Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Barnes
I have had some poor results with dual wan routers for SOHO.  Load balancing
really causes issues due to connection switching in the middle of a session.
Fail over works OK generally but never seen one that you can separate
in-bound and out-bound to different wans.  Suppose if you set WAN1 as the
Primary and wan2 as failover and setup VPN to access the IP on WAN2 it
should work as long as the firmware rev likes that config.  Interesting
idea.  Sounds like it should function as long as the DSL is stable and
doesn't cause lots of failovers.  Again I would not Load Balance them.

Steve Barnes
Executive Manager
PCS-WIN
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
(765)584-2288

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Subject: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
redundancy.

I've been investigating this Netgear unit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122149Tpk=FVX538NA

It seems to be fairly affordable but would like to know what everyone
else has found to work well.

Thanks,
Eric




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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Larry A Weidig
We have been using the Linksys RV042 and RV082 routers which
both have dual WAN ports.  We have had good success with these.  The
only difference being 4 10/100 or 8 10/100 ports.  Hope this helps!

Larry

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Subject: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
redundancy.

I've been investigating this Netgear unit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122149Tpk=FVX5
38NA

It seems to be fairly affordable but would like to know what everyone
else has found to work well.

Thanks,
Eric




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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Scott Reed
Mikrotik.  The new 433 board will support 3 Ethernet and 3 wireless cards. 
Full routing, VPN server/client, ...

Eric Merkel wrote:
 Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
 a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
 VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
 redundancy.

 I've been investigating this Netgear unit.
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122149Tpk=FVX538NA

 It seems to be fairly affordable but would like to know what everyone
 else has found to work well.

 Thanks,
 Eric


 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Steve Barnes wrote:

 Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
 a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
 VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
 redundancy.

Standard get a Mikrotik spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may cost a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Dennis Burgess
We did do a location with 3 DSL Providers, 4 DSLs on EACH provider with
Mikrotik, a PowerRouter and Procurve switch.  Works great!  

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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Steve Barnes wrote:

 Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
 a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
 VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
 redundancy.

Standard get a Mikrotik spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may cost a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
You could always pay Butch Evans to set it up.

Kurt Fankhauser
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Steve Barnes wrote:

 Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
 a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
 VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
 redundancy.

Standard get a Mikrotik spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may cost a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Eric Merkel
Does Mikrotik have the dead gateway feature? Basically it pings the
gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
something more geared to the small office market where the customer
may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
want some simple load balancing/failover.

-Eric

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Steve Barnes wrote:

 Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
 a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
 VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
 redundancy.

 Standard get a Mikrotik spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has
 essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get
 the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If
 they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

 The first time, it may cost a bit more because you have to factor in
 your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same
 thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Travis Johnson




Hi,

How does this work if they are using a real subnet "inside" their
network that is supplied by one of the providers?

Travis
Microserv

Dennis Burgess wrote:

  We did do a location with 3 DSL Providers, 4 DSLs on EACH provider with
Mikrotik, a PowerRouter and Procurve switch.  Works great!  

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Steve Barnes wrote:

  
  
Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
redundancy.

  
  
Standard "get a Mikrotik" spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may "cost" a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Randy Cosby
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Routing

Quite a few examples and ideas of how to do this.  Maybe this would be a 
good place to start.  If these look like more than you want to bite off, 
hire an expert, or buy a pre-configured unit like a Linksys.


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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Dennis Burgess
Have to use BGP for that,  assuming that a DSL Provider allows that, and
most don't.  This was just load balancing and failover. 

 

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Hi,

How does this work if they are using a real subnet inside their network
that is supplied by one of the providers?

Travis
Microserv

Dennis Burgess wrote: 

We did do a location with 3 DSL Providers, 4 DSLs on EACH provider with
Mikrotik, a PowerRouter and Procurve switch.  Works great!  
 
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:08 AM
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Steve Barnes wrote:
 
  

Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
redundancy.


 
Standard get a Mikrotik spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.
 
The first time, it may cost a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.
 
David Smith
MVN.net
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Dennis Burgess
We can do this for you if you wish.  

Dennis M. Burgess
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
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We did do a location with 3 DSL Providers, 4 DSLs on EACH provider with
Mikrotik, a PowerRouter and Procurve switch.  Works great!  

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Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

Steve Barnes wrote:

 Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
 a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
 VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
 redundancy.

Standard get a Mikrotik spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has 
essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get 
the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If 
they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

The first time, it may cost a bit more because you have to factor in 
your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same 
thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

David Smith
MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Eric Merkel
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does Mikrotik have the dead gateway feature? Basically it pings the
 gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
 interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
 dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
 something more geared to the small office market where the customer
 may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
 want some simple load balancing/failover.

 -Eric


No one specifically answered, but does MT use a dead gateway feature
like the other dual WAN routers or is everyone talking about using
dynamic routing protocols (OSPF, BGP)?

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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread David E. Smith
Eric Merkel wrote:
 Does Mikrotik have the dead gateway feature?

Yup. When creating routes, there are a few options under 
check-gateway, including ping (if the gateway for a given route 
isn't pingable it isn't used).


Travis Johnson wrote:
 How does this work if they are using a real subnet inside their
 network that is supplied by one of the providers?

That's gonna be a problem, but you'd have that problem with any dual-WAN 
router. Unless their allocation is large enough that you could set up 
BGP, and get the second ISP to announce the first ISP's address space, 
but good luck with that. That usually implies a /24 (minimum), and a 
customer that large will probably have other exciting requirements anyway.

If they're running servers at their location that are accessed by the 
outside world, unless you use something like Dynamic DNS, they'll have 
the same problem with dual-WAN and failover. This is a great opportunity 
to sell them hosting or colocation :P


David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Scott Reed
Yes, you can setup the dead gateway feature.
Check out the MT site for how-to documents and a list of consultants 
that can help.

Eric Merkel wrote:
 Does Mikrotik have the dead gateway feature? Basically it pings the
 gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
 interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
 dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
 something more geared to the small office market where the customer
 may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
 want some simple load balancing/failover.

 -Eric

 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Steve Barnes wrote:

 
 Anyone have any recommendations on a dual wan router? We plan to setup
 a customer on DSL and wireless and use the wireless for terminating
 VPN traffic and DSL for internet traffic and then failover for
 redundancy.
   
 Standard get a Mikrotik spiel goes here. One of my subscribers has
 essentially this very same setup, and while it was a bit tricky to get
 the failover to work initially, it's worked perfectly ever since. If
 they're a small office, one of the ~$200 boards will work just fine.

 The first time, it may cost a bit more because you have to factor in
 your time on the learning curve, but after that you can re-sell the same
 thing to other users and all the hard work is already done.

 David Smith
 MVN.net


 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm pretty sure they do, but I'm not the expert.


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 On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does Mikrotik have the dead gateway feature? Basically it pings the
 gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
 interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
 dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
 something more geared to the small office market where the customer
 may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
 want some simple load balancing/failover.

 -Eric


 No one specifically answered, but does MT use a dead gateway feature
 like the other dual WAN routers or is everyone talking about using
 dynamic routing protocols (OSPF, BGP)?

 -Eric


 
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Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router

2008-05-16 Thread Matt Hardy
Yes you can setup this feature in the Routes section for failover, you
can create two routes with different Distances and have the lower
distance route use the Check Gateway ping feature. 
If it quits pinging it will switch to the route with the higher distance
setting.

As far as load balancing, you'll have to setup mangle rules to handle
this. There are examples in the wiki for this as well.

-Matt

On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 17:00 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:

 I'm pretty sure they do, but I'm not the expert.
 
 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual WAN Router
 
 
  On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Does Mikrotik have the dead gateway feature? Basically it pings the
  gateway on the interface and if it fails only uses the remaining
  interface for new sessions? I am not looking for a solution that uses
  dynamic routing protocols such as BGP or OSPF. I am looking for
  something more geared to the small office market where the customer
  may have two connections not necessarily both connected with us and
  want some simple load balancing/failover.
 
  -Eric
 
 
  No one specifically answered, but does MT use a dead gateway feature
  like the other dual WAN routers or is everyone talking about using
  dynamic routing protocols (OSPF, BGP)?
 
  -Eric
 
 
  
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