Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-05 Thread Eric Rogers
:)  Yup.  We had 3 hit... We're back up and running.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

Shielded cable did not make a difference for me. After today's wicked 
electrical storms, I'm not sure what would.
BTW: I've lived in both Colorado and Florida along, with several other states, 
but never saw storms like the ones we get here in Kentucky - stats or no! It 
looks like us  Indiana were winners today.
-RickG

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Jayson Bakerjay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
 We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the 
 country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded 
 cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL 
 installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded PacWireless 
 POE injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a 
 lightning related service call.
 We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of 
 truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA, 
 lightning, whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were 
 replaced, necessarily, by a newer board.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however 
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 dmburg...@linktechs.net
 wrote:

  Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor?
  And/or like I suggested overclocked.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the 
  box lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once 
  only on 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice 
  or got to an interface we could use.
 
  We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors 
  and unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every 
  few hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
 
  My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the 
  radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly 
  and wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall 
  the old
  133 board.  Any others having these problems?
 
  Forbes Mercy
  President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Scott Reed
Though it looks black in the picture, normally it is bare copper or bare 
tinned copper.
It touches the shield all along the cable and is used to drain the 
electrons to ground.  You have to strip the jacket back a little farther 
than non-shielded cable to have some drain wire to work with.
You don't have to use shielded connectors, though that is an easy way.  
I often get a ground bar designed for a circuit breaker box and ground 
everything there, so I strip back several inches of jacket and run the 
drain wire to the ground block.  This gives me a single point for all 
ground and does not drain induced charges through the board.

Josh Luthman wrote:
 *Face plant*

 Never heard of those before...

 I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It doesn't
 drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

   
 Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
 Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100'
 long
 lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.

 Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good
 grounded POE injector == no problems for many years

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 wrote:
   
 You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
   
 wrote:
 
 We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector
 
 after
   
 we crimp it on.
 Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
   
 wrote:
   
 I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
 weeks ago.

 On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
   
 Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
 We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in
 
 the
 
 country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
 cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
 installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
 
 PacWireless
   
 POE
   
 injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning
 
 related
   
 service call.
 We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of
 
 truck
 
 rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 
 Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
   
 lightning,
   
 whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
   
 replaced,
 
 necessarily, by a newer board.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
   
 however
   
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
   
 dmburg...@linktechs.net
 
 wrote:
 
 Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your
 
 vendor?
   
 And/or like I suggested overclocked.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org
   
 ]
 
 On
   
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of
 
 the
 
 box
 
 lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once
 
 only
   
 on
   
 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or
 
 got
 
 to
   
 an
   
 interface we could use.

 We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors
 
 and
   
 unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every
 
 few
   
 hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

 My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on
 
 the
   
 radio that went 

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Scott Reed
There are clamps designed specifically for cable with no drain wire.
But I can't find the ones I used for BDDN cable right now.

Josh Luthman wrote:
 So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good?

 On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
   
 The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference.
 The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 
 Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
 something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded.  What's the purpose
 of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's
 grounding?

 On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
   
 Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare,
 silver wire inside the cover like that one.

 If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but
 
 wasting
   
 money on cable... :(

 Travis


 Josh Luthman wrote:
 
 *Face plant*

 Never heard of those before...

 I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
   
 doesn't
   
 drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker
 jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:


   
 Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
 Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a
 100'
 long
 lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.

 Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a
 
 good
   
 grounded POE injector == no problems for many years

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
   
 wrote:


 You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com

   
 wrote:


 We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector

 
 after

   
 we crimp it on.
 Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 

 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

   
 wrote:


 I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a
   
 few
   
 weeks ago.

 On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:

   
 Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
 We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in

 
 the

 
 country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
 shielded
 cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
 installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded

 
 PacWireless

   
 POE

   
 injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
 lightning

 
 related

   
 service call.
 We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of

 
 truck

 
 rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:


 
 Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,

   
 lightning,

   
 whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were

   
 replaced,

 
 necessarily, by a newer board.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,

   
 however

   
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 

   
 dmburg...@linktechs.net

 
 wrote:


 Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your

 
 vendor?

   
 And/or like I suggested overclocked.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:

 
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org

   
 ]

 
 On

   
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Is anybody having problems 

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Scott Carullo

Got news for ya, STP does not fix the problem - the problem is with the 
board as they continuously have issues when everything else - even on the 
same pole - doesn't.  And I am in FL and I assure you your level of pain 
with lightning isn't close :)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
 From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:19 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
 We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
 country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
 cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
 installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded PacWireless 
POE
 injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning 
related
 service call.
 We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck
 rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA, 
lightning,
  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
  necessarily, by a newer board.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
dmburg...@linktechs.net
  wrote:
 
   Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your 
vendor?
   And/or like I suggested overclocked.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On
   Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
   Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
  
   Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the 
box
   lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only 
on
   18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to 
an
   interface we could use.
  
   We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
   unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
   hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
  
   My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
   radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly 
and
   wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the 
old
   133 board.  Any others having these problems?
  
   Forbes Mercy
   President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
  
  
   

   
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Scott Carullo

If you are using plastic RJ45 with STP then you are wasting your time and 
money.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker 
jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:
 
  We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector 
after
  we crimp it on.
  Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
 
   I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a 
few
   weeks ago.
  
   On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in 
the
country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without 
shielded
cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded 
PacWireless
   POE
injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a 
lightning
   related
service call.
We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of
  truck
rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
   
Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
   lightning,
whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were 
replaced,
necessarily, by a newer board.
   
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
   
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, 
however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
   
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
  dmburg...@linktechs.net
wrote:
   
 Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by 
your
   vendor?
 And/or like I suggested overclocked.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  ]
   On
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of 
the
  box
 lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once 
only
   on
 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or 
got to
   an
 interface we could use.

 We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors 
and
 unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every 
few
 hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

 My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on 
the
 radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting 
costly
   and
 wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall 
the
  old
 133 board.  Any others having these problems?

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.



   

 
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Scott Carullo

While we are on the STP topic...  It's been noted several times that you 
are only supposed to ground ONE end of the STP shield otherwise you are 
creating for yourself a ground potential difference.  The idea behind the 
shield is just that - shield noise away shunted to ground.  On a typical 
install lets cal this the radio side use plastic connector and inside use 
grounded one with tall the other lightning goodies.  What is the consensus 
on this while we are on topic :)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 Yea, we solder and heat shrink the ends on all our tower gear.  Less
 problems, but still doesn't stop direct strikes, lol.
 
 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jayson Baker
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken.  It's
 usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not
 insulated.
 Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid.  You don't
 necessarily
 have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection
 to
 the shielded RJ45 connector.  And that the shield of the RJ45 connector
 has
 a good electrical connection to the boards plug.  And the antenna to the
 board.  And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground.
 
 You get the idea.
 
 Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all that
 use
 shielded cable have no problems at all.  Those that don't are guaranteed
 problems sooner or later.
 Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's too
 costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are
 thrown
 away.
 
 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
  *Face plant*
 
  Never heard of those before...
 
  I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
 doesn't
  drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
  wrote:
 
   Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
   Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a
 100'
   long
   lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.
  
   Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a
 good
   grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
   wrote:
  
You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
   
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
   
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
   
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker
 jay...@spectrasurf.com
wrote:
   
 We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45
 connector
after
 we crimp it on.
 Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

  I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs
 here a
  few
  weeks ago.
 
  On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
   Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
   We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst
 lightning in
   the
   country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
  shielded
   cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
   installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
PacWireless
  POE
   injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
  lightning
  related
   service call.
   We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the
 cost
  of
 truck
   rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
  
   Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware,
 DOA,
  lightning,
   whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
   replaced,
   necessarily, by a newer board.
  
   Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Josh Luthman
I think this is the kind of connector I'm looking for - finally found some
pictures:
http://www.vpi.us/installation/assemble-cat6shld.html

How does one take the large outside shielding and leave the shielding/inner
jacket intact?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:


 While we are on the STP topic...  It's been noted several times that you
 are only supposed to ground ONE end of the STP shield otherwise you are
 creating for yourself a ground potential difference.  The idea behind the
 shield is just that - shield noise away shunted to ground.  On a typical
 install lets cal this the radio side use plastic connector and inside use
 grounded one with tall the other lightning goodies.  What is the consensus
 on this while we are on topic :)

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
  From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:10 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Yea, we solder and heat shrink the ends on all our tower gear.  Less
  problems, but still doesn't stop direct strikes, lol.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Jayson Baker
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken.  It's
  usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not
  insulated.
  Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid.  You don't
  necessarily
  have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection
  to
  the shielded RJ45 connector.  And that the shield of the RJ45 connector
  has
  a good electrical connection to the boards plug.  And the antenna to the
  board.  And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground.
 
  You get the idea.
 
  Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all that
  use
  shielded cable have no problems at all.  Those that don't are guaranteed
  problems sooner or later.
  Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's too
  costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are
  thrown
  away.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
   *Face plant*
  
   Never heard of those before...
  
   I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
  doesn't
   drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
   wrote:
  
Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a
  100'
long
lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.
   
Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a
  good
grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
   
 You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
  however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker
  jay...@spectrasurf.com
 wrote:

  We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45
  connector
 after
  we crimp it on.
  Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
 
   I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs
  here a
   few
   weeks ago.
  
   On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst
  lightning in
the
country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
   shielded
cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
installs-customer

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Scott Carullo

A 532 and a rb411 do not react the same to lightning

You could have them 2 inches a part and the rb411 gets eth port whacked 
every time while the RB532 - and anything else in your inventory keeps on 
ticking.  It is a board weakness even though I don't have the understanding 
of electronics you guys do.  I can't fix em but I can tell you the 
difference after a bolt of lightning :)  (no matter how its installed - 
grounded etc)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 Same here, installation is key!  We have 532s up for at least 4 years on
 one tower.  Its 300 foot from a AM 1000watt hotstick.  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:31 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 It's a alu shield on it solder it to the connector or strip of some of
 the
 plastic and put a nice clamp with a ground wire to electrical ground. On
 one
 tower install that is what we did used coax 400 size ground kits.
 Shielded
 connectors as well. Not lost a single Ethernet port there for h 5
 years.
 Kansas is up there in statistics of lightning strikes each year but
 nothing
 like Florida. 
 
 / Eje
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good?
 
 On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
  The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference.
  The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
  Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
  something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded.  What's the
 purpose
  of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's
  grounding?
 
  On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
   Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a
 bare,
   silver wire inside the cover like that one.
  
   If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but
  wasting
   money on cable... :(
  
   Travis
  
  
   Josh Luthman wrote:
  
   *Face plant*
  
   Never heard of those before...
  
   I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
  doesn't
   drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker
   jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:
  
  
  
   Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
   Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having
 a
   100'
   long
   lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your
 board.
  
   Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into
 a
  good
   grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  
  
   wrote:
  
  
   You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker
 jay...@spectrasurf.com
  
  
   wrote:
  
  
   We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45
 connector
  
  
   after
  
  
   we crimp it on.
   Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
  
  
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  
  
   wrote:
  
  
   I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs
 here a
  few
   weeks ago.
  
   On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
  
  
   Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
   We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning
 in
  
  
   the
  
  
   country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
   shielded
   cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
   installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
  
  
   PacWireless
  
  
   POE
  
  
   injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
   lightning
  
  
   related

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Dennis Burgess
Ok, then we have 433Ahs up on a 1400 foot tower that gets struck, though they 
are mounted at 500 foot, and have not had an issue. 

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik


A 532 and a rb411 do not react the same to lightning

You could have them 2 inches a part and the rb411 gets eth port whacked 
every time while the RB532 - and anything else in your inventory keeps on 
ticking.  It is a board weakness even though I don't have the understanding 
of electronics you guys do.  I can't fix em but I can tell you the 
difference after a bolt of lightning :)  (no matter how its installed - 
grounded etc)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:45 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 Same here, installation is key!  We have 532s up for at least 4 years on
 one tower.  Its 300 foot from a AM 1000watt hotstick.  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:31 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 It's a alu shield on it solder it to the connector or strip of some of
 the
 plastic and put a nice clamp with a ground wire to electrical ground. On
 one
 tower install that is what we did used coax 400 size ground kits.
 Shielded
 connectors as well. Not lost a single Ethernet port there for h 5
 years.
 Kansas is up there in statistics of lightning strikes each year but
 nothing
 like Florida. 
 
 / Eje
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:12 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
 So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good?
 
 On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
  The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference.
  The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
  Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
  something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded.  What's the
 purpose
  of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's
  grounding?
 
  On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
   Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a
 bare,
   silver wire inside the cover like that one.
  
   If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but
  wasting
   money on cable... :(
  
   Travis
  
  
   Josh Luthman wrote:
  
   *Face plant*
  
   Never heard of those before...
  
   I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
  doesn't
   drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker
   jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:
  
  
  
   Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
   Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having
 a
   100'
   long
   lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your
 board.
  
   Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into
 a
  good
   grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  
  
   wrote:
  
  
   You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Jayson Baker
If you don't ground both ends you're creating a huge antenna to pick up
static and drain it right into your board/POE.
Always use shielded connectors on both ends, and ground both ends.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:


 While we are on the STP topic...  It's been noted several times that you
 are only supposed to ground ONE end of the STP shield otherwise you are
 creating for yourself a ground potential difference.  The idea behind the
 shield is just that - shield noise away shunted to ground.  On a typical
 install lets cal this the radio side use plastic connector and inside use
 grounded one with tall the other lightning goodies.  What is the consensus
 on this while we are on topic :)

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
  From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:10 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Yea, we solder and heat shrink the ends on all our tower gear.  Less
  problems, but still doesn't stop direct strikes, lol.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Jayson Baker
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken.  It's
  usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not
  insulated.
  Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid.  You don't
  necessarily
  have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection
  to
  the shielded RJ45 connector.  And that the shield of the RJ45 connector
  has
  a good electrical connection to the boards plug.  And the antenna to the
  board.  And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground.
 
  You get the idea.
 
  Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all that
  use
  shielded cable have no problems at all.  Those that don't are guaranteed
  problems sooner or later.
  Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's too
  costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are
  thrown
  away.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
   *Face plant*
  
   Never heard of those before...
  
   I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
  doesn't
   drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
   wrote:
  
Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a
  100'
long
lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.
   
Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a
  good
grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
   
 You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
  however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker
  jay...@spectrasurf.com
 wrote:

  We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45
  connector
 after
  we crimp it on.
  Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
 
   I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs
  here a
   few
   weeks ago.
  
   On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst
  lightning in
the
country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
   shielded
cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
 PacWireless
   POE
injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
   lightning
   related
service call.
We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the
  cost

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Jayson Baker
It did for us, but we always ensure a good electrical ground from end to
end.  Maybe you're not soldering the drain wire to the connector, the
connector isn't making a good connection to the plug, etc.

Just for grins, I did some research on lightning, as stated on NOAA's site,
Florida has the worst overall lightning for the year, but Colorado beats it
in the summertime.  Not to mention, Costa Rica beats both.

All I'm saying is, we ground/solder/check everything and have 0 issues, when
we don't, we have major issues.  YMMV

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:


 Got news for ya, STP does not fix the problem - the problem is with the
 board as they continuously have issues when everything else - even on the
 same pole - doesn't.  And I am in FL and I assure you your level of pain
 with lightning isn't close :)

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
  From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:19 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
  We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
  country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
  cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
  installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded PacWireless
 POE
  injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning
 related
  service call.
  We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck
  rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
   Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
 lightning,
   whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
   necessarily, by a newer board.
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess
 dmburg...@linktechs.net
   wrote:
  
Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your
 vendor?
And/or like I suggested overclocked.
   
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
   
Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the
 box
lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only
 on
18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to
 an
interface we could use.
   
We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
   
My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly
 and
wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the
 old
133 board.  Any others having these problems?
   
Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
   
   
   
 

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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Jayson Baker
Thousands between Colorado and Costa Rica

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:

 And you have RB411's hung everywhere?

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
  From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:06 AM
  To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
 General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  It did for us, but we always ensure a good electrical ground from end to
  end.  Maybe you're not soldering the drain wire to the connector, the
  connector isn't making a good connection to the plug, etc.
 
  Just for grins, I did some research on lightning, as stated on NOAA's
 site,
  Florida has the worst overall lightning for the year, but Colorado beats
 it
  in the summertime.  Not to mention, Costa Rica beats both.
 
  All I'm saying is, we ground/solder/check everything and have 0 issues,
 when
  we don't, we have major issues.  YMMV
 
  On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Scott Carullo
 sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:
 
  
   Got news for ya, STP does not fix the problem - the problem is with
 the
   board as they continuously have issues when everything else - even on
 the
   same pole - doesn't.  And I am in FL and I assure you your level of
 pain
   with lightning isn't close :)
  
   Scott Carullo
   Brevard Wireless
   321-205-1100 x102
  
    Original Message 
From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:19 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
   
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
 PacWireless
   POE
injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning
   related
service call.
We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of
 truck
rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
   
 Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
   lightning,
 whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
 replaced,
 necessarily, by a newer board.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess
   dmburg...@linktechs.net
 wrote:

  Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your
   vendor?
  And/or like I suggested overclocked.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
   On
  Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of
 the
   box
  lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once
 only
   on
  18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got
 to
   an
  interface we could use.
 
  We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors
 and
  unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every
 few
  hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
 
  My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on
 the
  radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting
 costly
   and
  wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall
 the
   old
  133 board.  Any others having these problems?
 
  Forbes Mercy
  President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 
 
 
  
 
  
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Jayson Baker
IMO, if you don't solder it, it's almost pointless.  It must make an
excellent electrical connection to be worthwhile.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:


 I've never soldered the drain wire to the connector.  Do you do that now
 because you have always been that way :)

 Or, is it because you realized a noticeable difference between soldering
 and not soldering the drain wire?

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
  From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:49 AM
  To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
 General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Thousands between Colorado and Costa Rica
 
  On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Scott Carullo
 sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:
 
   And you have RB411's hung everywhere?
  
   Scott Carullo
   Brevard Wireless
   321-205-1100 x102
  
    Original Message 
From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:06 AM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA
   General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
   
It did for us, but we always ensure a good electrical ground from end
 to
end.  Maybe you're not soldering the drain wire to the connector,
 the
connector isn't making a good connection to the plug, etc.
   
Just for grins, I did some research on lightning, as stated on
 NOAA's
   site,
Florida has the worst overall lightning for the year, but Colorado
 beats
   it
in the summertime.  Not to mention, Costa Rica beats both.
   
All I'm saying is, we ground/solder/check everything and have 0
 issues,
   when
we don't, we have major issues.  YMMV
   
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Scott Carullo
   sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:
   

 Got news for ya, STP does not fix the problem - the problem is
 with
   the
 board as they continuously have issues when everything else - even
 on
   the
 same pole - doesn't.  And I am in FL and I assure you your level
 of
   pain
 with lightning isn't close :)

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
  From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:19 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
  We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in
 the
  country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
 shielded
  cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
  installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
   PacWireless
 POE
  injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
 lightning
 related
  service call.
  We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost
 of
   truck
  rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
   Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware,
 DOA,
 lightning,
   whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
   replaced,
   necessarily, by a newer board.
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
   however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess
 dmburg...@linktechs.net
   wrote:
  
Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by
 your
 vendor?
And/or like I suggested overclocked.
   
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
   
Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out
 of
   the
 box
lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped
 once
   only
 on
18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or
 got
   to
 an
interface we could use.
   
We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel
 errors
   and
unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration
 every
   few
hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
   
My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers
 on
   the
radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting
   costly

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Mike Hammett
When I was running 2.9.51, they worked fine, but they couldn't handle v3. 
Actually, I do have some full 133s (not the c version) out there running v3.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:10 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning,
 whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
 necessarily, by a newer board.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote:

 Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor?
 And/or like I suggested overclocked.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
 lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on
 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an
 interface we could use.

 We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
 unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
 hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

 My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
 radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and
 wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the old
 133 board.  Any others having these problems?

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Scott Reed
 From way back when I was an electrical engineering student, ground one 
end.  Or ground every 10 to 20 feet along the run.  Otherwise you have 
the potential for a ground loop, which means you have current running 
through the shield and then through the tower.  That can induce it's own 
noise into the cable.

Here is the key: Single Point Ground.
The idea is to do your best to keep everything at the same voltage 
potential.  So everything comes back to one place. 

So, while Jayson is right to a point about creating an antenna, the 
solution is different than he suggests.  You want to have the drain wire 
do what it's name says, drain the stray signals to ground.  For some 
installations, using the metal connector on one end works.  That is, 
assuming that the board ground in directly connected to the single point 
ground.  My personal preference is to directly connect the drain wire to 
the ground point, but the key is that you have one ground point and no  
current flowing through the ground wires.

Jayson Baker wrote:
 If you don't ground both ends you're creating a huge antenna to pick up
 static and drain it right into your board/POE.
 Always use shielded connectors on both ends, and ground both ends.

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Scott Carullo 
 sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:

   
 While we are on the STP topic...  It's been noted several times that you
 are only supposed to ground ONE end of the STP shield otherwise you are
 creating for yourself a ground potential difference.  The idea behind the
 shield is just that - shield noise away shunted to ground.  On a typical
 install lets cal this the radio side use plastic connector and inside use
 grounded one with tall the other lightning goodies.  What is the consensus
 on this while we are on topic :)

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
 
 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Yea, we solder and heat shrink the ends on all our tower gear.  Less
 problems, but still doesn't stop direct strikes, lol.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jayson Baker
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken.  It's
 usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not
 insulated.
 Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid.  You don't
 necessarily
 have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection
 to
 the shielded RJ45 connector.  And that the shield of the RJ45 connector
 has
 a good electrical connection to the boards plug.  And the antenna to the
 board.  And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground.

 You get the idea.

 Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all that
 use
 shielded cable have no problems at all.  Those that don't are guaranteed
 problems sooner or later.
 Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's too
 costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are
 thrown
 away.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

   
 *Face plant*

 Never heard of those before...

 I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
 
 doesn't
   
 drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
 
 wrote:
   
 Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
 Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a
   
 100'
   
 long
 lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.

 Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a
   
 good
   
 grounded POE injector == no problems for many years

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
   
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 wrote:
 
 You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 
 however
   
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker
 
 jay...@spectrasurf.com
   
 wrote:
   
 We also

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Scott,
So do you solder or ground the shielded end at any point or just ground 
the drain wire only?

-Eric

Scott Reed wrote:
  From way back when I was an electrical engineering student, ground one 
 end.  Or ground every 10 to 20 feet along the run.  Otherwise you have 
 the potential for a ground loop, which means you have current running 
 through the shield and then through the tower.  That can induce it's own 
 noise into the cable.

 Here is the key: Single Point Ground.
 The idea is to do your best to keep everything at the same voltage 
 potential.  So everything comes back to one place. 

 So, while Jayson is right to a point about creating an antenna, the 
 solution is different than he suggests.  You want to have the drain wire 
 do what it's name says, drain the stray signals to ground.  For some 
 installations, using the metal connector on one end works.  That is, 
 assuming that the board ground in directly connected to the single point 
 ground.  My personal preference is to directly connect the drain wire to 
 the ground point, but the key is that you have one ground point and no  
 current flowing through the ground wires.

 Jayson Baker wrote:
   
 If you don't ground both ends you're creating a huge antenna to pick up
 static and drain it right into your board/POE.
 Always use shielded connectors on both ends, and ground both ends.

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Scott Carullo 
 sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:

   
 
 While we are on the STP topic...  It's been noted several times that you
 are only supposed to ground ONE end of the STP shield otherwise you are
 creating for yourself a ground potential difference.  The idea behind the
 shield is just that - shield noise away shunted to ground.  On a typical
 install lets cal this the radio side use plastic connector and inside use
 grounded one with tall the other lightning goodies.  What is the consensus
 on this while we are on topic :)

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Josh Luthman
Well what are you grounding on either end?  At the base of the tower
you actually go to earth - the radio itself isn't ground - the earth
is, so only the ground at at the bottom.

On 8/4/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote:
  From way back when I was an electrical engineering student, ground one
 end.  Or ground every 10 to 20 feet along the run.  Otherwise you have
 the potential for a ground loop, which means you have current running
 through the shield and then through the tower.  That can induce it's own
 noise into the cable.

 Here is the key: Single Point Ground.
 The idea is to do your best to keep everything at the same voltage
 potential.  So everything comes back to one place.

 So, while Jayson is right to a point about creating an antenna, the
 solution is different than he suggests.  You want to have the drain wire
 do what it's name says, drain the stray signals to ground.  For some
 installations, using the metal connector on one end works.  That is,
 assuming that the board ground in directly connected to the single point
 ground.  My personal preference is to directly connect the drain wire to
 the ground point, but the key is that you have one ground point and no
 current flowing through the ground wires.

 Jayson Baker wrote:
 If you don't ground both ends you're creating a huge antenna to pick up
 static and drain it right into your board/POE.
 Always use shielded connectors on both ends, and ground both ends.

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Scott Carullo
 sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:


 While we are on the STP topic...  It's been noted several times that you
 are only supposed to ground ONE end of the STP shield otherwise you are
 creating for yourself a ground potential difference.  The idea behind the
 shield is just that - shield noise away shunted to ground.  On a typical
 install lets cal this the radio side use plastic connector and inside use
 grounded one with tall the other lightning goodies.  What is the
 consensus
 on this while we are on topic :)

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 

 From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:10 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Yea, we solder and heat shrink the ends on all our tower gear.  Less
 problems, but still doesn't stop direct strikes, lol.

 Regards,
 Chuck Hogg
 Shelby Broadband
 502-722-9292
 ch...@shelbybb.com
 http://www.shelbybb.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Jayson Baker
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken.  It's
 usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not
 insulated.
 Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid.  You don't
 necessarily
 have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection
 to
 the shielded RJ45 connector.  And that the shield of the RJ45 connector
 has
 a good electrical connection to the boards plug.  And the antenna to the
 board.  And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground.

 You get the idea.

 Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all that
 use
 shielded cable have no problems at all.  Those that don't are guaranteed
 problems sooner or later.
 Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's too
 costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are
 thrown
 away.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:


 *Face plant*

 Never heard of those before...

 I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It

 doesn't

 drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com

 wrote:

 Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
 Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a

 100'

 long
 lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.

 Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a

 good

 grounded POE injector == no problems for many years

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 

 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

 wrote:

 You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,

 however

 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread jp
We typically hook the drain wire up to screw terminals on a buss bar, 
like you'd use for the neutrals/grounds in a breaker panel. They are 
only a few dollars at the hardware store.

This buss bar is usually bolted to the grounded rack or copper grounding 
plate that the coax lightning arrestors use.

On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 11:25:53AM -0500, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
 Scott,
 So do you solder or ground the shielded end at any point or just ground 
 the drain wire only?
 
 -Eric
 
 Scott Reed wrote:
   From way back when I was an electrical engineering student, ground one 
  end.  Or ground every 10 to 20 feet along the run.  Otherwise you have 
  the potential for a ground loop, which means you have current running 
  through the shield and then through the tower.  That can induce it's own 
  noise into the cable.
 
  Here is the key: Single Point Ground.
  The idea is to do your best to keep everything at the same voltage 
  potential.  So everything comes back to one place. 
 
  So, while Jayson is right to a point about creating an antenna, the 
  solution is different than he suggests.  You want to have the drain wire 
  do what it's name says, drain the stray signals to ground.  For some 
  installations, using the metal connector on one end works.  That is, 
  assuming that the board ground in directly connected to the single point 
  ground.  My personal preference is to directly connect the drain wire to 
  the ground point, but the key is that you have one ground point and no  
  current flowing through the ground wires.
 
  Jayson Baker wrote:

  If you don't ground both ends you're creating a huge antenna to pick up
  static and drain it right into your board/POE.
  Always use shielded connectors on both ends, and ground both ends.
 
  On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Scott Carullo 
  sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:
 

  
  While we are on the STP topic...  It's been noted several times that you
  are only supposed to ground ONE end of the STP shield otherwise you are
  creating for yourself a ground potential difference.  The idea behind the
  shield is just that - shield noise away shunted to ground.  On a typical
  install lets cal this the radio side use plastic connector and inside use
  grounded one with tall the other lightning goodies.  What is the consensus
  on this while we are on topic :)
 
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  Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Scott Reed
Depends on the cable.
For most of it, I just run the drain wire to the ground block.
For the BDDN cable, I found some ground clamps that are like alligator 
clips with screws.  You put one jaw inside the shield, one between the 
shield and the jacket and the teeth pierce the shield.  If I can find 
the supplier/part number I will post it.

Eric Muehleisen wrote:
 Scott,
 So do you solder or ground the shielded end at any point or just ground 
 the drain wire only?

 -Eric

 Scott Reed wrote:
   
  From way back when I was an electrical engineering student, ground one 
 end.  Or ground every 10 to 20 feet along the run.  Otherwise you have 
 the potential for a ground loop, which means you have current running 
 through the shield and then through the tower.  That can induce it's own 
 noise into the cable.

 Here is the key: Single Point Ground.
 The idea is to do your best to keep everything at the same voltage 
 potential.  So everything comes back to one place. 

 So, while Jayson is right to a point about creating an antenna, the 
 solution is different than he suggests.  You want to have the drain wire 
 do what it's name says, drain the stray signals to ground.  For some 
 installations, using the metal connector on one end works.  That is, 
 assuming that the board ground in directly connected to the single point 
 ground.  My personal preference is to directly connect the drain wire to 
 the ground point, but the key is that you have one ground point and no  
 current flowing through the ground wires.

 Jayson Baker wrote:
   
 
 If you don't ground both ends you're creating a huge antenna to pick up
 static and drain it right into your board/POE.
 Always use shielded connectors on both ends, and ground both ends.

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Scott Carullo 
 sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote:

   
 
   
 While we are on the STP topic...  It's been noted several times that you
 are only supposed to ground ONE end of the STP shield otherwise you are
 creating for yourself a ground potential difference.  The idea behind the
 shield is just that - shield noise away shunted to ground.  On a typical
 install lets cal this the radio side use plastic connector and inside use
 grounded one with tall the other lightning goodies.  What is the consensus
 on this while we are on topic :)

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-04 Thread Jayson Baker
Scott,

I guess the best thing to keep in mind is... do whatever works for you.

If you're talking tower:
We ground at both ends, because the ground potential is the same at both
ends (i.e. the tower, the building DC/AC source, routers, switches, etc. are
all tied to a common ground).

If you're talking customer:
We don't ground the mount/mast separately, so effectively it's grounded
through the Cat5.  Perhaps not the ideal way to do it, but has always
avoided lightning problems for us.

Ground loops ARE real, and DO occur - especially in residential installs.
When we used to install DISH Network we'd see this on occasion, usually in
older homes.
DISH would be grounded outside to the house ground, but that was at a
different potential than the (sometimes 2-prong AC plugged) receiver, so
you'd get odd behavior.  Disconnecting ground solved those issues.

Jayson

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote:

  From way back when I was an electrical engineering student, ground one
 end.  Or ground every 10 to 20 feet along the run.  Otherwise you have
 the potential for a ground loop, which means you have current running
 through the shield and then through the tower.  That can induce it's own
 noise into the cable.

 Here is the key: Single Point Ground.
 The idea is to do your best to keep everything at the same voltage
 potential.  So everything comes back to one place.

 So, while Jayson is right to a point about creating an antenna, the
 solution is different than he suggests.  You want to have the drain wire
 do what it's name says, drain the stray signals to ground.  For some
 installations, using the metal connector on one end works.  That is,
 assuming that the board ground in directly connected to the single point
 ground.  My personal preference is to directly connect the drain wire to
 the ground point, but the key is that you have one ground point and no
 current flowing through the ground wires.

 Jayson Baker wrote:
  If you don't ground both ends you're creating a huge antenna to pick up
  static and drain it right into your board/POE.
  Always use shielded connectors on both ends, and ground both ends.
 
  On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com
 wrote:
 
 
  While we are on the STP topic...  It's been noted several times that you
  are only supposed to ground ONE end of the STP shield otherwise you are
  creating for yourself a ground potential difference.  The idea behind
 the
  shield is just that - shield noise away shunted to ground.  On a typical
  install lets cal this the radio side use plastic connector and inside
 use
  grounded one with tall the other lightning goodies.  What is the
 consensus
  on this while we are on topic :)
 
  Scott Carullo
  Brevard Wireless
  321-205-1100 x102
 
   Original Message 
 
  From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:10 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Yea, we solder and heat shrink the ends on all our tower gear.  Less
  problems, but still doesn't stop direct strikes, lol.
 
  Regards,
  Chuck Hogg
  Shelby Broadband
  502-722-9292
  ch...@shelbybb.com
  http://www.shelbybb.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
  Behalf Of Jayson Baker
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken.  It's
  usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not
  insulated.
  Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid.  You don't
  necessarily
  have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection
  to
  the shielded RJ45 connector.  And that the shield of the RJ45 connector
  has
  a good electrical connection to the boards plug.  And the antenna to
 the
  board.  And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground.
 
  You get the idea.
 
  Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all
 that
  use
  shielded cable have no problems at all.  Those that don't are
 guaranteed
  problems sooner or later.
  Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's
 too
  costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are
  thrown
  away.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
 
  *Face plant*
 
  Never heard of those before...
 
  I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
 
  doesn't
 
  drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
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  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Josh Luthman
I had 2 433ah that were fine for a year until lightning got them.  I'm
pretty sure I used more of them elsewhere (no problems with anything else
though).

I would never use a 133 board.  I strongly dislike them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:

 Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
 lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on
 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an
 interface we could use.

 We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
 unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
 hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

 My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
 radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and
 wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the old
 133 board.  Any others having these problems?

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.



 
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Dennis Burgess
Sure these are not overclocked?

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Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on
18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an
interface we could use.

We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and
wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the old
133 board.  Any others having these problems?

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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Dennis Burgess
Why they don't make them anymore! Lol  ..  They were good, just NO cpu
behind them, simple as that! Lol.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

I had 2 433ah that were fine for a year until lightning got them.  I'm
pretty sure I used more of them elsewhere (no problems with anything
else
though).

I would never use a 133 board.  I strongly dislike them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:

 Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
 lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only
on
 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to
an
 interface we could use.

 We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
 unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
 hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

 My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
 radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly
and
 wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the old
 133 board.  Any others having these problems?

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.






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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Dennis Burgess
Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor?
And/or like I suggested overclocked.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on
18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an
interface we could use.

We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and
wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the old
133 board.  Any others having these problems?

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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning,
whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
necessarily, by a newer board.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote:

 Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor?
 And/or like I suggested overclocked.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
 lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on
 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an
 interface we could use.

 We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
 unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
 hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

 My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
 radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and
 wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the old
 133 board.  Any others having these problems?

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.


 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Jayson Baker
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded PacWireless POE
injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related
service call.
We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck
rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning,
 whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
 necessarily, by a newer board.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 wrote:

  Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor?
  And/or like I suggested overclocked.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
  lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on
  18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an
  interface we could use.
 
  We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
  unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
  hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
 
  My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
  radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and
  wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the old
  133 board.  Any others having these problems?
 
  Forbes Mercy
  President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 
 
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Josh Luthman
I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
weeks ago.

On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
 We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
 country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
 cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
 installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded PacWireless POE
 injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related
 service call.
 We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck
 rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning,
 whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
 necessarily, by a newer board.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
 wrote:

  Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor?
  And/or like I suggested overclocked.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
  Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
  lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only on
  18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to an
  interface we could use.
 
  We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
  unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
  hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
 
  My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
  radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly and
  wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the old
  133 board.  Any others having these problems?
 
  Forbes Mercy
  President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 
 
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Jayson Baker
We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after
we crimp it on.
Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
 weeks ago.

 On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
  Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
  We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
  country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
  cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
  installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded PacWireless
 POE
  injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning
 related
  service call.
  We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck
  rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
 lightning,
  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
  necessarily, by a newer board.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net
  wrote:
 
   Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your
 vendor?
   And/or like I suggested overclocked.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
   Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
   Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
  
   Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the box
   lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only
 on
   18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to
 an
   interface we could use.
  
   We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
   unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
   hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
  
   My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
   radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly
 and
   wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the old
   133 board.  Any others having these problems?
  
   Forbes Mercy
   President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
  
  
  
 
   
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Josh Luthman
You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

 We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after
 we crimp it on.
 Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

  I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
  weeks ago.
 
  On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
   Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
   We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
   country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
   cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
   installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded PacWireless
  POE
   injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning
  related
   service call.
   We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of
 truck
   rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
  
   Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
  lightning,
   whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
   necessarily, by a newer board.
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 dmburg...@linktechs.net
   wrote:
  
Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your
  vendor?
And/or like I suggested overclocked.
   
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 ]
  On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
   
Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the
 box
lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only
  on
18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to
  an
interface we could use.
   
We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
   
My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly
  and
wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the
 old
133 board.  Any others having these problems?
   
Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
   
   
   
  

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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Jayson Baker
Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long
lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.

Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good
grounded POE injector == no problems for many years

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
 wrote:

  We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector
 after
  we crimp it on.
  Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
 
   I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
   weeks ago.
  
   On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
 PacWireless
   POE
injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning
   related
service call.
We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of
  truck
rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
   
Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
   lightning,
whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
necessarily, by a newer board.
   
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
   
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
   
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
  dmburg...@linktechs.net
wrote:
   
 Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your
   vendor?
 And/or like I suggested overclocked.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
 wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  ]
   On
 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the
  box
 lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once
 only
   on
 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got
 to
   an
 interface we could use.

 We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors
 and
 unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every
 few
 hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

 My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on
 the
 radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting
 costly
   and
 wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the
  old
 133 board.  Any others having these problems?

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.



  
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Josh Luthman
*Face plant*

Never heard of those before...

I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It doesn't
drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

 Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
 Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100'
 long
 lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.

 Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good
 grounded POE injector == no problems for many years

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

  You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
  wrote:
 
   We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector
  after
   we crimp it on.
   Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
   wrote:
  
I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
weeks ago.
   
On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
 We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in
 the
 country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
 cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
 installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
  PacWireless
POE
 injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning
related
 service call.
 We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of
   truck
 rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
lightning,
 whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
 replaced,
 necessarily, by a newer board.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
  however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
   dmburg...@linktechs.net
 wrote:

  Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your
vendor?
  And/or like I suggested overclocked.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
   ]
On
  Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of
 the
   box
  lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once
  only
on
  18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or
 got
  to
an
  interface we could use.
 
  We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors
  and
  unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every
  few
  hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
 
  My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on
  the
  radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting
  costly
and
  wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall
 the
   old
  133 board.  Any others having these problems?
 
  Forbes Mercy
  President - Washington Broadband, Inc.
 
 
 
   
  
  
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Travis Johnson




It does no good to run shielded cable if you aren't using shielded
RJ-45 ends as well. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Josh Luthman wrote:

  You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

  
  
We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after
we crimp it on.
Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com


  wrote:
  


  I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
weeks ago.

On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
  
  
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the
country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded PacWireless

  
  POE
  
  
injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning

  
  related
  
  
service call.
We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of

  

truck


  
rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
  

  
  lightning,
  
  

  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced,
necessarily, by a newer board.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
  

  

dmburg...@linktechs.net


  

  
wrote:

  
  
Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your

  

  
  vendor?
  
  

  
And/or like I suggested overclocked.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org

  

  

]


  On
  
  

  
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of the

  

  

box


  

  
lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once only

  

  
  on
  
  

  
18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or got to

  

  
  an
  
  

  
interface we could use.

We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors and
unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every few
hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on the
radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting costly

  

  
  and
  
  

  
wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall the

  

  

old


  

  
133 board.  Any others having these problems?

Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.




  

  
  
  
  

  

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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Travis Johnson




Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare,
silver wire inside the cover like that one.

If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but
wasting money on cable... :(

Travis


Josh Luthman wrote:

  *Face plant*

Never heard of those before...

I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It doesn't
drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:

  
  
Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100'
long
lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.

Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good
grounded POE injector == no problems for many years

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com


  wrote:
  


  You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
  
  
wrote:

  
  
We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector

  
  after
  
  
we crimp it on.
Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 

  
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  
  

  wrote:
  


  I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
weeks ago.

On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
  
  
Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in

  

  

the


  

  
country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded

  

  
  PacWireless
  
  

  POE
  
  
injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning

  
  related
  
  
service call.
We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of

  

truck


  
rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
  

  
  lightning,
  
  

  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
  

  

  

replaced,


  

  

  necessarily, by a newer board.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
  

  

  
  however
  
  

  

  improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
  

  

dmburg...@linktechs.net


  

  
wrote:

  
  
Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your

  

  
  vendor?
  
  

  
And/or like I suggested overclocked.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:

  

  

  
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  
  
]


  On
  
  

  
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of

  
  

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded.  What's the purpose
of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's
grounding?

On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
 Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare,
 silver wire inside the cover like that one.

 If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but wasting
 money on cable... :(

 Travis


 Josh Luthman wrote:

 *Face plant*

 Never heard of those before...

 I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It doesn't
 drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker
 jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:



 Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
 Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100'
 long
 lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.

 Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good
 grounded POE injector == no problems for many years

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com


 wrote:


 You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com


 wrote:


 We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector


 after


 we crimp it on.
 Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 


 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com


 wrote:


 I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few
 weeks ago.

 On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:


 Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
 We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in


 the


 country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
 cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
 installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded


 PacWireless


 POE


 injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning


 related


 service call.
 We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of


 truck


 rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



 Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,


 lightning,


 whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were


 replaced,


 necessarily, by a newer board.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,


 however


 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 


 dmburg...@linktechs.net


 wrote:


 Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your


 vendor?


 And/or like I suggested overclocked.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:


 wireless-boun...@wispa.org


 ]


 On


 Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

 Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of


 the


 box


 lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once


 only


 on


 18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or


 got


 to


 an


 interface we could use.

 We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors


 and


 unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every


 few


 hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

 My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on


 the


 radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting


 costly


 and


 wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall


 the


 old


 133 board.  Any others having these problems?

 Forbes Mercy
 President - Washington Broadband, Inc.





 


 
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Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Jayson Baker
Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken.  It's
usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not insulated.
Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid.  You don't necessarily
have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection to
the shielded RJ45 connector.  And that the shield of the RJ45 connector has
a good electrical connection to the boards plug.  And the antenna to the
board.  And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground.

You get the idea.

Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all that use
shielded cable have no problems at all.  Those that don't are guaranteed
problems sooner or later.
Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's too
costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are thrown
away.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 *Face plant*

 Never heard of those before...

 I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It doesn't
 drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
 wrote:

  Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
  Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100'
  long
  lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.
 
  Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good
  grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
 
   You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
   wrote:
  
We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector
   after
we crimp it on.
Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
   
 I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a
 few
 weeks ago.

 On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
  Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
  We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in
  the
  country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
 shielded
  cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
  installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
   PacWireless
 POE
  injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
 lightning
 related
  service call.
  We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost
 of
truck
  rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
 lightning,
  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
  replaced,
  necessarily, by a newer board.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
   however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
dmburg...@linktechs.net
  wrote:
 
   Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by
 your
 vendor?
   And/or like I suggested overclocked.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
   wireless-boun...@wispa.org
]
 On
   Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
   Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
  
   Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of
  the
box
   lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped
 once
   only
 on
   18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or
  got
   to
 an
   interface we could use.
  
   We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel
 errors
   and
   unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration
 every
   few
   hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Jayson Baker
The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference.
The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
 something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded.  What's the purpose
 of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's
 grounding?

 On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
  Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare,
  silver wire inside the cover like that one.
 
  If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but
 wasting
  money on cable... :(
 
  Travis
 
 
  Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  *Face plant*
 
  Never heard of those before...
 
  I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
 doesn't
  drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker
  jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:
 
 
 
  Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
  Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100'
  long
  lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.
 
  Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a
 good
  grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector
 
 
  after
 
 
  we crimp it on.
  Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
 
 
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a
 few
  weeks ago.
 
  On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 
 
  Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
  We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in
 
 
  the
 
 
  country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded
  cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
  installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
 
 
  PacWireless
 
 
  POE
 
 
  injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning
 
 
  related
 
 
  service call.
  We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of
 
 
  truck
 
 
  rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
 
 
  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
 
 
  lightning,
 
 
  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
 
 
  replaced,
 
 
  necessarily, by a newer board.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 
 
  however
 
 
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 
 
  dmburg...@linktechs.net
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your
 
 
  vendor?
 
 
  And/or like I suggested overclocked.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
 
 
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 
 
  ]
 
 
  On
 
 
  Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of
 
 
  the
 
 
  box
 
 
  lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once
 
 
  only
 
 
  on
 
 
  18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or
 
 
  got
 
 
  to
 
 
  an
 
 
  interface we could use.
 
  We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors
 
 
  and
 
 
  unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every
 
 
  few
 
 
  hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
 
  My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on
 
 
  the
 
 
  radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting
 
 
  costly
 
 
  and
 
 
  wearing on my staff.  We're going back right now to reinstall
 
 
  the
 
 
  old
 
 
  133 board.  Any others 

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Chuck Hogg
Yea, we solder and heat shrink the ends on all our tower gear.  Less
problems, but still doesn't stop direct strikes, lol.

Regards,
Chuck Hogg
Shelby Broadband
502-722-9292
ch...@shelbybb.com
http://www.shelbybb.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

Yea... I don't think it's black, just how the picture was taken.  It's
usually a silver or gold wire, seperate from the others and not
insulated.
Sometimes it's stranded as opposed to being solid.  You don't
necessarily
have to solder it - but make sure it's got a good electrical connection
to
the shielded RJ45 connector.  And that the shield of the RJ45 connector
has
a good electrical connection to the boards plug.  And the antenna to the
board.  And the RJ45 to the POE, and POE to ground.

You get the idea.

Like I said, we have thousands of these in service in Colorado--all that
use
shielded cable have no problems at all.  Those that don't are guaranteed
problems sooner or later.
Our Costa Rica operation doesn't use shielded cable (supposedly it's too
costly to import), so everytime there's a storm dozens of boards are
thrown
away.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 *Face plant*

 Never heard of those before...

 I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
doesn't
 drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
 improbable, must be the truth.
 --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
 wrote:

  Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
  Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a
100'
  long
  lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.
 
  Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a
good
  grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:
 
   You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
however
   improbable, must be the truth.
   --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker
jay...@spectrasurf.com
   wrote:
  
We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45
connector
   after
we crimp it on.
Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
   
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
   j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
   
 I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs
here a
 few
 weeks ago.

 On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
  Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
  We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst
lightning in
  the
  country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
 shielded
  cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
  installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
   PacWireless
 POE
  injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
 lightning
 related
  service call.
  We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the
cost
 of
truck
  rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware,
DOA,
 lightning,
  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
  replaced,
  necessarily, by a newer board.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which
remains,
   however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
dmburg...@linktechs.net
  wrote:
 
   Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged
by
 your
 vendor?
   And/or like I suggested overclocked.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
   wireless-boun...@wispa.org
]
 On
   Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
   Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
   To: WISPA General List
   Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
  
   Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards
out

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Josh Luthman
So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good?

On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference.
 The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
 something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded.  What's the purpose
 of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's
 grounding?

 On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
  Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare,
  silver wire inside the cover like that one.
 
  If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but
 wasting
  money on cable... :(
 
  Travis
 
 
  Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  *Face plant*
 
  Never heard of those before...
 
  I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
 doesn't
  drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker
  jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:
 
 
 
  Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
  Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a
  100'
  long
  lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.
 
  Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a
 good
  grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector
 
 
  after
 
 
  we crimp it on.
  Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
 
 
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a
 few
  weeks ago.
 
  On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 
 
  Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
  We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in
 
 
  the
 
 
  country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
  shielded
  cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
  installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
 
 
  PacWireless
 
 
  POE
 
 
  injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
  lightning
 
 
  related
 
 
  service call.
  We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of
 
 
  truck
 
 
  rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
 
 
  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
 
 
  lightning,
 
 
  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
 
 
  replaced,
 
 
  necessarily, by a newer board.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 
 
  however
 
 
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 
 
  dmburg...@linktechs.net
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by your
 
 
  vendor?
 
 
  And/or like I suggested overclocked.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
 
 
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 
 
  ]
 
 
  On
 
 
  Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards out of
 
 
  the
 
 
  box
 
 
  lately?  We purchased four this year so far and one beeped once
 
 
  only
 
 
  on
 
 
  18v not higher or loser voltages but it never beeped twice or
 
 
  got
 
 
  to
 
 
  an
 
 
  interface we could use.
 
  We just installed another one and it now is giving kernel errors
 
 
  and
 
 
  unless authenticate all is on everyone loses registration every
 
 
  few
 
 
  hours.  We updated the firmware but with no positive result.
 
  My costs for tower climbers and anger from the 150 customers on
 
 
  the
 
 
  radio that went bad the day after we installed it is getting
 
 
  costly
 

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Eje Gustafsson
It's a alu shield on it solder it to the connector or strip of some of the
plastic and put a nice clamp with a ground wire to electrical ground. On one
tower install that is what we did used coax 400 size ground kits. Shielded
connectors as well. Not lost a single Ethernet port there for h 5 years.
Kansas is up there in statistics of lightning strikes each year but nothing
like Florida. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good?

On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference.
 The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
 something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded.  What's the purpose
 of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's
 grounding?

 On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
  Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare,
  silver wire inside the cover like that one.
 
  If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but
 wasting
  money on cable... :(
 
  Travis
 
 
  Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  *Face plant*
 
  Never heard of those before...
 
  I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
 doesn't
  drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker
  jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:
 
 
 
  Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
  Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a
  100'
  long
  lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board.
 
  Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a
 good
  grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker
jay...@spectrasurf.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45
connector
 
 
  after
 
 
  we crimp it on.
  Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
 
 
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a
 few
  weeks ago.
 
  On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 
 
  Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
  We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in
 
 
  the
 
 
  country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
  shielded
  cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
  installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
 
 
  PacWireless
 
 
  POE
 
 
  injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
  lightning
 
 
  related
 
 
  service call.
  We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost
of
 
 
  truck
 
 
  rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
 
 
  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware, DOA,
 
 
  lightning,
 
 
  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
 
 
  replaced,
 
 
  necessarily, by a newer board.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
 
 
  however
 
 
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 
 
  dmburg...@linktechs.net
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by
your
 
 
  vendor?
 
 
  And/or like I suggested overclocked.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
 
 
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 
 
  ]
 
 
  On
 
 
  Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
 
  Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards

Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

2009-08-03 Thread Dennis Burgess
Same here, installation is key!  We have 532s up for at least 4 years on
one tower.  Its 300 foot from a AM 1000watt hotstick.  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

It's a alu shield on it solder it to the connector or strip of some of
the
plastic and put a nice clamp with a ground wire to electrical ground. On
one
tower install that is what we did used coax 400 size ground kits.
Shielded
connectors as well. Not lost a single Ethernet port there for h 5
years.
Kansas is up there in statistics of lightning strikes each year but
nothing
like Florida. 

/ Eje

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik

So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good?

On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference.
 The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc.

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or
 something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded.  What's the
purpose
 of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's
 grounding?

 On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
  Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a
bare,
  silver wire inside the cover like that one.
 
  If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but
 wasting
  money on cable... :(
 
  Travis
 
 
  Josh Luthman wrote:
 
  *Face plant*
 
  Never heard of those before...
 
  I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire?  It
 doesn't
  drain water, but is conductive - is this right?
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker
  jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:
 
 
 
  Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors.
  Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having
a
  100'
  long
  lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your
board.
 
  Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into
a
 good
  grounded POE injector == no problems for many years
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  You lost me - drain wire?  Soldered onto a plastic rj45?
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
however
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker
jay...@spectrasurf.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45
connector
 
 
  after
 
 
  we crimp it on.
  Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman 
 
 
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs
here a
 few
  weeks ago.
 
  On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
 
 
  Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem.
  We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning
in
 
 
  the
 
 
  country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without
  shielded
  cable-it's junk after a storm.  We use shielded cable on ALL
  installs-customer installs as well.  And the good grounded
 
 
  PacWireless
 
 
  POE
 
 
  injectors.  With thousands in service, it's rare we get a
  lightning
 
 
  related
 
 
  service call.
  We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the
cost
of
 
 
  truck
 
 
  rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers.
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
 
 
  Every 133 I used had a problem.  Be it software, hardware,
DOA,
 
 
  lightning,
 
 
  whatever.  Out of dozens out there none survived and were
 
 
  replaced,
 
 
  necessarily, by a newer board.
 
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
 
  When you have eliminated the impossible, that which
remains,
 
 
  however
 
 
  improbable, must be the truth.
  --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 
 
  dmburg...@linktechs.net
 
 
  wrote:
 
 
  Nothing that I have seen.  Sure they were not repackaged by
your
 
 
  vendor