Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-22 Thread John J. Thomas
Cisco AP 1242 Radios have 5.4 GHz as an option in the current flash. John -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 04:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ? Travis, Are saying you

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-22 Thread George Rogato
John J. Thomas wrote: Cisco AP 1242 Radios have 5.4 GHz as an option in the current flash. John When we were at the fcc talking with Julius Knapp, he said there was a couple manufacturers who have already certified 5.4 systems in the US. Not sure why we never thought about Cisco.

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-20 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
this stuff got their experience in the first place? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ? I think everyone is missing

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-19 Thread Brian Webster
this stuff got their experience in the first place? Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ? I think everyone is missing

Re: NON U.S. and Canada WISPs? was RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ...

2007-02-19 Thread Carl A jeptha
] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingsticker conscious or not?? You know Patrick, I for the most part have respect for you and your opinion, but when it comes to this issue you are so blinded by it you don't even stop to think about your reply. I stated it that way because I have

using equipment from overseas companies Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-19 Thread Mario Pommier
Hi, The following question seems germaine to this thread. Who would I talk to at the FCC about the following: -- if I want to use equipment from an overseas-based manufacturer, where would I go to or who could I talk to at the FCC to know certification procedures, equipment allowed or not

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simplyabout beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-19 Thread Steve Stroh
Mark: But, the FACT of the matter is by slapping together that collection of pieces to make a radio that you will deploy for commercial, revenue service as a telecommunications service provider is ILLEGAL. You make a compelling case that the pieces parts systems you're describing are

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simplyabout beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-19 Thread wispa
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:58:02 -0800, Steve Stroh wrote Mark: But, the FACT of the matter is by slapping together that collection of pieces to make a radio that you will deploy for commercial, revenue service as a telecommunications service provider is ILLEGAL. But Steve, many of these

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-19 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingstickerconscious

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Mac Dearman
Hold your Horses there Sir Patrick! There was one comment that used that in their post - I don't think that we as an industry have evolved to that level of degradation in dealing with the laws of the land air. There will always be renegades in every avenue of life, but we are not in that

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However, Patrick has once again, been the HIGH MiGHTY, and jumped all over my one phrase. I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my in tensions, other than I

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread George Rogato
rabbtux rabbtux wrote: I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However, Patrick has once again, been the HIGH MiGHTY, and jumped all over my one phrase. I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread George Rogato
Oh, let me add one thing though, the members only list is free of vendors pitching their wares or bragging about their past or trying to influence through propaganda.. Of course it's only open to paying WISPA members. But it is fairly private. George Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Patrick, Please just pick up the phone and contact the FCC yourself. Apply for the job, get a shiny badge and go out on the range to take down all of the Illegal wisps you see out there. Every other email from you on this list (even when the thread starts with someone asking for advice)

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Steve Stroh
Your competitors thank you for ignoring some of the best gear on the market. I'm not an Alvarion proponent, or apologist. There's lots of other good gear on the market that's the equal of Alvarion. But in no other segment of the telecommunications industry are BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL,

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread George Rogato
Steve, problem is not in Patricks message, for sure they are real and we should be thankful that he wants to help. Issue as I see it is, he dominates the list more than some care to read as a vendor. If he toned it down some, he would be doing himself justice. Also, Although Alvarion is a

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being sticker conscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
-snip- That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 -- that's cheap. -snip- Patrick, your input on low cost 5.8 CPEs is appreciated. Please let me know where I can purchase 5.8G CPEs at $170? We need to

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Peter R.
Many of you probably don't follow the FCC much, so let me tell you about the stroke of a pen: UNE-P which was the magic bullet for CLECs. No facilities needed. Rock bottom pricing on voice lines. Market and sell. Z-Tel and a few others had over 500k lines. Unfortunately, they didn't listen

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, You make good points... however, the better question is how much money did Z-Tel take out of the business during this time? I would bet the owners and investors made BIG money during this time... so, so what if they are out of business now? If they made millions during that time, then it

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread John Scrivner
Travis, Are saying you are using 5.4 GHz radios in the US? Scriv Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, You make good points... however, the better question is how much money did Z-Tel take out of the business during this time? I would bet the owners and investors made BIG money during this time... so,

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Peter R.
Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, You make good points... however, the better question is how much money did Z-Tel take out of the business during this time? I would bet the owners and investors made BIG money during this time... so, so what if they are out of business now? If they made millions

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread J. Vogel
John, Maybe I missed something, but how do you get from Travis' statement that any user could do it, to questioning Travis as to whether that was a claim to have done it himself? John Vogel John Scrivner wrote: Travis, Are saying you are using 5.4 GHz radios in the US? Scriv Travis

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Brad Belton
and overreaching comment from John Scrivner. Talk about FUD. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Vogel Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ? John, Maybe I

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Dearman Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingstickerconscious or not?? Hold your Horses there Sir Patrick! There was one comment that used that in their post - I don't think that we as an industry have

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread George Rogato
: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Travis Johnson
No. I am saying anyone with an internet account, credit card and shipping address could purchase 5.4ghz equipment TODAY and deploy it TODAY. Granted its not FCC certified and not technically legal right now... but, it could be done. Travis John Scrivner wrote: Travis, Are saying you are

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Patrick Leary
:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingstickerconscious or not?? I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However, Patrick has once again, been the HIGH

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingsticker conscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingsticker conscious or not?? -snip- That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 -- that's cheap. -snip- Patrick, your input on low cost 5.8

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simplyabout beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Patrick Leary
To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingstickerconscious or not?? Hold your Horses there Sir Patrick! There was one comment that used that in their post - I don't think that we as an industry have evolved to that level of degradation

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingsticker conscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingsticker conscious or not?? -snip- That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simplyabout beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread George Rogato
Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread John Scrivner
I was honestly not sure what he was saying. For all I know he was saying these are available in legal form at this price. I have heard they are out there and that there are two which have been certified for legal use in the Us but nobody has ever said what brand they are, who sells them, what

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simplyabout beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread George Rogato
Rogato Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simplyabout beingstickerconscious or not?? Ho ho ho Patrick, So, to add to the list of reasons why a lot of wisps use uncertified gear. One reason that was exposed

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simplyabout beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread wispa
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:52:04 -0800, Patrick Leary wrote George, ones person's innovation is something that might another person nothing but migraines. If you think you getting cutting edge innovation and state of the art technology from the uncertified manufacturers I don't know what to tell

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply aboutbeingsticker conscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Patrick Leary
] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply aboutbeingsticker conscious or not?? Great. I looked into it. From

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simplyabout beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingstickerconscious or not?? Hold your Horses there Sir Patrick! There was one comment that used that in their post - I don't think that we as an industry have evolved to that level of degradation in dealing with the laws

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Tom DeReggi
Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ? I was honestly not sure what he was saying

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules arenow simplyabout beingstickerconscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Patrick Leary
: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules arenow simplyabout

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being sticker conscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Sam Tetherow
You know Patrick, I for the most part have respect for you and your opinion, but when it comes to this issue you are so blinded by it you don't even stop to think about your reply. I stated it that way because I have absolutely no idea if rabbtux rabbtux is in the US or not. It is a gmail

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Peter R.
wispa wrote: Once we're a regulated industry, and at this point the FCC and Congress are SERIOUSLY attempting to take control the WISP and ISP business, we exist, or we do not exist, at the stroke of a pen, totally at the WHIM of someone who neither knows, nor cares, whether we live or die,

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Sam Tetherow
How true, how true. It is just a question of how much regulation Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Peter R. wrote: wispa wrote: Once we're a regulated industry, and at this point the FCC and Congress are SERIOUSLY attempting to take control the WISP and ISP business, we exist, or

NON U.S. and Canada WISPs? was RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ...

2007-02-18 Thread Patrick Leary
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about beingsticker conscious or not?? You know Patrick, I for the most part have respect for you and your opinion, but when it comes to this issue you are so blinded by it you don't even stop to think about your reply. I stated

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
I think everyone is missing the real problem with 5.4ghz. How big of a piece of crap is our military radar that a $49 minipci wireless card and a homemade pringles antenna can render it useless??? ;^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com J. Vogel wrote: Fair enough. I might have been a little on

RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ?????

2007-02-18 Thread Patrick Leary
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules ? I think everyone is missing the real problem with 5.4ghz. How big of a piece of crap is our military radar that a $49 minipci wireless card and a homemade pringles antenna can render it useless??? ;^) Matt Larsen

Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply aboutbeingsticker conscious or not??

2007-02-18 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply