Re: [WISPA] FBI Seeks To Pay Telecoms For Data

2007-07-29 Thread Michael Erskine
The FBI wants to pay the major telecommunications companies to retain their customers' Internet and phone call information for at least two years for the agency's use in counterterrorism investigations and is asking Congress for $5 million a year to defray the cost, according to FBI

Re: [WISPA] FBI Seeks To Pay Telecoms For Data

2007-07-29 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The problem (as I see it) is that it will start with just the AAA, and then it will be all emails, then all IM, then all voip. Where will it end? That is why I think the cost of it should be on the ISP and should be very clearly explained in the TOS/AUP. Government funding for it will lead to

Re: [WISPA] FBI Seeks To Pay Telecoms For Data

2007-07-29 Thread Michael Erskine
Now, there is a well reasoned argument if I have ever heard one. Make the ISP pay for it and thereby ensure that the ISP protects the privacy of his customers. Good argument Jeromie, very good argument. I yield to a more reasoned argument and I agree with you. -m- Jeromie Reeves wrote:

Re: [WISPA] FBI Seeks To Pay Telecoms For Data

2007-07-26 Thread Michael Erskine
No, Peter. This was not off topic. I just deleted the rest of my response. I figure that I don't really have to explain my opinion to you. -m- Peter R. wrote: Well, this was totally off topic. Nothing better to improve relationships than anti-gov't chatter on an open, archived list.

Re: [WISPA] FBI Seeks To Pay Telecoms For Data

2007-07-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
UHG!!! What a waste of resources. Can anyone point to even ONE terrorist that has even been sniffed out due to data from an ISP? I did a few quick Google searches and no case has popped up. IMO terrorist groups have show that they know how to operate and not leave a trail that leads anyplace

Re: [WISPA] FBI Seeks To Pay Telecoms For Data

2007-07-25 Thread Jack Unger
Jeromie, While personally I agree with your view, I don't believe WISPA has an official stance or an official position on this subject as yet. Keep in mind that this news item http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/24/AR2007072402479.html just appeared in print

Re: [WISPA] FBI Seeks To Pay Telecoms For Data

2007-07-25 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On 7/25/07, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeromie, While personally I agree with your view, I don't believe WISPA has an official stance or an official position on this subject as yet. Keep in mind that this news item

Re: [WISPA] FBI Seeks To Pay Telecoms For Data

2007-07-25 Thread Michael Erskine
Jeromie; I am writing this before reading the rest of the thread. Please be patient with me. UHG!!! What a waste of resources. Can anyone point to even ONE terrorist that has even been sniffed out due to data from an ISP? I did a few quick Google searches and no case has popped up. I