Re: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

2007-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett

Windows XP supports IPv6.

There is a separate IPv6 Internet.  You need to buy your IPv6 service from a 
different provider that support it.


Once I get settled and can afford the separate IPv6 feed without an 
immediate return, I'll be getting it.  Everything I have is Mikrotik and 
they should have IPv6 implemented at some point.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?



I really dread IPv6.so much more complicated.

I probably would run it, but from my understanding there is a ton of
equipment on the internet backbone that won't route it. Not to mention how
many SOHO routers and PC's are ready for it? Will your CPE support it?

And the list goes on, I foresee a mad rush for upgrades and implementation
the day v4 space is gone, and not a second before.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

With the recent announcement by ARIN to start pushing IPv6 uptake,
and the run out date of v4 is as soon as 2010, I was wondering is
anyone are here using v6 in some form or planning the switchover?

Since it is much more than renumbering customers, the needed time for
deploying it will be much longer, is your infrastructure ready for it?

http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070521-arin-its-time-to-
migrate-to-ipv6.html

Have a great evening,

Ryan
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Re: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

2007-05-25 Thread Clint Ricker

IPv6 is pretty much free to run on a play level.   In the next couple of
months, I'm planning on having some equipment up on IPv6, and I will be
happy to offer tunneling services at a near free cost (just a token amount
to avoid dealing with people who aren't really interested) to anyone who
wants to play around with it.

The basic idea is that you will be able to take a router (or a server)
capable of IPv6, give it a normal IPv4 address on your network, and tunnel
in (basically using the same concept as a VPN, sort of).  There are also
free services out there as well, albeit with nominal support.


From a few discussions I've had on this, it is good to know sooner rather

than later.  While widespread adoption is a few years away, there are
carriers who will be transitioning to IPv6 on the transit level before that
point.  It doesn't affect your ability to offer IPv4 services through them,
but, your interconnect will be IPv6, so on and so forth.

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies


On 5/25/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Windows XP supports IPv6.

There is a separate IPv6 Internet.  You need to buy your IPv6 service from
a
different provider that support it.

Once I get settled and can afford the separate IPv6 feed without an
immediate return, I'll be getting it.  Everything I have is Mikrotik and
they should have IPv6 implemented at some point.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?


I really dread IPv6.so much more complicated.

 I probably would run it, but from my understanding there is a ton of
 equipment on the internet backbone that won't route it. Not to mention
how
 many SOHO routers and PC's are ready for it? Will your CPE support it?

 And the list goes on, I foresee a mad rush for upgrades and
implementation
 the day v4 space is gone, and not a second before.

 Mike Bushard, Jr
 Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
 320-256-WISP (9477)
 320-256-9478 Fax


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
 Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:09 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

 With the recent announcement by ARIN to start pushing IPv6 uptake,
 and the run out date of v4 is as soon as 2010, I was wondering is
 anyone are here using v6 in some form or planning the switchover?

 Since it is much more than renumbering customers, the needed time for
 deploying it will be much longer, is your infrastructure ready for it?

 http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html
 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070521-arin-its-time-to-
 migrate-to-ipv6.html

 Have a great evening,

 Ryan
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Re: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

2007-05-25 Thread Mike Hammett

http://he.net/about_ipv6.html
http://us.ntt.net/products/ipv6/

There's a couple IPv6 providers.


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- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?



Windows XP supports IPv6.

There is a separate IPv6 Internet.  You need to buy your IPv6 service from 
a different provider that support it.


Once I get settled and can afford the separate IPv6 feed without an 
immediate return, I'll be getting it.  Everything I have is Mikrotik and 
they should have IPv6 implemented at some point.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?



I really dread IPv6.so much more complicated.

I probably would run it, but from my understanding there is a ton of
equipment on the internet backbone that won't route it. Not to mention 
how

many SOHO routers and PC's are ready for it? Will your CPE support it?

And the list goes on, I foresee a mad rush for upgrades and 
implementation

the day v4 space is gone, and not a second before.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

With the recent announcement by ARIN to start pushing IPv6 uptake,
and the run out date of v4 is as soon as 2010, I was wondering is
anyone are here using v6 in some form or planning the switchover?

Since it is much more than renumbering customers, the needed time for
deploying it will be much longer, is your infrastructure ready for it?

http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070521-arin-its-time-to-
migrate-to-ipv6.html

Have a great evening,

Ryan
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Re: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

2007-05-25 Thread David E. Smith
Mike Hammett wrote:

 There is a separate IPv6 Internet.  You need to buy your IPv6 service
 from a different provider that support it.

If you can find one :(

There's a few places (Hurricane Electric, SixXS, OCCAID) that are more
or less involved in IPv6 stuff, but they generally only work by way of
tunneling.

There's also the issue of network gear that supports it. In the next few
days, I'm deploying a brand new core router that we just paid about
three large for (brand name intentionally left blank, but it's a big
enough company that you've probably heard of 'em). As near as I can
tell, it doesn't support IPv6 in any form or fashion.

 Once I get settled and can afford the separate IPv6 feed without an
 immediate return, I'll be getting it.  Everything I have is Mikrotik and
 they should have IPv6 implemented at some point.

For small-scale experiments and such, this should be nearly (or totally)
free. I've had an IPv6 tunnel on my desktop for a couple years now.
Never used it for anything besides looking at the dancing turtle,
really, but it's there. If you don't feel like getting a direct IPv6
allocation from ARIN (assuming you already get direct IPv4 allocations
from them), SixXS can set you up with a small chunk of addresses, more
than enough to play around with, and unless it's changed very recently
they'll do this for free.

As an aside:

http://www.ipv6experiment.com/ -- THIS is the way to promote IPv6 ;)

David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

2007-05-25 Thread Clint Ricker

I definitely would recommend learning it or at least getting familiar with
it.  There is not enough on it yet to transition your entire network over to
it, but, it is definitely doable for transit within your network and
replacement for private IPs for your customers.

Not that any of these are marketable--yet.  However, three or four years
down the line, I think that you'll start seeing this as creeping into
transit connections as well as requested by some business customers; for the
latter, being able to say yeah, we've been doing that for 4 years instead
of I think I can learn that by the time your circuit is provisioned is a
good thing :)

David, would you mind contacting me off-list (or on) with the name/model of
the router that doesn't support IPv6?  I work as a consultant for a company
that fits the description, so I'm kinda curious--most of the stuff out there
can support IPv6 (well, in the core router category).

As mentioned, there are a number of free tunnel connections; these are
useful for playing, although keep in mind that you don't own the space or
the connection--don't deploy anything serious on it.  (Although, as a side
note, usually the small chunk of addresses, at least through HE.net, is
18,446,774,073,709,551,616 IP addresses (/64). ie 1.84x10^19 !)  You can
also get a block for free from ARIN if you pay your dues regularly; I
believe that renewal is also free if you have an IPV4 block through them.
BTW, if you don't have your own ARIN block, you definitely should strongly
consider getting one.  $2000-4000 / year is a small price to pay for having
provider independent IP space and the freedom to switch carriers at will
without having to worry about transitioning.

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

On 5/25/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Mike Hammett wrote:

 There is a separate IPv6 Internet.  You need to buy your IPv6 service
 from a different provider that support it.

If you can find one :(

There's a few places (Hurricane Electric, SixXS, OCCAID) that are more
or less involved in IPv6 stuff, but they generally only work by way of
tunneling.

There's also the issue of network gear that supports it. In the next few
days, I'm deploying a brand new core router that we just paid about
three large for (brand name intentionally left blank, but it's a big
enough company that you've probably heard of 'em). As near as I can
tell, it doesn't support IPv6 in any form or fashion.

 Once I get settled and can afford the separate IPv6 feed without an
 immediate return, I'll be getting it.  Everything I have is Mikrotik and
 they should have IPv6 implemented at some point.

For small-scale experiments and such, this should be nearly (or totally)
free. I've had an IPv6 tunnel on my desktop for a couple years now.
Never used it for anything besides looking at the dancing turtle,
really, but it's there. If you don't feel like getting a direct IPv6
allocation from ARIN (assuming you already get direct IPv4 allocations
from them), SixXS can set you up with a small chunk of addresses, more
than enough to play around with, and unless it's changed very recently
they'll do this for free.

As an aside:

http://www.ipv6experiment.com/ -- THIS is the way to promote IPv6 ;)

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

2007-05-24 Thread Mike Bushard, Jr
I really dread IPv6.so much more complicated.

I probably would run it, but from my understanding there is a ton of
equipment on the internet backbone that won't route it. Not to mention how
many SOHO routers and PC's are ready for it? Will your CPE support it?

And the list goes on, I foresee a mad rush for upgrades and implementation
the day v4 space is gone, and not a second before.

Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] IPv6 - anyone using it?

With the recent announcement by ARIN to start pushing IPv6 uptake,  
and the run out date of v4 is as soon as 2010, I was wondering is  
anyone are here using v6 in some form or planning the switchover?

Since it is much more than renumbering customers, the needed time for  
deploying it will be much longer, is your infrastructure ready for it?

http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070521-arin-its-time-to- 
migrate-to-ipv6.html

Have a great evening,

Ryan
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