Re: [WISPA] Cogent Sales Contact
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Re: [WISPA] Cogent Sales Contact
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Re: [WISPA] Cogent Sales Contact
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Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
I don't recommend anyone use a sole provider. ;-) BTW: It would be transport provider. Transport takes you from Point A to Point B. Transit is access to the public Internet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gerard Dupont III ger...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 1:30:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? Jim, IPv6 is an interesting topic with Cogent. We're receiving 11k routes from HE, Level3, and TWTC, but only ~8800 from Cogent. Cogent is not providing full routes on IPv6 because they do not peer with HE. Llast time I asked they have no plans of doing anything about it. I really wouldn't recommend anyone use Cogent as their sole provider. Cogent only has a single route to/from many of their pops. For example almost a month ago there was almost a week long outage in the New Orleans market when their transit provider had a cut. Looking at their network map shows multiple routes out of New Orleans though. Overall I've been very pleased with the performance of their network. Their support has been very knowledgeable and maintenance requests (ie prefix updates) have been handled in less than an hour. Gerard On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: We are BGP peered with Cogent and HE on IPv6. I just noticed almost 19K IPv6 routes now. That table is growing pretty fast. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? Great network. Great support. Much better than they were 5 years ago. As with any other provider they do have issues from time to time. It goes without saying get 2 upstreams and do BGP. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter http://www.thebrotherswisp.com -Original Message- From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
Issues I have had with Cogent: - Super inconsistent pricing. There pricing will fluctuate wildly depending where they are there sales cycle. Meaning if you need another gig added its hard to predict what pricing you will be paying - Performance. I would say that most of what people say about Cogent is true. IMO performance is not great and you would be better off trying to use someone like Hurricane Electric who is often competitive with them pricing (not in as many locations tho) and from my experience more stable and better performing (obv still not as good as a real T1 like level3). On Sep 24, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net wrote: Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
Cheap, just not the cheapest. ;-) There are others less expensive, such as Hurricane Electric. HE doesn't have nearly the same coverage, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:04:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? It is cheap if they have presence! On Sep 24, 2012 5:55 PM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: Solid company ... Network very rarely has any blips. Not the cheapest when it comes to a gig though. On Sep 24, 2012 4:48 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I have used them in the past and they were fantastic! I don't think I ever had downtime from them and the price was one of the best I found. I connected to them in St. Louis for what it's worth -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
Never really had a problem with them. (Or any downtime that wasn't maintenance related..) As others said, Tier 1 tech support has a clue. And can actually complete BGP functions. Email based support is fast (Like updating prefix filters). You get the speeds to pay for. The one thing they do however is de-prioritise ICMP on their routers. So traceroutes look poor to the untrained eye. Someone will say, I trace to google and as soon as it hits cogent the ping goes up to 200ms with packet loss! I point out that the end hop is fine and that's just how cogent works. Oh, And if your circuit is under Gigabit, and your running BGP you have to do this whole A peer B peer type setup with multihop BGP. Which is a bit annoying. But Gig and above you are interfaced right into their main router for that location and hold a session with your neighbor. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
I've had them for over 3 years now and had zero downtime on their side. If I have a fiber issue and drop a few packets, they are calling my cell letting me know there is packet loss:-) We are also connected in one of the St Louis data centers. Jim -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? I have used them in the past and they were fantastic! I don't think I ever had downtime from them and the price was one of the best I found. I connected to them in St. Louis for what it's worth -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
We are BGP peered with Cogent and HE on IPv6. I just noticed almost 19K IPv6 routes now. That table is growing pretty fast. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? Great network. Great support. Much better than they were 5 years ago. As with any other provider they do have issues from time to time. It goes without saying get 2 upstreams and do BGP. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter http://www.thebrotherswisp.com -Original Message- From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
Jim, IPv6 is an interesting topic with Cogent. We're receiving 11k routes from HE, Level3, and TWTC, but only ~8800 from Cogent. Cogent is not providing full routes on IPv6 because they do not peer with HE. Llast time I asked they have no plans of doing anything about it. I really wouldn't recommend anyone use Cogent as their sole provider. Cogent only has a single route to/from many of their pops. For example almost a month ago there was almost a week long outage in the New Orleans market when their transit provider had a cut. Looking at their network map shows multiple routes out of New Orleans though. Overall I've been very pleased with the performance of their network. Their support has been very knowledgeable and maintenance requests (ie prefix updates) have been handled in less than an hour. Gerard On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: We are BGP peered with Cogent and HE on IPv6. I just noticed almost 19K IPv6 routes now. That table is growing pretty fast. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? Great network. Great support. Much better than they were 5 years ago. As with any other provider they do have issues from time to time. It goes without saying get 2 upstreams and do BGP. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter http://www.thebrotherswisp.com -Original Message- From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
Thanks all. Glad feedback is almost all positive. Not glad about that New Orleans experience. On 9/25/2012 2:30 PM, Gerard Dupont III wrote: Jim, IPv6 is an interesting topic with Cogent. We're receiving 11k routes from HE, Level3, and TWTC, but only ~8800 from Cogent. Cogent is not providing full routes on IPv6 because they do not peer with HE. Llast time I asked they have no plans of doing anything about it. I really wouldn't recommend anyone use Cogent as their sole provider. Cogent only has a single route to/from many of their pops. For example almost a month ago there was almost a week long outage in the New Orleans market when their transit provider had a cut. Looking at their network map shows multiple routes out of New Orleans though. Overall I've been very pleased with the performance of their network. Their support has been very knowledgeable and maintenance requests (ie prefix updates) have been handled in less than an hour. Gerard On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: We are BGP peered with Cogent and HE on IPv6. I just noticed almost 19K IPv6 routes now. That table is growing pretty fast. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? Great network. Great support. Much better than they were 5 years ago. As with any other provider they do have issues from time to time. It goes without saying get 2 upstreams and do BGP. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter http://www.thebrotherswisp.com -Original Message- From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
You find me a provider that has 100% uptime over 5 years and I'll show you someone who doesn't know the entire story. There's always going to be an accident or mistake. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net wrote: Thanks all. Glad feedback is almost all positive. Not glad about that New Orleans experience. On 9/25/2012 2:30 PM, Gerard Dupont III wrote: Jim, IPv6 is an interesting topic with Cogent. We're receiving 11k routes from HE, Level3, and TWTC, but only ~8800 from Cogent. Cogent is not providing full routes on IPv6 because they do not peer with HE. Llast time I asked they have no plans of doing anything about it. I really wouldn't recommend anyone use Cogent as their sole provider. Cogent only has a single route to/from many of their pops. For example almost a month ago there was almost a week long outage in the New Orleans market when their transit provider had a cut. Looking at their network map shows multiple routes out of New Orleans though. Overall I've been very pleased with the performance of their network. Their support has been very knowledgeable and maintenance requests (ie prefix updates) have been handled in less than an hour. Gerard On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote: We are BGP peered with Cogent and HE on IPv6. I just noticed almost 19K IPv6 routes now. That table is growing pretty fast. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? Great network. Great support. Much better than they were 5 years ago. As with any other provider they do have issues from time to time. It goes without saying get 2 upstreams and do BGP. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter http://www.thebrotherswisp.com -Original Message- From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
I have used them in the past and they were fantastic! I don't think I ever had downtime from them and the price was one of the best I found. I connected to them in St. Louis for what it's worth -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
It is cheap if they have presence! On Sep 24, 2012 5:55 PM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com wrote: Solid company ... Network very rarely has any blips. Not the cheapest when it comes to a gig though. On Sep 24, 2012 4:48 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I have used them in the past and they were fantastic! I don't think I ever had downtime from them and the price was one of the best I found. I connected to them in St. Louis for what it's worth -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
Love them~ Victoria Proffer President/CEO 314-974-5600 St. Louis Broadband, LLC www. StLouisBroadband.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
No problems and their 1st level tech support actually have a clue about BGP. On 09/24/2012 06:46 PM, Victoria Proffer wrote: Love them~ Victoria Proffer President/CEO 314-974-5600 St. Louis Broadband, LLC www. StLouisBroadband.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
We have 1gig pipe connecting from 900 Walnut in STL. No problems, we get the speed and support is great. Engineer who knew how to troubleshoot answered the phone when I called the 800 number for support. Problem was with transport provider, but their support is so good, I actually hoped it was a cogent problem! Adam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:47 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent? No problems and their 1st level tech support actually have a clue about BGP. On 09/24/2012 06:46 PM, Victoria Proffer wrote: Love them~ Victoria Proffer President/CEO 314-974-5600 St. Louis Broadband, LLC www. StLouisBroadband.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
That statement alone sys a lot. We have a client with an MPLS network at Megapath- they don't do BGP. :-( Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: No problems and their 1st level tech support actually have a clue about BGP. On 09/24/2012 06:46 PM, Victoria Proffer wrote: Love them~ Victoria Proffer President/CEO 314-974-5600 St. Louis Broadband, LLC www. StLouisBroadband.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Greene Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent?
Great network. Great support. Much better than they were 5 years ago. As with any other provider they do have issues from time to time. It goes without saying get 2 upstreams and do BGP. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter http://www.thebrotherswisp.com -Original Message- From: Adam Greene maill...@webjogger.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Monday, September 24, 2012 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Cogent? Hi all, Cogent approached us recently, trying to sell us a 100M/100M Internet pipe. Anyone using them for upstream? Has your experience been generally positive or negative? Thanks, Adam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent vs. Hurricane
I'd vote: Hurricane... Because... 1) Hurricane is better/easier to work with for the WISP provider, from the accounting/management side. (Customers probably wont be able to tell the difference) 2) Hurricaine is better prepared for the future with IPv6. 3) Cogent is more likely to compete against you to obtain your clients. The reasoning here is that Hurricaine is primarilly just in the data center. Cogent goes out to the city buildings. And you end up providing your upstream confidential info about your customers, such as usage per IP, and BGP or IP info, etc. What I will say about Cogent is... their tech support is awesome at any hour of the night. Its the only reason we still use them. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com To: WUG us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] Cogent vs. Hurricane Looking at a GigE to a datacenter with both Cogent and Hurricane. Anybody using them? Which is better for gamers etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent vs. Hurricane
Have 2 data centers with GIGE handoffs of cogent. No complaints from gamers or VOIP users. Cogent has really stepped up their game in the past year or so. I have had a few servers on a Cogent onNet building in Chicago for over 5 years now. Cogent did really oversell their network. Plus they were a haven for IRC, spammers, and other such bandwidth hogs. The infrastructure could not keep up with the demand. Are they as good as a Real Tier1? Not really, but for sub $3 a meg in many locations they are worth it. Especially in the days of netflix and and such. Support is pretty good. I have known many times they call the customer if their monitoring notices something. Many places open up a ticket. Well if e-mail is behind that downed circuit it might be awhile before you get it. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support On 5/9/11 12:05 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at a GigE to a datacenter with both Cogent and Hurricane. Anybody using them? Which is better for gamers etc? -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Cheapest depends on location. I have seen Cogent in the sub $1 per meg in places. I have seen Hurricane Electric meet or beat cogent pricing in other markets. I have seen level3 beat cogent pricing in certain markets. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:54:03 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis So who is the cheapest these days? Cogent is $600/mth for 100/100. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com http://www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com http://www.wifimidwest.com On 9/10/2010 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I believe i saw an article a few months ago that said Cogent was now settlement free. Not sure how accurate that was, though. The thing is, though, Cogent isn't even the cheapest you can get in major metros anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 11:56 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Cogent is the Family Dollar/Dollar General/$1 store of bandwidth providers. It¹s cheap, they have a decent network and have quite a number of servers on Cogent bandwidth. This means a good deal of web traffic is headed toward cogent without much return. The Big players tolerate this because the last time they tried de-peering it took out half the internet (not really but caused some waves). I remember this because I had 400 web-sites on some cogent servers. All of a sudden a good majority of my customers at the time could not get to their own web-sites. It¹s a pretty decent business plan actually. Offer cheap bandwidth for servers, get a bunch of sites hosted on that bandwidth, and the Internet finds you. From that point on the Tier 1 and others are almost forced to peer with you. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com Reply-To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:01:48 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Exactly, People confuse the two all the time. But yeah, I'm talking TW Telecom, And yes, Fiber :D Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Ah, TW Telecom is a completely different company. No more integrated than you and I. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:06 PM, RickG wrote: TW Cable Business Class On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: TW Telecom or TW Cable? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:09 PM, RickG wrote: Funny thing happened after I upgraded from TW copper to fiber - I get an engineer when I call support now. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
I believe WISPerISP (or something like that) has a Cogent pipe (in addition to others) out of St. Louis. Might want to hit them up to ask. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:07 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Anyone peer with Cogent in St Louis? Goods? Bads? Have heard mostly positive but real-world feedback would be great. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Nothing wrong with cogent .. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis I believe WISPerISP (or something like that) has a Cogent pipe (in addition to others) out of St. Louis. Might want to hit them up to ask. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:07 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Anyone peer with Cogent in St Louis? Goods? Bads? Have heard mostly positive but real-world feedback would be great. Thanks! -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Agree for the most part, but as of recently we've been dealing with the latency through their network over in the New England region...frustratingly, Cogent is not owning up to it at the moment, but I'm guessing with their low Mbps per pricing and the economy being in the dumps, they've probably have done well in selling onto their network which has now become oversubscribe...well at least in the Boston-NYC corridor as other parts of their network seem fine. Bret On 09/10/2010 11:00 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Nothing wrong with cogent .. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis I believe WISPerISP (or something like that) has a Cogent pipe (in addition to others) out of St. Louis. Might want to hit them up to ask. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:07 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Anyone peer with Cogent in St Louis? Goods? Bads? Have heard mostly positive but real-world feedback would be great. Thanks! -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
I have a 100/100Mbps connection at 900 Walnut with layer 2 Charter fiber for loop to my house ( a little over 30 miles to downtown). So far it has been flawless from the Cogent side. I've had a couple issues with attenuators on the fiber and one of Charters Cisco switches failed in the last year but not Cogents problem. When Cogent looses 1 ping to my router they email me and if is down more than a couple minutes they are calling me on my cell to find out whats up. Charter has also been great on this link. They aren't as responsive to issues on my back up modems at the towers though. When I've had issues, they have had a tech at both ends of the link within and hour. [ad...@powerouter_732] tool traceroute 4.2.2.2 use-dns=yes ADDRESSSTATUS 1 gi1-5.ccr01.stl03.atlas.cogentco.com 2ms 2ms 2ms 2 te0-2-0-5.ccr22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com 11ms 9ms 9ms 3 te0-1-0-7.ccr22.ord03.atlas.cogentco.com 9ms 9ms 9ms 4 te-9-1.car4.chicago1.level3.net 13ms 11ms 9ms 5 ae-11-55.car1.chicago1.level3.net 9ms 9ms 10ms 6 vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net 10ms 9ms 9ms Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 9/10/2010 9:07 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Anyone peer with Cogent in St Louis? Goods? Bads? Have heard mostly positive but real-world feedback would be great. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
i know you're in the St. Louis area, so maybe you have experience with them there. All carriers have their good and bad POPs\towns. Cogent may or may not peer with many other carriers in St. Louis, forcing off-net traffic through Chicago or Dallas, adding a several ms and points of failure. They may have a severely underpowered set of routers that just can't keep up. Since St. Louis is on one of their 2 major E-W routes, maybe their long haul capacity through St. Louis is bumping it's limits. I have a pretty good idea who they're using for their Chicago - Omaha, personally, I don't know why they don't light all the way to Denver, since it's available. I'm not saying that any of these things ARE happening, just examples of something that may affect any given carrier at any given POP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:00 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Nothing wrong with cogent .. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis I believe WISPerISP (or something like that) has a Cogent pipe (in addition to others) out of St. Louis. Might want to hit them up to ask. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:07 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: Anyone peer with Cogent in St Louis? Goods? Bads? Have heard mostly positive but real-world feedback would be great. Thanks! -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
We have had very good luck with Cogents reliability. Now as for peers thats a different story. I will tell you that if Level 3 has two routes to you, one across Cogent and one across a dialup link (or anything else) they will send all traffic across the other link. You can see this on their looking glass with their local preference settings. Cogent burned a lot of people in the past with peering arrangements and it still shows. Jory - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Cogent is the Family Dollar/Dollar General/$1 store of bandwidth providers. It¹s cheap, they have a decent network and have quite a number of servers on Cogent bandwidth. This means a good deal of web traffic is headed toward cogent without much return. The Big players tolerate this because the last time they tried de-peering it took out half the internet (not really but caused some waves). I remember this because I had 400 web-sites on some cogent servers. All of a sudden a good majority of my customers at the time could not get to their own web-sites. It¹s a pretty decent business plan actually. Offer cheap bandwidth for servers, get a bunch of sites hosted on that bandwidth, and the Internet finds you. From that point on the Tier 1 and others are almost forced to peer with you. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com Reply-To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:01:48 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
I believe i saw an article a few months ago that said Cogent was now settlement free. Not sure how accurate that was, though. The thing is, though, Cogent isn't even the cheapest you can get in major metros anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 11:56 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: Cogent is the Family Dollar/Dollar General/$1 store of bandwidth providers. It's cheap, they have a decent network and have quite a number of servers on Cogent bandwidth. This means a good deal of web traffic is headed toward cogent without much return. The Big players tolerate this because the last time they tried de-peering it took out half the internet (not really but caused some waves). I remember this because I had 400 web-sites on some cogent servers. All of a sudden a good majority of my customers at the time could not get to their own web-sites. It's a pretty decent business plan actually. Offer cheap bandwidth for servers, get a bunch of sites hosted on that bandwidth, and the Internet finds you. From that point on the Tier 1 and others are almost forced to peer with you. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com *Reply-To: *n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:01:48 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 *From*: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent*: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
So who is the cheapest these days? Cogent is $600/mth for 100/100. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 9/10/2010 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I believe i saw an article a few months ago that said Cogent was now settlement free. Not sure how accurate that was, though. The thing is, though, Cogent isn't even the cheapest you can get in major metros anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 11:56 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: Cogent is the Family Dollar/Dollar General/$1 store of bandwidth providers. It's cheap, they have a decent network and have quite a number of servers on Cogent bandwidth. This means a good deal of web traffic is headed toward cogent without much return. The Big players tolerate this because the last time they tried de-peering it took out half the internet (not really but caused some waves). I remember this because I had 400 web-sites on some cogent servers. All of a sudden a good majority of my customers at the time could not get to their own web-sites. It's a pretty decent business plan actually. Offer cheap bandwidth for servers, get a bunch of sites hosted on that bandwidth, and the Internet finds you. From that point on the Tier 1 and others are almost forced to peer with you. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com *Reply-To: *n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:01:48 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 *From*: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent*: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
I'm not sure the cheapest, but Hurricane Electric is the leading, lower cost provider. Cogent is now $4, IIRC. HE can be had for under $1 on GigE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 12:54 PM, Jim Patient wrote: So who is the cheapest these days? Cogent is $600/mth for 100/100. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 9/10/2010 12:25 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I believe i saw an article a few months ago that said Cogent was now settlement free. Not sure how accurate that was, though. The thing is, though, Cogent isn't even the cheapest you can get in major metros anymore. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 11:56 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: Cogent is the Family Dollar/Dollar General/$1 store of bandwidth providers. It's cheap, they have a decent network and have quite a number of servers on Cogent bandwidth. This means a good deal of web traffic is headed toward cogent without much return. The Big players tolerate this because the last time they tried de-peering it took out half the internet (not really but caused some waves). I remember this because I had 400 web-sites on some cogent servers. All of a sudden a good majority of my customers at the time could not get to their own web-sites. It's a pretty decent business plan actually. Offer cheap bandwidth for servers, get a bunch of sites hosted on that bandwidth, and the Internet finds you. From that point on the Tier 1 and others are almost forced to peer with you. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com *Reply-To: *n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:01:48 -0400 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 *From*: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent*: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Funny thing happened after I upgraded from TW copper to fiber - I get an engineer when I call support now. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 -- *From*: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent*: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
TW Telecom or TW Cable? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:09 PM, RickG wrote: Funny thing happened after I upgraded from TW copper to fiber - I get an engineer when I call support now. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 *From*: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent*: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
TW Cable Business Class On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: TW Telecom or TW Cable? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:09 PM, RickG wrote: Funny thing happened after I upgraded from TW copper to fiber - I get an engineer when I call support now. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 -- *From*: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent*: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Ah, TW Telecom is a completely different company. No more integrated than you and I. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:06 PM, RickG wrote: TW Cable Business Class On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: TW Telecom or TW Cable? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:09 PM, RickG wrote: Funny thing happened after I upgraded from TW copper to fiber - I get an engineer when I call support now. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com mailto:n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 *From*: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net *Sent*: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3 Current News
Level 3 Issues Ultimatum Restores connectivity to Cogent until Nov 9 Posted 2005-10-07 19:15:54 After restoring connectivity to Cogent this afternoon, Level 3 has now issued a press release (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/68244) explaining their side of the story (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf057.html?.v=17). Despite more than 75 days of advance written notice of the termination of our agreement, Cogent apparently failed to notify its customers or make any business plans to prepare for disconnection, notes Sureel Choksi, executive vice president of Level 3 Communications. The restored peering arrangement won't last if Cogent isn't willing to negotiate, however. Level 3 has, effective immediately, re-established a free connection to Cogent. In order to allow Internet users to make alternative arrangements, we will maintain this connection until 6:00 a.m. ET, November 9, 2005. The effectiveness of this arrangement of course depends on Cogent's willingness to maintain their side of the traffic exchange. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3 Current News
I hope everyone takes this opportunity to become multi-homed if you are not already. In our case, we were already multi-homed, but all of our IPs were allocated by Cogent simply because it was the cheapest place to get them. During this mesh we learn that our IPs were in some cases being null routed. As such, we have started the process of ordering our own IP block from ARIN and have asked Cogent to assign our existing IPs to us. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: Level 3 Issues Ultimatum Restores connectivity to Cogent until Nov 9 Posted 2005-10-07 19:15:54 After restoring connectivity to Cogent this afternoon, Level 3 has now issued a press release (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/68244) explaining their side of the story (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf057.html?.v=17). Despite more than 75 days of advance written notice of the termination of our agreement, Cogent apparently failed to notify its customers or make any business plans to prepare for disconnection, notes Sureel Choksi, executive vice president of Level 3 Communications. The restored peering arrangement won't last if Cogent isn't willing to negotiate, however. Level 3 has, effective immediately, re-established a free connection to Cogent. In order to allow Internet users to make alternative arrangements, we will maintain this connection until 6:00 a.m. ET, November 9, 2005. The effectiveness of this arrangement of course depends on Cogent's willingness to maintain their side of the traffic exchange. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3 Current News
Here in ohio we got nailed by this. Verizon, SBC, Time Warner, just to name a few. I think Im going to get a backup DSL through Sprint since they were not affected by this here in ohio. Bo Matt Liotta wrote: I hope everyone takes this opportunity to become multi-homed if you are not already. In our case, we were already multi-homed, but all of our IPs were allocated by Cogent simply because it was the cheapest place to get them. During this mesh we learn that our IPs were in some cases being null routed. As such, we have started the process of ordering our own IP block from ARIN and have asked Cogent to assign our existing IPs to us. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: Level 3 Issues Ultimatum Restores connectivity to Cogent until Nov 9 Posted 2005-10-07 19:15:54 After restoring connectivity to Cogent this afternoon, Level 3 has now issued a press release (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/68244) explaining their side of the story (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf057.html?.v=17). Despite more than 75 days of advance written notice of the termination of our agreement, Cogent apparently failed to notify its customers or make any business plans to prepare for disconnection, notes Sureel Choksi, executive vice president of Level 3 Communications. The restored peering arrangement won't last if Cogent isn't willing to negotiate, however. Level 3 has, effective immediately, re-established a free connection to Cogent. In order to allow Internet users to make alternative arrangements, we will maintain this connection until 6:00 a.m. ET, November 9, 2005. The effectiveness of this arrangement of course depends on Cogent's willingness to maintain their side of the traffic exchange. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3 Current News
With all that being said, Cogent's routes pretty much suck in comparison to the other tier-1s. Being multi-homed certainly gives you a better performing network. Additionally, you might look into peering at an exchange. We are connected to the Atlanta Internet Exchange allowing us to peer with many companies for free. -Matt Tom DeReggi wrote: Only thing... A big company has a lot more leverage to control fair play with IPs than you as a small provider. When you own your own block, its real easy for a competitor (large monopoly) to block your IPs without hesitation. Much more thought goes into wether they will block IPs by a large power like Cogent. So there are disadvantages as well as benefits of owning your own IPs. The same applies to peering. Do you think any of us small ISPs will have any leverage at all to negotiate fair peering? Large companies like Cogent have the leverage to be able to negotiate peers with other large palyers like Level3. Level3 didn't restore connections just to be a nice guy to the end users. They did it because they were loosing business fast as well. Because Cogent was large enough to have that impact. I'm now going to be doing BGP and Multi-homing because this insodent, and for a PR perspective, I look more responsive to my customer because of it. But the reality is, I'm not sure it puts us up with that much of an advantage. The day, a LEVEL3 wants to block your traffic, you won't have the leverage to get them to re-open it. What cogent did was to get us better rates. Cogent pays, indirectly we pay. I support Cogents stance. I do not support however that they did not give us notice to prepair for the situation. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3 Current News I hope everyone takes this opportunity to become multi-homed if you are not already. In our case, we were already multi-homed, but all of our IPs were allocated by Cogent simply because it was the cheapest place to get them. During this mesh we learn that our IPs were in some cases being null routed. As such, we have started the process of ordering our own IP block from ARIN and have asked Cogent to assign our existing IPs to us. -Matt Frank Muto wrote: Level 3 Issues Ultimatum Restores connectivity to Cogent until Nov 9 Posted 2005-10-07 19:15:54 After restoring connectivity to Cogent this afternoon, Level 3 has now issued a press release (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/68244) explaining their side of the story (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf057.html?.v=17). Despite more than 75 days of advance written notice of the termination of our agreement, Cogent apparently failed to notify its customers or make any business plans to prepare for disconnection, notes Sureel Choksi, executive vice president of Level 3 Communications. The restored peering arrangement won't last if Cogent isn't willing to negotiate, however. Level 3 has, effective immediately, re-established a free connection to Cogent. In order to allow Internet users to make alternative arrangements, we will maintain this connection until 6:00 a.m. ET, November 9, 2005. The effectiveness of this arrangement of course depends on Cogent's willingness to maintain their side of the traffic exchange. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/123 - Release Date: 10/6/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3 Current News
Level3 did it to themselves, Cogent customers didn't have the option to hear Level 3's side of the story because LEVEL3 blocked us access from reading their side, like idiots. They instead could have did port redirection to pass our traffic to their web site our something. Regardless of what anyone says, LEVEL3 could have handled this situation by simply cutting off the pipe that was used for peering, but that is not what they did. They weren't accepting route advertisements for Cogent IPs. We could send data through diverse paths (other peers / ISPs), the packets just never came back. LEVEL3 didn't block peering pipes, they blocked routing info, in other words Cogent users. Cogent wasn't technically capable to re-route our data becaue LEvel3's actions. People leave out those little details of relavence, because they can't prove it legally. But it is what happened. In my mind Level3 stinks bad in this battle, because how they fought dirty. It had nothing to do with who was actually at faught regarding whether Cogent should have free peering or not. However, Level3 atleast did the honorable thing and will be restoring service long enough for us to take action to add peers. But in my mind they should have made that decission two days ago, before all the damage was done to innocent providers and businesses such as MINE. We can sit behind the scenes as individuals educated on the matter, and point fingers at LEvel3 or Cogent. But in my customer's eyes the ONLY one responsible is ME. I got a black eye on this, that will stay for some time, and I blaim Level3. There actions were heartless on who it would effect. In my mind, Level3 was inches away from serious law sutes. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3 Current News Level 3 Issues Ultimatum Restores connectivity to Cogent until Nov 9 Posted 2005-10-07 19:15:54 After restoring connectivity to Cogent this afternoon, Level 3 has now issued a press release (http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/68244) explaining their side of the story (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf057.html?.v=17). Despite more than 75 days of advance written notice of the termination of our agreement, Cogent apparently failed to notify its customers or make any business plans to prepare for disconnection, notes Sureel Choksi, executive vice president of Level 3 Communications. The restored peering arrangement won't last if Cogent isn't willing to negotiate, however. Level 3 has, effective immediately, re-established a free connection to Cogent. In order to allow Internet users to make alternative arrangements, we will maintain this connection until 6:00 a.m. ET, November 9, 2005. The effectiveness of this arrangement of course depends on Cogent's willingness to maintain their side of the traffic exchange. Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/123 - Release Date: 10/6/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3
Hi Tom Do you have a url for this news? Thanks George Tom DeReggi wrote: For those that are not aware, Level-3 vilolated its inplace agreements, and blocked all peering connections from Cogent communications yesterday (October 5th), and rumor has it that they are also now blocking all Cogent assigned IP ranges, so that routing diverse paths won't be effective. Not much I can say about peering disputes, but blocking IPs without cause (meaning violation of AUP) is crossing the line, and clearly anti-competitive and a law sute soon to happen. Level3 VOIP provider just lost our business over this one. Can't risk using a provider that demonstrates such practices. If using Level3 for servers, call to complain, because otherwise you are going to have lots of unsatisfied customers that can't get to the servers that reside on the Cogent network. Level 3 is doing the blocking. For those of you using Level3 and looking to become multi-homed, nows the chance to save. Cogent is offering FREE one years transit service at the same capacity as the level 3 connection. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent - Level3
On 10/6/2005 1:03 PM, Tom DeReggi created: To set the record straight, no peering agreements were violated between L3 and Cogent. I heard otherwise, however I can't prove that. Cogent on their own web site said that agreements were not violated: Level 3 terminated its peering with Cogent without cause (as permitted under its peering agreement with Cogent) even though both Cogent and Level 3 remained in full compliance with the previously existing interconnection agreement. http://status.cogentco.com/ There is also no confirmed evidence that L3 is blocking Cogent traffic through Cogent's Verio transit (which Cogent pays $$ for.) There was evidence. I wish I saved my traceroutes yesterday. To make more clear, Cogent is our backbone. When going to www.logmein.com, the last successfull hop was a peer labelled similar to verio.cogentco.com, meaning we crossed over to Verio's side. (the actual name was more meaningful). Now today, the traffic destined for that site stops cold at the first hop from our network, meaning it does not get routes from Level3 on where to send the data, once we enter Cogent's network. Unless you are referring that Cogent is blocking any advertised route info from Level3, which is highly unlikely. If Level3 was allowing our IPs to go through Verio's link, we would receive routes to route our packets in that direction across Cogent's network, and packets would travel further into Cogent's network (such as to the Verio link). If Cogent blocked traffic to Verio, it would most likely block it at the peer, not at the entry to Cogent's network from us as their client. This isn't evidence of blocking on L3's side. It could be because Cogent only purchases transit to certain prefixes and L3 isn't one of them (and Verio is filtering the announcements.) It could be because Cogent internally uses traffic engineering to prevent L3 traffic from reaching them over their Verio transit circuits. One of the two scenarios is likely given their peering arrangement with L3. I didn't see any table entries on the L3 San Diego looking glass for AS174. I saw only one route on their Denver looking glass through AS7018. Does that mean that L3 is filtering or that Cogent's announcements aren't reaching L3 for other reasons? The former is probably correct, but that's not something that can be easily demonstrated. I couldn't find a looking glass in AS174 which would allow me to see Cogent's tables from the inside. Cogent does appear to be announcing their Verio link to other peers, however. I see direct announcements for AS174 and an announcement for Sprint-Verio-Cogent, but not an ATT-Cogent path. I think that both carriers are at fault. Both companies should have resolved this before it came to reducing connectivity for their customers. They both should be held accountable by their customers. I replied to your original post, Tom, because Cogent made a public statement which directly contradicted yours and I thought that people on the list should have a more complete story [1]. You could be entirely correct about there having been a contract violation. I am confident that a considerable amount of money will be wasted trying to determine that. I fear that because of the the popularity of this issue it will reach the ears of the less clueful xEOs at carrier organizations and that the current SFI structure could be at risk of being 're-evaluated' in favor of paid interconnection. Most of the scenarios that I can think of involving compensation for interconnection lead to higher wholesale prices of bandwidth and additional overall system complexity. It appears that Cogent is unwilling to use this route because it would force them to pay (Verio) per Mb/s for the information sent to/from L3's network. The de-peering was consistent with the peering agreement between L3 and Cogent according to http://status.cogentco.com/ It stated that, but it is not in actuallity. So why would Cogent lie about something that makes them look bad on their own public web site? Many SFI contracts allow for termination without cause given enough notice and it is reasonable to assume that this one included that type of language. According to conjecture on NANOG, Cogent was given notice 40 days before the disconnect. In the absence of more reliable information I don't have any reason to assume otherwise. Current NANOG consensus (whatever that's worth) is that both companies are equally responsible for correcting their reachability issues, but L3 initiated the de-peering process. Agreed. UNLESS Level3 is actually blocking IPs that were assigned via Cogent apposed to just blocking routes or connections. Unfortuneately I am not in a possition to prove wether our IPs are blocked because we are still single homed with Cogent. Cogent has so many peers that could transmit our data via alternate paths, and the amount of traffic on our network going to level 3 is so little,
