RE: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-03 Thread chris cooper
The novelty of 
it all (being a WISP) tends to wear off after about 5 years, eventually
it 
becomes about the money.

It should always be about the money.  You have to think about your
business as a separate being.  You do whatever you need to make that
critter grow and be healthy. Your first goal is to stay in business.
Your second goal should be returning shareholder value, even if you are
the only shareholder. You've taken risk, either with your own or someone
else's money.  The investor should receive a return on that investment
well above market rates to reflect the level of risk. As Tom has said
here before, we are in the sales business. Wireless is the service we
are selling. Don't get too caught up in the me vs. the big guys
argument.  Don't fall in love with the technology. Make your business
healthy, show strong ROI and when the time is right, make the right
move. Sooner or later the bigger operators will come along just because
their model holds up better than an independent operator.  They can
achieve great economies of scale, have wider reach and deeper pockets to
invest in people, marketing and technology.  Why bang your head against
the wall trying to figure out how to beat them when it is much more
productive spending that time making yourself so invaluable that they
have to take you out to get what you have.  If you examine the trends in
various communications technologies over the last 30 years- paging,
cellular, dial-up IP- they have all followed consolidation models.  The
small operator got in first, got a license where needed, hammered out a
territory and started adding customers.  Eventually, someone wanted
those customers and that territory.  For the operators that understood
the timing and opportunity equation there was money on the table.
Eventually the big operators buy enough territory and market share. Then
they can settle down to the business of getting more $$ out of this
larger customer base.  When this happens the deal making can cool off
pretty quickly.  If you are still in the game at this point your
valuation can decline rapidly. Always leave the dance while you are
still having fun.

chris




I think what you are going to find is that the big WISP isn't going to
be 
able to come to town and bully everybody. Instead, they are going to
have to 
fork over the cash or not be competitive and secure themselves.



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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-03 Thread Jeromie Reeves

Quote from another email:

Lately? Nope not yet. It took them some time before they got in the Ma 
Bell's faces too. I (and others) are
trying to stop it before it happens, not try and live with it when it 
does. There is NO sector where the government
has steeped in that things really got better in the long run. Look at 
telcom, we are back to 3 super players and

a handful of once large ones trying to hang on. 

Pete Davis said the same thing but with much better words. I was saying 
I had tried to say it but not as well.


Jeromie

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


Please explain what your talking about with the Moto.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to 
be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do
not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. 
Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thing part-15

knows.

Jeromie

Pete Davis wrote:

 

The faster it becomes a fundamental human right the faster we 
migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as
   



 

water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup,  postal workers, and 
whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the 
worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a 
required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then 
there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with 
prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will 
take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the 
250 phone companies that all became ATT in the first part of the 
1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition.
   



 


Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say.

Pete Davis
NoDial.net

chris cooper wrote:

   


Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a fundamental human
 


right?
 


That's just grandstanding.  Take a hit from the reality pipe- people
 


are
 


homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA.  The
list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are
 


not
 


being met.  Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what
 


the
 


service costs. I wish they were though.

Chris




 


Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right, Bill de
   
   

Blasio,  

 


a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday.

   
   



 
 

   



 



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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-03 Thread Peter R.

News flash for you:

 This is where we are today. RBOCs and MSOs control the last mile. 
Neither has to share.


WISPs, BPL, and Muni projects will be the 3rd pipe. (I don't count 
cellular because that is RBOC).


Pete Davis wrote:

Think that's not bad for the entrepreneurs? Try starting a water 
company that competes with the city's water system. Or a power 
company. Or a 1st class mail delivery service. I don't think I can get 
$12/hr union workers to hand-deliver mail to houses for $0.39/letter 
and make a profit.


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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Rick Smith

Why is that GOOD news ?  Or Getting it Right ?

This, to me, is BAD news - the city will pump $$$ into Verizon to wire 
everyone up, spending MORE tax $$$ on monopolistic power...


Peter R. wrote:

Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right, Bill de 
Blasio, a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday.


http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/nyc-moves-closer-to-broadband-plan.html 




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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Tom DeReggi

I did not read the arcticle yet but...

Yes it is infact a right for someone to get it. But its not necessarilly an 
obligation for someone specific to provide it.
The problem is that the majority of the people screaming for it, are the 
ones not willing to pay for it.
There is not a shortage of providers willing to deploy services, there are a 
shortage of people willing to pay what it costs to provide it to those areas 
that have a higher cost to provide it in.

There are 7000 ISPs around the country ready to take that grant money.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right


Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right, Bill de Blasio, 
a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday.


http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/nyc-moves-closer-to-broadband-plan.html

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RE: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread chris cooper
Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a fundamental human right?
That's just grandstanding.  Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are
homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA.  The
list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not
being met.  Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the
service costs. I wish they were though.

Chris


 Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right, Bill de
Blasio, 
 a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday.



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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Jory Privett
Give it to me!  I can move faster and more efficient then any phone company. 
I think we  all can!

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right


I did not read the arcticle yet but...

Yes it is infact a right for someone to get it. But its not necessarilly an
obligation for someone specific to provide it.
The problem is that the majority of the people screaming for it, are the
ones not willing to pay for it.
There is not a shortage of providers willing to deploy services, there are a
shortage of people willing to pay what it costs to provide it to those areas
that have a higher cost to provide it in.
There are 7000 ISPs around the country ready to take that grant money.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right


 Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right, Bill de Blasio,
 a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday.

 http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/nyc-moves-closer-to-broadband-plan.html

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 We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm


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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Pete Davis
The faster it becomes a fundamental human right the faster we migrate 
from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as water 
workers, sewer workers, trash pickup,  postal workers, and whatever. The 
more the government gets involved with something, the worse it gets. 
When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a required service 
(which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then there will be no 
difference than a utility or postal service, with prices capped and 
profitability extinguished. Another thing that will take us this 
direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the 250 phone 
companies that all became ATT in the first part of the 1900's. They all 
were either bought up or squashed by the competition. Maybe we won't all 
end up like that. Hard to say.


Pete Davis
NoDial.net

chris cooper wrote:

Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a fundamental human right?
That's just grandstanding.  Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are
homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA.  The
list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not
being met.  Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the
service costs. I wish they were though.

Chris


  

Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right, Bill de

Blasio, 
  

a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday.





  


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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to 
be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do
not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. 
Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thing part-15

knows.

Jeromie

Pete Davis wrote:

The faster it becomes a fundamental human right the faster we 
migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as 
water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup,  postal workers, and 
whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the 
worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a 
required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then 
there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with 
prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will 
take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the 
250 phone companies that all became ATT in the first part of the 
1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition. 
Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say.


Pete Davis
NoDial.net

chris cooper wrote:


Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a fundamental human right?
That's just grandstanding.  Take a hit from the reality pipe- people are
homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA.  The
list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are not
being met.  Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what the
service costs. I wish they were though.

Chris


 


Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right, Bill de



Blasio,  


a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday.






  





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RE: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Please explain what your talking about with the Moto.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to 
be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do
not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. 
Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thing part-15
knows.

Jeromie

Pete Davis wrote:

 The faster it becomes a fundamental human right the faster we 
 migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as

 water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup,  postal workers, and 
 whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the 
 worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a 
 required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then 
 there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with 
 prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will 
 take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the 
 250 phone companies that all became ATT in the first part of the 
 1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition.

 Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say.

 Pete Davis
 NoDial.net

 chris cooper wrote:

 Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a fundamental human
right?
 That's just grandstanding.  Take a hit from the reality pipe- people
are
 homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA.  The
 list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are
not
 being met.  Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what
the
 service costs. I wish they were though.

 Chris


  

 Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right, Bill de
 

 Blasio,  

 a city council member, said during the session on Wednesday.

 



   



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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Tom DeReggi

I disagree with that.

Consolidation is likely, but not because of hostile takeover, but because 
WISPs will likely want to cash out to reduce risk or realize they can make 
more money with the help of others and not all by themselves. The novelty of 
it all (being a WISP) tends to wear off after about 5 years, eventually it 
becomes about the money.


What people forget is that unlicensed isn't like every other ISP business 
that can be controled by volume and brute force. The small WISPs have as 
much punch and disruptive force as the big WISP, because a radio generates 
the same amount of noise and coverage, regardless of who owns it, the big or 
little WISP.  In WISP land the one with the strategic advantage is the first 
entry, that has the best assets procured and preferred customers. Once that 
is had, the big boys need to buy you, or not get in the game. Its almost 
like having 7000 little terrorists (small WISPs) running all over the place, 
exept they are nice people. The big WISP knows that your Noise from your 
radio to serve your two customer, will kill him and prevent him from selling 
to his thousand.


I think what you are going to find is that the big WISP isn't going to be 
able to come to town and bully everybody. Instead, they are going to have to 
fork over the cash or not be competitive and secure themselves.


The only exception to this is the FREE Net / Muni Net. Big ventures need big 
companies and big pockets. MOst likely that problem will take care of 
itself. First, consumers hate marketing and SPAM. Do you think they are 
going to embrase the solution that guarantees they are going to get spammed 
and chewed their productivity and bandwdith up with advertising crap? The 
false promise designs, are going to piss off the consumers. I think it jsut 
won;lt succeed enough to be a threat. The best part is the new 5.4Ghz 
spectrum allocated. It will allow a HUGE larger amount of options to 
co-exist with Muni nets and other ISPs.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:33 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right



Please explain what your talking about with the Moto.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 8:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed to
be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do
not like it and can only try and fight it but I have no idea how.
Hopefully wispa knows the direction as i do not thing part-15
knows.

Jeromie

Pete Davis wrote:


The faster it becomes a fundamental human right the faster we
migrate from being entrepreneurs, and start becoming the same level as



water workers, sewer workers, trash pickup,  postal workers, and
whatever. The more the government gets involved with something, the
worse it gets. When the bureaucrats get to making things like this a
required service (which they inevitably will in our lifetimes) then
there will be no difference than a utility or postal service, with
prices capped and profitability extinguished. Another thing that will
take us this direction will be the mass consolidation similar to the
250 phone companies that all became ATT in the first part of the
1900's. They all were either bought up or squashed by the competition.



Maybe we won't all end up like that. Hard to say.

Pete Davis
NoDial.net

chris cooper wrote:


Not to shoot myself in the foot here, but a fundamental human

right?

That's just grandstanding.  Take a hit from the reality pipe- people

are

homeless, people starve to death right here in the good ole USA.  The
list could go on and on about folks whose basic needs and rights are

not

being met.  Im with Tom- many people just aren't willing to pay what

the

service costs. I wish they were though.

Chris





Broadband is a fundamental civil right and human right, Bill de



Blasio,


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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Peter R.

Jeromie Reeves wrote:

I said the same thing on the moto wireless list. We are being pushed 
to be eaten by the larger wisps or closed down. I do not like it and 
can only try and fight it but I have no idea how. Hopefully wispa 
knows the direction as i do not thin(k) part-15 knows.


Jeromie


Want the answer?











Innovate. Re-Invent. Be Remarkable.

OTOH, selling just connectivity will be utilitarian in a very short time.

Don't like change? You will like irrelevance even less.

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Peter R.

It is Grand Standing, but the Federal Gov't has said they we have a
Broadband policy - and we have all met that beast.

Affordable broadband is an economic necessity for communities.
(Lots of studies published in Broadband Properties mag to back that up).
When you are competing for every dollar, every job, globally, people in
the US are at a disadvantage.

Again, it is more about BB Penetration than deployment. And BB
Penetration has 2 keys: a price point for people to get it and a
compelling REASON.
http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/bb-penetration-not-deployment.html

NYC is talking about adding a 3rd pipe. An alternative. Without real 
competition, you do not get innovation nor price reductions.


Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Peter R.

It is Grand Standing, but the Federal Gov't has said they we have a
Broadband policy - and we have all met that beast.

Affordable broadband is an economic necessity for communities.
(Lots of studies published in Broadband Properties mag to back that up).
When you are competing for every dollar, every job, globally, people in
the US are at a disadvantage.

Again, it is more about BB Penetration than deployment. And BB
Penetration has 2 keys: a price point for people to get it and a
compelling REASON.
http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2006/03/bb-penetration-not-deployment.html

Regards,

Peter
RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
We Help ISPs Connect  Communicate
813.963.5884
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Re: [WISPA] Gov't Gets One Right

2006-03-02 Thread Pete Davis

Tom DeReggi wrote:
The only exception to this is the FREE Net / Muni Net. Big ventures 
need big companies and big pockets. MOst likely that problem will take 
care of itself. First, consumers hate marketing and SPAM. Do you think 
they are going to embrase the solution that guarantees they are going 
to get spammed and chewed their productivity and bandwdith up with 
advertising crap? The false promise designs, are going to piss off the 
consumers. I think it jsut won;lt succeed enough to be a threat. The 
best part is the new 5.4Ghz spectrum allocated. It will allow a HUGE 
larger amount of options to co-exist with Muni nets and other ISPs.


I agree strongly with your post, with the possible long-term coexistence 
with muni-nets. I see a problem fundamentally with municipally and 
federally funded/managed broadband projects with virtually unlimited 
budgets and manpower. It reduces broadband to a utility that EVERYONE 
needs and the government has to give you as an entitlement. Think 
that's not bad for the entrepreneurs? Try starting a water company that 
competes with the city's water system. Or a power company. Or a 1st 
class mail delivery service. I don't think I can get $12/hr union 
workers to hand-deliver mail to houses for $0.39/letter and make a 
profit. Once those services are established as we gotta have it type 
services, and the government starts to provide it (even though they 
charge for them) there is NO room for competition in most of those 
areas. The prices for postage, electricity, and water delivery are all 
pretty much set by the providers. If most cities delivered broadband the 
way they do water, electricity and mail, the prices would be too low for 
any of us to compete on any real scale, and the WISP startup wouldn't 
exist, since the government's pockets are too deep, and they have NEVER 
needed to make a profit. Those of us who started these things started 
because of a NEED. If someone took away that need before we got here, I 
wouldn't have started here, and wouldn't be operating a WISP today. Are 
my days as an individual small wisp numbered? Yes. I am sure. The 
government and/or a monopolistic telco will eventually fill the gap that 
I am bridging right now. Hopefully AFTER I have the chance to fund a 
retirement, college for the kids, and maybe pay for a house to die in. 
Cashing out selling the business is a nice idea, and hopefully some 
greedy SOB will buy my business for enough money to make me go away, but 
thats been my exit strategy from day one, I think.

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