanded stronger signal
strength requirements for Wi-Fi but newer versions are quite hot).
. . . J o n a t h a n 

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Blackberry Curve and Pearl on t-mobile. Works like a champ. Use it all the
time, along with heavy torrenting and other use.

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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread Kevin Suitor
Blackberry Flip or Bold using UMA service (if enabled by operator).

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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Using the Wifi service to connect to your carrier?  Only 1 I know of -
Cincinnati Bell (Fusion service).

You can use the Blackberries with Wifi (8820 and Bold are GSM ones) and
install Nimbuzz.

The Nokia e85 or n95 has a nice SIP client.

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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread Rick Kunze
The iPhone will do data via wifi.  And I'm pretty sure I recall running 
into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip.  I think they were the 
HP smart phones.

Rk

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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Realize that most of this is carrier dependent, I believe...

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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote:

 The iPhone will do data via wifi.  And I'm pretty sure I recall running
 into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip.  I think they were the
 HP smart phones.

 Rk

 On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote:
  Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still
  make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread John.bates
Iphone+skype = VOIP

Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote:

 The iPhone will do data via wifi.  And I'm pretty sure I recall  
 running
 into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip.  I think they were  
 the
 HP smart phones.

 Rk

 On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote:
 Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still
 make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell  
 service?

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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread Jonathan Schmidt
I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP
client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several
years.  The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms
of Wi-Fi sensitivity.  I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and
Brazil and Mexico for free US calling.  It works very well and I leave it
on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk
extension.  There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too.

. . . J o n a t h a n

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Behalf Of John.bates
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:49 PM
To: rku...@colusanet.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

Iphone+skype = VOIP

Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Rick Kunze rku...@colusanet.com wrote:

 The iPhone will do data via wifi.  And I'm pretty sure I recall 
 running into some that will do phone calls via wifi-voip.  I think 
 they were the HP smart phones.

 Rk

 On 5/26/2009 3:12 PM, George Rogato wrote:
 Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still 
 make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell 
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 Thanks




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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread George Rogato
Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
 I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP
 client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several
 years.  The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms
 of Wi-Fi sensitivity.  I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and
 Brazil and Mexico for free US calling.  It works very well and I leave it
 on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk
 extension.  There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too.

 . . . J o n a t h a n

   
So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip?
Is this ATT?

Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that 
phone and it just works?

My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be 
something I want.

George





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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread Josh Luthman
Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one)

You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network

The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your
situation may be different...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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improbable, must be the truth.
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote:

 Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
  I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP
  client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for
 several
  years.  The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms
  of Wi-Fi sensitivity.  I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and
  Brazil and Mexico for free US calling.  It works very well and I leave it
  on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk
  extension.  There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too.
 
  . . . J o n a t h a n
 
 
 So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip?
 Is this ATT?

 Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that
 phone and it just works?

 My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be
 something I want.

 George





 
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread George Rogato
Josh Luthman wrote:
 If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your
 system.  SIP is so universal...

   

Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years 
old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of 
the phone ;(

A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in 
range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi.
Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, 
but not cell over voip.

Which is why I asked here.

So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well?





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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I bought my E71 unlocked and it is an awesome phone.   It even went 
through a complete washer/dryer cycle with my laundry and came out just 
fine (after it dried out for a few hours).

I have mine setup with my office Asterisk server so that it will try my 
SIP extension first, then the cell phone number.   It's not perfect, but 
it works pretty well.   Biggest weakness is the client on the Nokia 
doesn't always link up to wifi and register the phone automatically.   
If I could get that sorted out I would be really happy.

If there were more inexpensive gsm/sip phones available, I think we 
could potentially have a product competitive with the cellcos.It 
works like this:

1)  Get a GSM/SIP capable cell phone
2)  Put in a prepaid GSM card from whatever provider
3)  Configure the SIP client to work with an Asterisk or other VOIP server.
4)  Port the customer's number to the Asterisk box
5)  Set up Asterisk so that it tries the SIP connection first, then goes 
to the prepaid number if SIP doesn't answer
6)  Setup the phone so that it goes out through SIP if available, and 
GSM if not available.
7)  e911 goes through the cell phone (no e911 to worry about!!!)
8)  Optimize VOIP traffic so that it runs well on your network, to your 
VOIP server.

In theory, this seems like it would work really well.   In my area, cell 
coverage sucks, so customers would be using their wifi access points as 
little cell-phone repeaters, but the traffic would actually be on VOIP, 
rather than the cell carrier.   Since the cell component would be a 
pre-paid card, the customer could just buy more prepaid cards when they 
run down.   And 911 is not the VOIP carrier's responsibility - it would 
be the cell carrier's responsibility.Selling prepaid cards or 
recharging them could also be a potential revenue stream.

Only catch - there aren't any cheap phones that will do this.   At least 
none that I have seen.My Nokia comes VERY close, but it was a $450 
phone.   We would need to have a $150 phone to make something like this 
work.   Something like this would take the normal cell phone users bill 
down by 50% or more each month, even compared to the plans that they are 
offering now.  

Anyone else out there doing something like this?

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Josh Luthman wrote:
 Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one)

 You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network

 The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your
 situation may be different...

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote:

   
 Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
 
 I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP
 client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for
   
 several
 
 years.  The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms
 of Wi-Fi sensitivity.  I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and
 Brazil and Mexico for free US calling.  It works very well and I leave it
 on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk
 extension.  There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too.

 . . . J o n a t h a n


   
 So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip?
 Is this ATT?

 Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that
 phone and it just works?

 My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be
 something I want.

 George





 
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread John Valenti

On May 26, 2009, at 7:28 PM, George Rogato wrote:


 So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as  
 well?


George, look into T-Mobile's Hotspot at Home service. It came out  
nationwide summer 2007.  It will use Wifi, and then smoothly switch to  
a t-mobile tower if necessary. I think it uses the UMA technology  
someone else mentioned.

I had one for about a year and a half, and it generally worked fine.

PS - T-Mobile would supply a WiFi access point that supported QOS, but  
it worked with most APs.  Hmmm, we have a commuter bus in town that  
runs to the Detroit airport, they have WiFI on the bus. Once I was on  
the sidewalk next to the bus and made a phone call over their wifi.



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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread Mike Hammett
Many.  Look at uMobility or Davitas.  Software solutions for existing 
phones.

Windows Mobile, Symbian, iPhone, and Black Berries are supported, though 
only a subset of that.


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Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

 Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread Mike Hammett
Another item to look into is femtocells.


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

 Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still
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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread eje
Love my Blackberry Curve. With T-mobile they can automatically do UMA. At my 
house all cell carriers have crappy signal but with UMA I have no problems with 
my Curve 8900. When we where. In Europe last summer we got international 
dataplan so we could do all emails we wanted and paid a small fee per mb of 
regular (none e-mail) traffic. If I needed to place a phone call just made sure 
I was on a wifi connection and turned off my cell signal for safety and made 
all the calls I needed just like I was at home (no extra charges just like I 
was in the states). Skype service with phone calling was announced a while back 
for Blackberries. Found a few sip clients but they where all tied to specific 
sip carriers service would be nice with a open sip client so it could be tied 
directly into our asterisk box. 

/Eje
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Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still 
make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service?

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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread eje
Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile 
phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take 
advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or 
with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is not 
a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to stand in 
one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at the same 
times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now perfect 
coverage at home.  

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net

Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?


Josh Luthman wrote:
 If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your
 system.  SIP is so universal...

   

Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years 
old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of 
the phone ;(

A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in 
range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi.
Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, 
but not cell over voip.

Which is why I asked here.

So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well?





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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-26 Thread George Rogato
cell over wifi.

Your right T mobile is not an option.

It's ATT.

You would think the cell carriers would have a combo sip cell phone that 
when their service is not in range, the phone could connect to a wifi ap 
and connect back to the cell companies service via sip.

Thats what I'm looking for. I noticed some phones do this but with 
skype, android I think, just was hoping there was news I hadn't heard 
that says they have such a phone.



e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
 Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile 
 phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take 
 advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or 
 with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is 
 not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to 
 stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at 
 the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now 
 perfect coverage at home.  
 
 /Eje
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
 -Original Message-
 From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net
 
 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 
 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
 
 
 Josh Luthman wrote:
 If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your
 system.  SIP is so universal...

   
 
 Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years 
 old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of 
 the phone ;(
 
 A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in 
 range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi.
 Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, 
 but not cell over voip.
 
 Which is why I asked here.
 
 So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well?
 
 
 
 
 
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