Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Eric Merkel
Have your CLEC call them and make sure it is not just a routing issue
or problem in their phone switch. We've run into this quite a bit with
rural telco's in our area. If they are truly blocking calls to your
numbers, complain to your state's public utility comission ASAP!

-Eric

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ross Cornett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

  Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
  territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling those
  numbers

  Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

  We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We get
  our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from our
  Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to our
  inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
  Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
  office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

  By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois has
  been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about their
  assistance...

  My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my office
  will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



  Ross E. Cornett
  HofNet Communications, Inc.


  
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  soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
  the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
  Spirit reap life everlasting.
  
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Ross Cornett
We found that ICTC (Illinois Consolidated Telephone Company) and Frontier 
use the same tandem in Mattoon illinois... Frontier will pass calls from 
Frontier to ICTC... However, when we port a number from ICTC, they will not 
hand the call over to heartland communications, which is our new VOIP 
provider...   I called the ICC(Illinois Commerce Commission) they told me I 
had to call the FCC they told me until I contacted a lawyer and they would 
not talk to me... I can't believe the red tape...

In the meantime, I have customers in Frontier Communications, that are 
losing service due to this mishap...


_
Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man 
soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of 
the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the 
Spirit reap life everlasting.
_
- Original Message - 
From: Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Have your CLEC call them and make sure it is not just a routing issue
 or problem in their phone switch. We've run into this quite a bit with
 rural telco's in our area. If they are truly blocking calls to your
 numbers, complain to your state's public utility comission ASAP!

 -Eric

 On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ross Cornett
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

  Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
  territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling 
 those
  numbers

  Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

  We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We 
 get
  our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from 
 our
  Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to 
 our
  inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
  Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
  office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

  By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois has
  been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about 
 their
  assistance...

  My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my 
 office
  will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



  Ross E. Cornett
  HofNet Communications, Inc.


 
 _
  Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a 
 man
  soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall 
 of
  the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
  Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
 _
  ___


  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown
No, this is not legal.  Call the FCC enforcement bureau.

- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:53 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

 Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
 territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling 
 those
 numbers

 Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

 We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We get
 our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from 
 our
 Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to our
 inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
 Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
 office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

 By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois has
 been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about 
 their
 assistance...

 My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my office
 will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



 Ross E. Cornett
 HofNet Communications, Inc.


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Jory Privett
Get proof of what is happening and any/all documentation that you can. 
Sounds like a major law suit to me.

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 We found that ICTC (Illinois Consolidated Telephone Company) and Frontier
 use the same tandem in Mattoon illinois... Frontier will pass calls from
 Frontier to ICTC... However, when we port a number from ICTC, they will 
 not
 hand the call over to heartland communications, which is our new VOIP
 provider...   I called the ICC(Illinois Commerce Commission) they told me 
 I
 had to call the FCC they told me until I contacted a lawyer and they would
 not talk to me... I can't believe the red tape...

 In the meantime, I have customers in Frontier Communications, that are
 losing service due to this mishap...


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
 _
 - Original Message - 
 From: Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our 
 VOIP


 Have your CLEC call them and make sure it is not just a routing issue
 or problem in their phone switch. We've run into this quite a bit with
 rural telco's in our area. If they are truly blocking calls to your
 numbers, complain to your state's public utility comission ASAP!

 -Eric

 On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ross Cornett
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

  Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
  territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling
 those
  numbers

  Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

  We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We
 get
  our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from
 our
  Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to
 our
  inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
  Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
  office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

  By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois 
 has
  been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about
 their
  assistance...

  My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my
 office
  will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



  Ross E. Cornett
  HofNet Communications, Inc.



 _
  Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a
 man
  soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall
 of
  the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of 
 the
  Spirit reap life everlasting.

 _
  ___


  
 
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Mike Hammett
You actually got VoIP out of Heartland?  I tried literally dozens of times 
to get something from them.

What do you pay?


--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

 Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
 territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling 
 those
 numbers

 Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

 We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We get
 our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from 
 our
 Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to our
 inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
 Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
 office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

 By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois has
 been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about 
 their
 assistance...

 My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my office
 will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



 Ross E. Cornett
 HofNet Communications, Inc.


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd agree to check into the routing issue.  I know we've had routing issues 
from time to time, usually on new deployments.


--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Have your CLEC call them and make sure it is not just a routing issue
 or problem in their phone switch. We've run into this quite a bit with
 rural telco's in our area. If they are truly blocking calls to your
 numbers, complain to your state's public utility comission ASAP!

 -Eric

 On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ross Cornett
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

  Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
  territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling 
 those
  numbers

  Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

  We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We 
 get
  our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from 
 our
  Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to 
 our
  inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
  Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
  office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

  By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois has
  been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about 
 their
  assistance...

  My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my 
 office
  will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



  Ross E. Cornett
  HofNet Communications, Inc.


 
 _
  Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a 
 man
  soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall 
 of
  the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
  Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Ross Cornett
Out of respect for them and due to our contract we are currently engauged 
with, we cannot divuldge that information.  I will say that they have really 
been wonderful for our business.  I cannot say enough good about them.

Yes we are able to do VOIP.


_
Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man 
soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of 
the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the 
Spirit reap life everlasting.
_
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 You actually got VoIP out of Heartland?  I tried literally dozens of times
 to get something from them.

 What do you pay?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:53 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

 Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
 territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling
 those
 numbers

 Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

 We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We get
 our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from
 our
 Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to our
 inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
 Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
 office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

 By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois has
 been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about
 their
 assistance...

 My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my 
 office
 will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



 Ross E. Cornett
 HofNet Communications, Inc.


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a 
 man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Darn...

I know they once told me $30 and I told them to fly a kite.  I get service 
from someone else in rural Illinois for $8 all inclusive, $3 in the suburbs 
all inclusive, $1 for a bare number in the rural areas, and pennies in the 
suburbs for a bare number.


--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Out of respect for them and due to our contract we are currently engauged
 with, we cannot divuldge that information.  I will say that they have 
 really
 been wonderful for our business.  I cannot say enough good about them.

 Yes we are able to do VOIP.


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
 _
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our 
 VOIP


 You actually got VoIP out of Heartland?  I tried literally dozens of 
 times
 to get something from them.

 What do you pay?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:53 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

 Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
 territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling
 those
 numbers

 Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

 We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We 
 get
 our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from
 our
 Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to 
 our
 inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
 Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
 office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

 By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois has
 been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about
 their
 assistance...

 My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my
 office
 will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



 Ross E. Cornett
 HofNet Communications, Inc.


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a
 man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall 
 of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Larry Yunker
Do you know whether Heartland is set up as a CLEC in Illinois?  Do they have
switches in the LATA that from which you are trying to port numbers?  If
not, do they have an agreement with a CLEC or ILEC that does have switching
capability in that LATA?

Under the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC's) local number
portability (LNP) rules, so long as you remain in the same geographic area,
you can switch telephone service providers and keep your existing phone
number.  I've heard of telco's claiming non-portability of numbers based on
the fact that a Vo-IP provider is actually not in the same geographic area
in that the Vo-IP provider had no facilities and no partners in that
geographic area.

ALSO Note: Certain small wireline companies may have an exemption from the
porting requirements if they have received a waiver from their state public
service commission.

Larry Yunker, Network Consultant
WISP Advantage
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ross Cornett
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:21 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

We found that ICTC (Illinois Consolidated Telephone Company) and Frontier 
use the same tandem in Mattoon illinois... Frontier will pass calls from 
Frontier to ICTC... However, when we port a number from ICTC, they will not 
hand the call over to heartland communications, which is our new VOIP 
provider...   I called the ICC(Illinois Commerce Commission) they told me I 
had to call the FCC they told me until I contacted a lawyer and they would 
not talk to me... I can't believe the red tape...

In the meantime, I have customers in Frontier Communications, that are 
losing service due to this mishap...



_
Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man 
soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of 
the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the 
Spirit reap life everlasting.

_
- Original Message - 
From: Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Have your CLEC call them and make sure it is not just a routing issue
 or problem in their phone switch. We've run into this quite a bit with
 rural telco's in our area. If they are truly blocking calls to your
 numbers, complain to your state's public utility comission ASAP!

 -Eric

 On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ross Cornett
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

  Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
  territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling 
 those
  numbers

  Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

  We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We 
 get
  our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from 
 our
  Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to 
 our
  inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
  Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
  office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

  By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois has
  been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about 
 their
  assistance...

  My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my 
 office
  will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



  Ross E. Cornett
  HofNet Communications, Inc.


 


_
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 man
  soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall 
 of
  the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
  Spirit reap life everlasting.
 


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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Ross Cornett
Glad to know... thanks


_
Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man 
soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of 
the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the 
Spirit reap life everlasting.
_
- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Darn...

 I know they once told me $30 and I told them to fly a kite.  I get service
 from someone else in rural Illinois for $8 all inclusive, $3 in the 
 suburbs
 all inclusive, $1 for a bare number in the rural areas, and pennies in the
 suburbs for a bare number.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our 
 VOIP


 Out of respect for them and due to our contract we are currently engauged
 with, we cannot divuldge that information.  I will say that they have
 really
 been wonderful for our business.  I cannot say enough good about them.

 Yes we are able to do VOIP.


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a 
 man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
 _
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our
 VOIP


 You actually got VoIP out of Heartland?  I tried literally dozens of
 times
 to get something from them.

 What do you pay?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:53 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

 Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
 territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling
 those
 numbers

 Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

 We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We
 get
 our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from
 our
 Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to
 our
 inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
 Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
 office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

 By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois 
 has
 been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about
 their
 assistance...

 My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my
 office
 will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



 Ross E. Cornett
 HofNet Communications, Inc.


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a
 man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall
 of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of 
 the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Their OCN is 3808.  They are a CLEC that serves most of rural Illinois.


--
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Do you know whether Heartland is set up as a CLEC in Illinois?  Do they 
 have
 switches in the LATA that from which you are trying to port numbers?  If
 not, do they have an agreement with a CLEC or ILEC that does have 
 switching
 capability in that LATA?

 Under the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC's) local number
 portability (LNP) rules, so long as you remain in the same geographic 
 area,
 you can switch telephone service providers and keep your existing phone
 number.  I've heard of telco's claiming non-portability of numbers based 
 on
 the fact that a Vo-IP provider is actually not in the same geographic 
 area
 in that the Vo-IP provider had no facilities and no partners in that
 geographic area.

 ALSO Note: Certain small wireline companies may have an exemption from the
 porting requirements if they have received a waiver from their state 
 public
 service commission.

 Larry Yunker, Network Consultant
 WISP Advantage
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Ross Cornett
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our 
 VOIP

 We found that ICTC (Illinois Consolidated Telephone Company) and Frontier
 use the same tandem in Mattoon illinois... Frontier will pass calls from
 Frontier to ICTC... However, when we port a number from ICTC, they will 
 not
 hand the call over to heartland communications, which is our new VOIP
 provider...   I called the ICC(Illinois Commerce Commission) they told me 
 I
 had to call the FCC they told me until I contacted a lawyer and they would
 not talk to me... I can't believe the red tape...

 In the meantime, I have customers in Frontier Communications, that are
 losing service due to this mishap...


 
 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
 _
 - Original Message - 
 From: Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our 
 VOIP


 Have your CLEC call them and make sure it is not just a routing issue
 or problem in their phone switch. We've run into this quite a bit with
 rural telco's in our area. If they are truly blocking calls to your
 numbers, complain to your state's public utility comission ASAP!

 -Eric

 On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ross Cornett
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

  Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
  territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling
 those
  numbers

  Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

  We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We
 get
  our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from
 our
  Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to
 our
  inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
  Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
  office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

  By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois 
 has
  been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about
 their
  assistance...

  My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my
 office
  will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



  Ross E. Cornett
  HofNet Communications, Inc.




 
 _
  Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a
 man
  soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall
 of
  the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of 
 the
  Spirit reap life everlasting

Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, I should qualify that...  those are for inbound.  They don't include 
outbound calling of any kind (other than 911).


--
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Glad to know... thanks


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
 _
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our 
 VOIP


 Darn...

 I know they once told me $30 and I told them to fly a kite.  I get 
 service
 from someone else in rural Illinois for $8 all inclusive, $3 in the
 suburbs
 all inclusive, $1 for a bare number in the rural areas, and pennies in 
 the
 suburbs for a bare number.


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our
 VOIP


 Out of respect for them and due to our contract we are currently 
 engauged
 with, we cannot divuldge that information.  I will say that they have
 really
 been wonderful for our business.  I cannot say enough good about them.

 Yes we are able to do VOIP.


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a
 man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall 
 of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
 _
 - Original Message - 
 From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our
 VOIP


 You actually got VoIP out of Heartland?  I tried literally dozens of
 times
 to get something from them.

 What do you pay?


 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message - 
 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:53 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

 Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
 territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling
 those
 numbers

 Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

 We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We
 get
 our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched 
 from
 our
 Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to
 our
 inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
 Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling 
 our
 office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

 By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois
 has
 been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about
 their
 assistance...

 My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my
 office
 will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my 
 office



 Ross E. Cornett
 HofNet Communications, Inc.


 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a
 man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall
 of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of
 the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
 _
 ___


 
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Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP

2008-04-10 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
You cannot port across rate center boundaries and in some cases you cannot 
port outside the wirecenter.

- Original Message - 
From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our VOIP


 Do you know whether Heartland is set up as a CLEC in Illinois?  Do they 
 have
 switches in the LATA that from which you are trying to port numbers?  If
 not, do they have an agreement with a CLEC or ILEC that does have 
 switching
 capability in that LATA?

 Under the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC's) local number
 portability (LNP) rules, so long as you remain in the same geographic 
 area,
 you can switch telephone service providers and keep your existing phone
 number.  I've heard of telco's claiming non-portability of numbers based 
 on
 the fact that a Vo-IP provider is actually not in the same geographic 
 area
 in that the Vo-IP provider had no facilities and no partners in that
 geographic area.

 ALSO Note: Certain small wireline companies may have an exemption from the
 porting requirements if they have received a waiver from their state 
 public
 service commission.

 Larry Yunker, Network Consultant
 WISP Advantage
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Ross Cornett
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 12:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our 
 VOIP

 We found that ICTC (Illinois Consolidated Telephone Company) and Frontier
 use the same tandem in Mattoon illinois... Frontier will pass calls from
 Frontier to ICTC... However, when we port a number from ICTC, they will 
 not
 hand the call over to heartland communications, which is our new VOIP
 provider...   I called the ICC(Illinois Commerce Commission) they told me 
 I
 had to call the FCC they told me until I contacted a lawyer and they would
 not talk to me... I can't believe the red tape...

 In the meantime, I have customers in Frontier Communications, that are
 losing service due to this mishap...


 
 _
 Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man
 soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of
 the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the
 Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
 _
 - Original Message - 
 From: Eric Merkel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frontier communications is blocking access to our 
 VOIP


 Have your CLEC call them and make sure it is not just a routing issue
 or problem in their phone switch. We've run into this quite a bit with
 rural telco's in our area. If they are truly blocking calls to your
 numbers, complain to your state's public utility comission ASAP!

 -Eric

 On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ross Cornett
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone know of anything that can help me here?

  Frontier communciations is allowing us to port numbers out of their
  territory, but they are blocking callers from their areas from calling
 those
  numbers

  Is this legal?  Does anyone have any ideas that can help me...

  We are working with Heartland Communciations in Paducah Kentucky.  We
 get
  our bandwidth from them.  They also do our VOIP.  When we switched from
 our
  Illinois Consolidated telephone system a centrex system.  We moved to
 our
  inhouse VOIP provided by Heartland Communications in Paducah Kentucky.
  Frontier Communications started blocking their callers from calling our
  office and any dialup numbers we ported also...

  By the way Illinois Consolidated, an independant in Central Illinois 
 has
  been really nice working with us on this I can't say enough about
 their
  assistance...

  My dialups are going fast If I can't get a solutionlet alone my
 office
  will never be able to use the VOIP that I have fibered to my office



  Ross E. Cornett
  HofNet Communications, Inc.




 
 _
  Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a
 man
  soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall
 of
  the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of 
 the
  Spirit reap life everlasting.


 
 _
  ___



 
 
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