Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
GPS :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Any Wimax based Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Pretty sure redline does also. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
I can confirm Redline can use GPS. Jeremie Chism wrote: Pretty sure redline does also. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Tranzeo just announced GPS for their 5.8 Wimax. On 6/14/2010 10:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ As knowledge increases, the verdict of yesterday must be reversed today, and in the long run the most positive authority is the least to be trusted. - Hugh Nibley WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Gentlemen, All of our WiMAX TDD equipment comes with standard GPS synchronization. US options are 3.65 and 5GHz. It helps us to mitigate far and near co-channel interference Best regards Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company T: +1 (804) 864-4125 M: +1 (440) 220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com mailto:afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com http://www.axxcelera.com From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: June 14, 2010 11:19:42 AM CDT To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS. -Eic On 6/14/2010 11:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS. 802.16d FDD gear (like one from Alvarion) doesn't require GPS if memory serves me right... 802.16d/e TDD systems are very likely to have GPS. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so. Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be synchronized. So colocated APs will never be receiving while another is transmitting, avoiding self-interference. However, SMs receiving from a transmitting AP cluster must have enough separation between APs transmitting on the same frequency so that the signal from the desired AP is above the minimum SNR for the given modulation (10 dB for 2x mode) when compared to another AP transmitting on the same frequency. This can be achieved with a standard Canopy AP module by placing them back to back--the front/back ratio on the antennas provides more than 10 dB isolation. But a SM placed at the edge of two 60 degree sectors wouldn't have nearly enough isolation between the two sectors if they were running on the same frequency to maintain an acceptable SNR. So in short, you need three channels to run a standard 6 AP sector GPS sync'd with Canopy. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct? (others disagree) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
That's what I thought you'd need and would happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:50 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so. Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be synchronized. So colocated APs will never be receiving while another is transmitting, avoiding self-interference. However, SMs receiving from a transmitting AP cluster must have enough separation between APs transmitting on the same frequency so that the signal from the desired AP is above the minimum SNR for the given modulation (10 dB for 2x mode) when compared to another AP transmitting on the same frequency. This can be achieved with a standard Canopy AP module by placing them back to back--the front/back ratio on the antennas provides more than 10 dB isolation. But a SM placed at the edge of two 60 degree sectors wouldn't have nearly enough isolation between the two sectors if they were running on the same frequency to maintain an acceptable SNR. So in short, you need three channels to run a standard 6 AP sector GPS sync'd with Canopy. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Correst On 06/14/2010 01:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct? (others disagree) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
