Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
Travis, what type of antennas do you have on this link? -RickG On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: I have a 73 mile link using Mikrotik with SR5 cards using a 20mhz channel. I can get 26Mbps (compared with 30Mbps on a 10 mile link). A single 20mhz channel is much easier to setup, troubleshoot, etc. Travis Microserv Rubens Kuhl wrote: Which makes an interesting dilemma: 1 20 MHz channel versus 2 10 MHz channels, TDD x FDD. My guess: TDD wil work better for short distances due to ACK timing, FDD for larger distance will perform better, but this is strongly traffic pattern dependent. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
6ft and 2ft RickG wrote: Travis, what type of antennas do you have on this link? -RickG On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: I have a 73 mile link using Mikrotik with SR5 cards using a 20mhz channel. I can get 26Mbps (compared with 30Mbps on a 10 mile link). A single 20mhz channel is much easier to setup, troubleshoot, etc. Travis Microserv Rubens Kuhl wrote: Which makes an interesting dilemma: 1 20 MHz channel versus 2 10 MHz channels, TDD x FDD. My guess: TDD wil work better for short distances due to ACK timing, FDD for larger distance will perform better, but this is strongly traffic pattern dependent. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
Yes Josh Luthman wrote: Is that 6ft on one side and 2ft on the other side? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: 6ft and 2ft RickG wrote: Travis, what type of antennas do you have on this link? -RickG On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: I have a 73 mile link using Mikrotik with SR5 cards using a 20mhz channel. I can get 26Mbps (compared with 30Mbps on a 10 mile link). A single 20mhz channel is much easier to setup, troubleshoot, etc. Travis Microserv Rubens Kuhl wrote: Which makes an interesting dilemma: 1 20 MHz channel versus 2 10 MHz channels, TDD x FDD. My guess: TDD wil work better for short distances due to ACK timing, FDD for larger distance will perform better, but this is strongly traffic pattern dependent. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
What's the gain on the 6 footer and where did you find it? On 7/19/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yes Josh Luthman wrote: Is that 6ft on one side and 2ft on the other side? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: 6ft and 2ft RickG wrote: Travis, what type of antennas do you have on this link? -RickG On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: I have a 73 mile link using Mikrotik with SR5 cards using a 20mhz channel. I can get 26Mbps (compared with 30Mbps on a 10 mile link). A single 20mhz channel is much easier to setup, troubleshoot, etc. Travis Microserv Rubens Kuhl wrote: Which makes an interesting dilemma: 1 20 MHz channel versus 2 10 MHz channels, TDD x FDD. My guess: TDD wil work better for short distances due to ACK timing, FDD for larger distance will perform better, but this is strongly traffic pattern dependent. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
Tom at Roc Noc has a backhaul with one. Don't use dual nstreme - use ospf to bridge the two. On 7/17/09, my_em...@webjogger.net my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
What kind of channels size are you goiNg to use? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 17, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Tom at Roc Noc has a backhaul with one. Don't use dual nstreme - use ospf to bridge the two. On 7/17/09, my_em...@webjogger.net my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
You don't have enough spectrum to do that. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: my_em...@webjogger.net my_em...@webjogger.net Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:08:16 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3 I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
Hi All! I've been lurking a while on the list, and knew some of you at last chat session. My solution of choice for this is using OSPF with unqueal costs, inverted on RX and TX: cost 1 - cost 2 cost 2 - cost 1 This will achieve a high real word throughput because TCP traffic generates the same amount of packets per second in either direction, and Wi-Fi based radios are very pps limited. You won't be able to get 25+25=50 Mbps Iperf tests, but it will give performance for dealing with real IP traffic. In case of any failures, all traffic will still flow via surviving radio. If you still need twice the throughput then, doing a 4 radio scenario would be fine: cost 1 - cost 2 cost 1 - cost 2 cost 2 - cost 1 cost 2 - cost 1 Links with equal costs will be balanced by OSPF. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Tom at Roc Noc has a backhaul with one. Don't use dual nstreme - use ospf to bridge the two. On 7/17/09, my_em...@webjogger.net my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
Which makes an interesting dilemma: 1 20 MHz channel versus 2 10 MHz channels, TDD x FDD. My guess: TDD wil work better for short distances due to ACK timing, FDD for larger distance will perform better, but this is strongly traffic pattern dependent. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Nstreme using XR3
I have a 73 mile link using Mikrotik with SR5 cards using a 20mhz channel. I can get 26Mbps (compared with 30Mbps on a 10 mile link). A single 20mhz channel is much easier to setup, troubleshoot, etc. Travis Microserv Rubens Kuhl wrote: Which makes an interesting dilemma: 1 20 MHz channel versus 2 10 MHz channels, TDD x FDD. My guess: TDD wil work better for short distances due to ACK timing, FDD for larger distance will perform better, but this is strongly traffic pattern dependent. Rubens On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: There is only room for a single 20mhz channel using 3.65ghz. About 30Mbps is the max you are going to get. Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I was wondering if anyone has setup a Mikrotik Dual Nstreme link using the Ubiquiti XR3 (3.65GHz) cards? I have a PTP link setup currently with these XR3 cards and I'm getting about 21Mbps in each direction with TCP and about 29Mbps with UDP. I was wondering kind of increased performance will I get in any given direction if I add to more radios (and antennas) and switch to Dual Nstreme. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
