Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
I'm with you on that. I take most any opportunity to do a trade when we can both benefit from it. I want to use the water tower and they want a wireless link. In the long run, the use of the tower will surpass the value of that link. Their short term savings is my long term gain. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser Stop giving money away. Stop putting your local government in a possition to have to spend MORE money. Stop passing up chances to work as a team. The city that we work with on this trades us for water tower space. They spend no money and neither do we. It works out perfectly. We are the entrepreneurs guys, don't pass up an opportunity to do cool things for people just because someone else can already do it. We can give them higher speeds at lower prices. marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
If you are working with law enforcement, they generraly need FIPs compliance on anything that touches their network. John -Original Message- From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:05 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net, ''WISPA General List'' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser Yeah, that's the part I was leery of when he asked. I knew there were some sort of safeguards that had to be followed and I'm totally green in that area. We've done a few medical sites that had to be HIPPA compliant and it wasn't such a big deal but I hate messing with the cops. They have other ways to complain other than not paying an invoice. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up to the National Crime Computers. A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and crime networks Just FYI -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up to the National Crime Computers. A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and crime networks Just FYI -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
Yeah, that's the part I was leery of when he asked. I knew there were some sort of safeguards that had to be followed and I'm totally green in that area. We've done a few medical sites that had to be HIPPA compliant and it wasn't such a big deal but I hate messing with the cops. They have other ways to complain other than not paying an invoice. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up to the National Crime Computers. A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and crime networks Just FYI -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
air cards are a good option as well... usually having them attached to a laptop requires vpn or other encryption software on the laptop which is a bit problematic in real world scenarios ive seen. I would recommend taking air card, plugging it directly into mikrotik router and having mikrotik router at police hq (or wherever that it) and attaching the mikrotik in the cruiser to the laptop with ethernet. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser What about the air card? I would assume that the aircard service fee isn't being paid by the state? That would be the ideal situation but this town Very political. I know there would be a fight over who had access to it and when and anything else they could fight over. But I;; write that down as an option to go over with them. One never knows. Ruggedized dells.. A far cry from this nasty Acer laptops from Wal-Mart. But they are worth the price they are paying for them, free. Thanks for the idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
Yeah. We would dump this right in their lap and outline that the system is strictly for transporting data. Data security is their responsibility. We do the same thing in the banking and health care industry. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:05:05 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser Yeah, that's the part I was leery of when he asked. I knew there were some sort of safeguards that had to be followed and I'm totally green in that area. We've done a few medical sites that had to be HIPPA compliant and it wasn't such a big deal but I hate messing with the cops. They have other ways to complain other than not paying an invoice. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up to the National Crime Computers. A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and crime networks Just FYI -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
