Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-02-14 Thread Troy Settle
-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi There is no more advantage to V vs. H with dual

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-02-14 Thread Mike Hammett
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi There is no more advantage to V vs. H with dual polarity equipment. More

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buyingBelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-02-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buyingBelAir, betting on Wi-Fi On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buyingBelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-02-10 Thread Jeromie Reeves
.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 1:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buyingBelAir, betting on Wi-Fi On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-02-06 Thread Jeremy L. Gaddis
On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:22 PM, John Scrivner wrote: Here are my predictions based partly upon the acquisitions we have seen of Atheros by Qualcomm and now this latest play into Wifi by otherwise generally licensed zealots of the mobile world: [snip] I predict we'll see all this come to pass

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-27 Thread Mike Hammett
Fiber to the AP is a great idea and the only way we will be able to meet customer demand. Within 1 year I don't think I'll have any towers that are more than 1 hop from fiber, with many directly on fiber. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/26/2012

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-27 Thread Gino Villarini
Fellas, build a business plan around and obvious need of the operators And remember that by wifi , they mean n and future versions which use 2.4 and 5.x ghz Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 27, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber to the AP

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-27 Thread Roger Howard
Fiber to the AP? Why not just do an 802.11ac gigabit backhaul link to the AP with the new Ubiquiti revolutionary radio? :) On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Fiber to the AP is a great idea and the only way we will be able to meet customer demand.

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-27 Thread John Scrivner
I am just making a prediction. I believe those with infrastructure in the air and the ground will be deploying these micro-cell platforms like crazy. Will you? Do you now? Scriv On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote: Fiber to the AP? Why not just do an

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-27 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd rather use spectrum to service customers, not towers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/27/2012 9:23 AM, Roger Howard wrote: Fiber to the AP? Why not just do an 802.11ac gigabit backhaul link to the AP with the new Ubiquiti revolutionary radio?

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-27 Thread Bret Clark
You can still use spectrum for customers as long as your back-haul links use antennas with small beam widths, or run your back-haul links in horizontal and customer links in vertical polarity. The fact that our infrastructure is 100% wireless (outside our Internet upstream links) has been a

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-27 Thread Mike Hammett
There is no more advantage to V vs. H with dual polarity equipment. More spectrum for customer access means more bits able to be moved. If I have a gig of wireless backhaul coming into a tower, that's a gig I could be using to make me money. I'd like to have 50 - 100 megabit plans for my

Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-27 Thread Brian Webster
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:37 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future of Wifi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi You can still use spectrum for customers

Re: [WISPA] Future of WiFi Offloading WAS: Ericsson is buying BelAir, betting on Wi-Fi

2012-01-26 Thread Brian Webster
John, I think this will happen faster than you predict. With the Lucent light radio being software defined the technology already exists to do this. Carrier engineering departments are just a bit slow to change. Carriers have to look at the Pico cell design to increase capacity by more

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-24 Thread John Scrivner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future We think so now, but is something that came out 5 years ago still good enough? Maybe, though I'm leaning towards no. 10 years? No way. Now, yes

Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE

2008-04-24 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0388456.htm OR http://tinyurl.com/66rnd5 The nation's largest online marketplace for licensed broadband wireless spectrum went live today, enabling businesses, government agencies and communications service providers to quickly and easily

Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE

2008-04-24 Thread Jack Unger
Thanks for the link; here are some quick thoughts... 1. Buying (or leasing) licensed spectrum sounds good... if the spectrum and equipment costs are affordable. 2. Wouldn't it be nice to have quick and easy, affordable access to spectrum that could be used for point-to-multipoint in a rural

Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE

2008-04-24 Thread George
This 28-31 GHz spectrum will probably only be useful for short-range work where there are absolutely no obstructions end-to-end (like in big city centers, etc.) jack What is the distance limitations and cost for PtP gear to do 28-31 GHz?

Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE

2008-04-24 Thread Stephen Patrick
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future -SPECTRUM MARKET PLACE Thanks for the link; here are some quick thoughts... 1. Buying (or leasing) licensed spectrum sounds good... if the spectrum and equipment costs are affordable. 2. Wouldn't it be nice to have quick and easy, affordable access to spectrum

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Jeff Broadwick
How could anyone ever get mad at you Marlon?!?! :-) Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I just got back a customer

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
open throttle. Customers love it. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, What speeds do you sell to your end customers at 128:1 oversub

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Gino Villarini
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future And what do you use to control that bandwidth? Chuck McCown wrote: We sell 10.2 Mbps burst service. And most of them actually get that speed. If they start streaming or downloading a large file, we throttle them down. Most are at 768. When

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Well Mike, the way I see it is that the sky has been falling my entire time as an ISP (over a decade now). WiMax is still a joke in the market place. 3G is too slow and too

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson
such a system. Main thing is to do it before the ILEC/RBOC does it. - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Well

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Joe Miller
PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Well Mike, the way I see it is that the sky has been falling my entire time as an ISP (over a decade now). WiMax is still a joke in the market place. 3G is too slow

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
case for building such a system. Main thing is to do it before the ILEC/RBOC does it. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Well Mike, the way I see

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Panaway. GPON - Original Message - From: Joe Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, I'm currently working a proposal for FTTH for a 654 unit developement. I would like to know

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Highly variable. TV content is costly. Everyone has different costs

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The fiber would be good for 20 years and is the most costly part, but the other pieces wouldn't be good for 20 years... I'd

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
on the begging leg of. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I have ONTs

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
of technology or protocol will. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future We think so now, but is something that came out 5 years ago still good enough? Maybe

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Jeff Booher
: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products. Throughput is about 26mb peak for the Airspan product on 10mhz channels, and 22mb on the Aperto product in 7mhz channels. Also, there are ways to get around

Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
- From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity So what does all the below mean in practice? Well, a typical arrangement, at least for our customers, in the 2.5

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
, April 23, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future comments inline. On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? Not to my knowedge. Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on say a 10 meg client? Certainly. What does

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
, April 23, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future comments inline. On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? Not to my knowedge. Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on say a 10 meg client? Certainly. What does

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Clint Ricker
it. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Well Mike, the way I see it is that the sky has been falling my entire time as an ISP (over a decade now

Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity So what does all the below mean in practice? Well, a typical arrangement, at least for our customers, in the 2.5 GHz band is 3 sectors of 4th order diversity. That means one chassis with 3 blades. Each

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Tom DeReggi
Broadband - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Well Mike, the way I see it is that the sky has been falling my entire time as an ISP (over a decade now

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Stephen Patrick
== Cablefree Solutions Ltd, www.cablefreesolutions.com -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 April 2008 20:37 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future From a spectral efficiency standpoint, WiMax is better than anything

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
Another bankruptcy waiting to happen. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Patrick Leary
: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Another bankruptcy waiting to happen. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Patrick Leary
: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Regardless... my point is they have invested $40M and I am offering

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Tom DeReggi
- Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future That is not going to happen Tom. Not by a long shot. Nothing fly-by-night about anything Kelley Dunne and Bill Wallace

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Travis Johnson
those that have an outdoor CPE). Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:55 AM To: WISPA General Li

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Matt Liotta
:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Regardless... my point is they have invested $40M and I am offering higher speeds, for less money, with less cost per CPE and AP... and I have 10x the coverage they do in my market. The GM even mentioned and if Sprint or Clearwire were

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Cameron Kilton
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future My point was they are selling a 3mbps connection that doesn't deliver... just like the cable companies and telcos... they are no different. Fluff it all up and do whatever it takes to fool the customer so they will sign up. I don't like it and I think

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Travis Johnson
. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
- Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future One point you need to remember Travis is that that barely 1 mbps you are getting is with a self-install CPE

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future One point you need to remember Travis is that that barely 1 mbps you are getting is with a self-install CPE that was either mailed to you or you picked in a retail shop, correct? If so, you likely had it up

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Patrick Leary
: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future For all the props Patrick is giving them for a self-install CPE it would seem that the link budget isn't there for the service you ordered. Most likely a professionally installed outdoor CPE would work for you

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Matt Liotta
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future For all the props Patrick is giving them for a self-install CPE it would seem that the link budget

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Patrick Leary
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future We too rely heavily on software for determining the serviceability of the customer. As part of this our software takes into account not only antenna height and ground data, but also performs longley-rice loss calculations that include fresnel clearance

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread chris cooper
To follow up on the quote below- You'll have ups downs, but don't listen to the fear inside your head. I would listen very closely to the fear inside your head. Don't let it paralyze you, but listen to it. Fear is a great motivator and often prevents us from doing some very foolish things.

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Jeff Booher
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Jeff Booher
PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Mark Nash
, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future To follow up on the quote below- You'll have ups downs, but don't listen to the fear inside your head. I would listen very closely to the fear inside your head. Don't let it paralyze you, but listen to it. Fear is a great motivator and often

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products. Throughput is about

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Chuck McCown
speed. (more money too). - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread D. Ryan Spott
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future That is pretty much what we do on Motorola Canopy. 20 MHz channels. 128:1 (or less) over subscription 10 Mbps First AP and BH would be in the $5K range Second AP would be in the $2K range. (depending on antennas etc). We are waiting to see what the OFDM product

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Chuck McCown
: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, What speeds do you sell to your end customers at 128:1 oversub? (I am assuming that you never really go this high!) :) ryan -Original

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Randy Cosby
, they go back to wide open throttle. Customers love it. - Original Message - From: "D. Ryan Spott" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, What speeds do you sell t

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Chuck McCown
It is built into the Motorola Canopy platform. The AP and the SM do the throttling. - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future What do you use for throttling? Cisco policing? Mikrotik

Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity

2008-04-22 Thread Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on say a 10 meg client? What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)? What does it cost

Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity

2008-04-22 Thread Patrick Leary
Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity Mike, et al, As Jeff implied about coverage (and costs), with WiMAX it is all about diversity so let me try to explain it a bit. It is not so simple as one AP or two

Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity

2008-04-22 Thread Patrick Leary
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity So what does all the below mean in practice? Well, a typical arrangement, at least for our customers

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Well Mike, the way I see it is that the sky has been falling my entire time as an ISP (over a decade now). WiMax is still a joke in the market place. 3G is too slow and too expensive. 700 is not deployed in any level that matters and doesn't look like it will be any time soon. Cable is in

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future You forgot satellite which is picking up steam. Honestly. Now is the time to sell! (hence one of the reasons I sold last month.) Unless your servicing very rural area with almost

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future That is pretty much what we do on Motorola Canopy. 20 MHz channels. 128:1 (or less) over

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-22 Thread Mike Hammett
- From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, What speeds do you sell to your end customers at 128:1 oversub? (I am assuming that you never really go this high!) :) ryan

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-21 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their "up to 3meg premium service" and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested over the last 3 months). Here's the real

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-21 Thread Gino Villarini
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their up to 3meg premium service and we barely get 1meg (any time we have tested

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-21 Thread Travis Johnson
: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play with. We have their up to 3meg premium service

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-21 Thread Scott Reed
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-21 Thread Travis Johnson
Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-21 Thread Mark Nash
This depends on your market and how you're running your business. If you've made decisions that were risky and didn't pan out, and you're getting phone calls left and right and your kids don't see you... Sell and have a better life. For those of us who are working hard but not in crisis mode

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we play

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
time to come, and I agree 110%. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-21 Thread Travis Johnson
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Hi, A new player just came to my area... BridgeMaxx (a Digital Bridge company). They are using Alvarion WiMax equipment. We have a test radio that we

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2008-04-21 Thread Chuck McCown
WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially

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2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Regardless... my point is they have invested $40M and I am offering higher speeds, for less money, with less cost per CPE and AP... and I have 10x the coverage

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2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL

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2008-04-21 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70

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2008-04-21 Thread Brad Belton
This should be interesting... Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real

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2008-04-21 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS

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2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
than 802.11 or other UL PMP gear). Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real

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2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant

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2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss products (cold call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX gear. He avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that information yet. Redline was more

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2008-04-21 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
is supposed to be able to do this but we haven't been able to test it yet. - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Of course it would Chuck. But in the case

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2008-04-21 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
OK, so what is the answer to the question below? - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real

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2008-04-21 Thread Matt Liotta
] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed sub- canopy speeds beyond 7 miles. I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out

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2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Brad, that's bull. The only reason any Alvarion person won't say what the speed is is because they might not be sure, and since the 3650 is in beta, no one Can say with honesty and certainty what the speeds

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2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Speed is the only thing I have to sell. 5.4 has opened up plenty of BW for us now. I am fine with 20MHz channels

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2008-04-21 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I interrupt this posting by announcing my recent test with the ubiquity nano station 5 ... Using 20 mhz channels, 24 Mbps downlink , 12 Mbps uplink ... simultaneously ... not gad for a piece of $80

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2008-04-21 Thread Gino Villarini
A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I am

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2008-04-21 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
Right, so do you have a grid, graph or nomograph or something that can give us an idea? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I get that Chuck. I was just

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2008-04-21 Thread Matt Liotta
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. We have deployed a number of Redline 3.65 radios. Which UL radio provides more payload in a single

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2008-04-21 Thread Gino Villarini
Scott Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Holy bat guano robin. I was hoping these things would be a good filler for the smaller areas. Do they have a down up ratio adjust to make them symmetrical for BH use? Any range data? Can they do Canopy ranges? - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini

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2008-04-21 Thread Patrick Leary
] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future We see 10Mbps FDX with iperf in 7Mhz channels on the Redline gear. For those who pay attention, this is a layer 3 test over 802.1q with 1500 MTU using a 5ms TDD. Oh yeah

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2008-04-21 Thread Matt Liotta
] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future We see 10Mbps FDX with iperf in 7Mhz channels on the Redline gear. For those who pay attention, this is a layer 3 test over 802.1q with 1500 MTU using a 5ms TDD. Oh yeah

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2008-04-21 Thread Brad Belton
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Of course it would Chuck. But in the case of Canopy speeds being higher, that is strictly because it uses 4x the channel (20 MHz for the Canopy vs. 5 MHz for 2.5 GHz WiMAX). By the way, the VL would in turn smoke the Canopy and do it in the same channel size

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